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Paradise 00City-State00
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Founded: Dec 21, 2022
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Postby Paradise 00City-State00 » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:24 pm

Syndicalist Autonomy wrote:Syndicalist Autonomies WA Ambassador, Speaker Rhea Curran, seems unamused at the proposal. They receive a message on their phone and take the podium*

Esteemed Ambassadors, people of the World, our time is rather priceless so I will keep this short: my constituents paid a sum for me to be here to give our response to this proposal, as I'm sure most of yours have as well. To accuse an entire region on the basis of misinformation of political identities is arrogant at best and blatant and malicious unprofessionalism at worst. Worse still, the fact that this was allowed to come to the floor on a baseless assumption of dictatorship and Nazism--infamously a right-wing policy--is an insult to our constituents, and in nations with libertarian policies such as the Autonomies, is manipulation with the intent to control or conform.

Let's not kid ourselves, folks--this decision was dead before it hit the floor and the disrespect we have shown our people with entertaining it is embarrassing enough. I stand before you not as a person of great political power. I have a day job as a theoretical physicist. Our sortition policy requires a new appointee every year and all of our decisions are held to vote. The People of the Free Land of Syndicalist Autonomy addresses the chamber floor and our response is Nay.

They return to their seat, grumbling about billing the proposer for the travel expenses.


The Based Ambassador of Paradise approaches him on a pee break. "We could like, rideshare back to our countries, and split the cost, saving money" he timidly says.

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Postby Soviet Union 2100 RP » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:29 pm

Damn this one is getting blown out of the water. More sad and lazy than anything really.

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Postby Syndicalist Autonomy » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:53 pm

Paradise 00City-State00 wrote:
Syndicalist Autonomy wrote:Syndicalist Autonomies WA Ambassador, Speaker Rhea Curran, seems unamused at the proposal. They receive a message on their phone and take the podium*

Esteemed Ambassadors, people of the World, our time is rather priceless so I will keep this short: my constituents paid a sum for me to be here to give our response to this proposal, as I'm sure most of yours have as well. To accuse an entire region on the basis of misinformation of political identities is arrogant at best and blatant and malicious unprofessionalism at worst. Worse still, the fact that this was allowed to come to the floor on a baseless assumption of dictatorship and Nazism--infamously a right-wing policy--is an insult to our constituents, and in nations with libertarian policies such as the Autonomies, is manipulation with the intent to control or conform.

Let's not kid ourselves, folks--this decision was dead before it hit the floor and the disrespect we have shown our people with entertaining it is embarrassing enough. I stand before you not as a person of great political power. I have a day job as a theoretical physicist. Our sortition policy requires a new appointee every year and all of our decisions are held to vote. The People of the Free Land of Syndicalist Autonomy addresses the chamber floor and our response is Nay.

They return to their seat, grumbling about billing the proposer for the travel expenses.


The Based Ambassador of Paradise approaches him on a pee break. "We could like, rideshare back to our countries, and split the cost, saving money" he timidly says.


The Speaker types into their phone and awaits approval. "We approve of Uber over Lyft if that is acceptable to your Excellency."

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Postby Of Gaia » Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:48 pm

The Acolyte Confederacy wrote:We ban far right nazism, ultranationalism, etc. but we let far leftists actively collect in a region. im not one of those conspiracy "THEM MODS ARE COMMIES AAAAAAAAA" nuts, but i feel like if far right stuff is banned, there should also be far left stuff banned too.

no im not a nazi, im a libertarian social democrat.

A delegate dressed in an elegant suit embroidered with gleaming metals, steel, titanium, aluminum, gold, and other useful materials steps forwards.

"As Ambassador from the Galactic People's Republic We find this statement incredibly bizarre. My comrades and I on the so called "Far Left" are united by one ideal. That people should be able to live freely and reap the profit of their toil. And that said profit is used for the betterment of all, and not the few. Our various ideologies may disagree on the path to get to that ideal, but the rights of the many is the basis of our beliefs.

It is inconceivable to compare these ideals with those of bigotry, hatred, and exclusion from those on the furthest extreme of the right. These are beliefs that people should be considered lesser, restrained, and trampled upon because of their race, sexuality, or religion. The far right seeks to concentrate power and wealth in the hands of the few, and such policies inevitably invite conflict as those few jostle for evermore power.

Working people of the assembly take notice. Those who support such a condemnation do so because they fear your strength! That the existence of a successful socialist project proves the chains of capital are wholly unnecessary.

Of course, being a member of the region in question, the Galactic People's Republic has voted to vote Against the resolution at hand." With that the Ambassador returns to their seat.

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Postby Free Collectives » Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:52 pm

WA Ambassador Representative Andreas Fysch approaches the podium to deliver the decision of the The Administrative Zone of Free Collectives

Fellow Ambassadors, the people of the Free Collectives would like to disagree with the nature of this condemnation. To blatantly and ignorantly claim that The Communist Bloc and its democratically elected administration is in any way akin to the National Socialist movement in Germany during the 1930's to 40's is preposterous and downright authoritarian. This is little more than a misguided and malicious attempt to misinform the general public about an oft misunderstood political ideology and paint it to be a thing feared no matter the context of its character. There is a plethora of examples of successfully democratic Polities in The Communist Bloc, my peoples included. We are proud of our anarchist traditions and as my nations elected Representative, I am proud to announce our decision to vote against this proposal--the Free Collectives say Nay.

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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:32 pm

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Watermelon wrote:This is related to this draft, but also my other drafts as well.

After comments made by other authors, I am resigning from the WA and, in general, quitting NationStates. Goodbye.


wait, you mean this whole proposal wasn't an extended joke? you seriously thought it was good?

I have personally never seen anyone grenade their own career on a badge hunt. I think I can finally say after all these years, that I have finally seen it all.....
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Postby Nastorordia » Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:07 am

As a WA representative and citizen of The Communist Bloc I am outraged that someone would claim such things about us, because anyone with a basic understanding of socialism could immediately tell this guy has no idea what they are talking about when their opening statement calls us "leftist nazis".

It is stated very clearly in the first article of our constitution that we oppose any fascist and other hateful right-wing ideologies, as they fundamentally oppose what we leftists stand for.

Here are the direct quotes from our constitution and our state laws in which we show that not only are we NOT FASCISTS, but we are completely opposed to any ideologies that fall under that umbrella:

TCB Constitution, Article I, Section IV
"Any region within The Communist Bloc shall be emphatically anti-fascist and opposed to all forms of that ideology."

TCB Code of law (aka rules), Section I, Article I
" 1. Don't be rightwing or fascist. Do not make posts intentionally spreading ideas you know are rightwing or fascist. Do not theme your nation after rightwing or fascist symbols. Right-wingers and fascists are immediately banned."


Furthermore, i would like to point out that delegate watermelon's claims of TCB's council having a "dictatorial regime under its citizens, who are forbidden from criticizing them." this claim not only baseless, but completely mistaken, as The TCB people's council is not only democratically elected, which disproves the claim of it being a dictatorship. Furthermore, political discussion and freedom of speech is not only encouraged within TCB, but it's once again protected by our laws and constitution, which allow all member nations of TCB to openly speak in the council or discuss political ideologies in an educated and respectful manner

Here are the quotes from our constitution and our code of law:

[i] TCB Constitution, Article II, Sections II-IV
(2) All citizens and residents are entitled to the freedom of speech, expression, the press, belief, dissent, thought, conscience, opinion, information, assembly, association, safety and security, religion, freedom from cruel/degrading punishment, from arbitrary detention/exile, and freedom to leave and return, unless such freedoms mentioned above intend to defame, discriminate, spread far-right, fascist, and other bigoted and reactionary views, or subvert the rights of any individual(s) within The Communist Bloc. All citizens shall have the inviolable right to privacy without a legal warrant issued with probable cause from the judiciary.

(3) Citizens shall have the right to vote and run in elections for public offices, and shall not be disenfranchised unless the judiciary rules as such. The judiciary may only disenfranchise citizens if they have been found seriously violating regional law or violating the rights of another citizen transcribed and not transcribed herein.

(4) All citizens and residents have the right to equal protection of the law without prejudice or discrimination; in particular, no law or citizen may discriminate against another citizen on the basis of race, color, nationality, ethnicity, national or ethnic origin, citizenship, religion, sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions), gender, gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, ancestry, age, physical ability, mental ability, medical condition, genetic information, family care status, legal status, marital status, or domestic partner status. No citizen may harass another on any basis.


TCB Code of Law, Article I, Section III
3. No sectarianism. TCB is a pan-leftist region, meaning that we accept any and all leftists. It's okay to disagree with someone, but it is not okay to insult them. Discuss the idea, but never attack the person behind it.


TCB Code of Law, Article IV, Sections I-III
1. Seriously, no sectarianism. It cannot be overstressed that we are a pan-leftist region. You can disagree with an ideology, but do not attack or mock someone for believing in that ideology. You can disagree with an idea, but do not attack or mock the person believing in that idea. We're all on the same team here.

2. Stay calm. The goal of a political discussion is to share viewpoints, consider new ideas, and further our knowledge as leftists in a space away from rightwing influence. Political discussions should be interesting, not frustrating. If a political discussion is upsetting you, please step away. If someone else expresses that they would like to step away from a discussion, let them.

3. Encourage an educational environment. We accept leftists with all levels of knowledge. Ask for help when there's something you don't understand, and provide help when there's something another user doesn't understand. Feel free to share educational resources or ask others to share educational resources with you.
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With this said, and my evidence provided, i hope that my fellow delegates in the Security Council have gained a better understanding on how TCB is ran and how its citizens are treated, and that they will manage to put aside their prejudices on socialist nations to vote against this resolution, put forward by someone who clearly has done little to no research on the region they are trying to condemn.
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Paradise 00City-State00
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Postby Paradise 00City-State00 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:58 am

Syndicalist Autonomy wrote:
Paradise 00City-State00 wrote:
The Based Ambassador of Paradise approaches him on a pee break. "We could like, rideshare back to our countries, and split the cost, saving money" he timidly says.


The Speaker types into their phone and awaits approval. "We approve of Uber over Lyft if that is acceptable to your Excellency."


“This is acceptable” Says the Based Ambassador of Paradise, happy to have reached a agreement.

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Postby Pacifortania » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:49 pm

The WA Representative of the Kingdom of Pacifortania rises from his seat, and would look utterly confused by the pure idiocracy of the proposal in question

"Upon reviewing this so called, resolution, I am utterly confused as to how this even managed to make it's way through to this level of significance. There are many flaws with the resolution, to the point where there are no actual clear reasoning to even construct such a thing. As the resolution states, "Absolutely despising the infamous region known as The Communist Bloc, which shall be known as TCB throughout this proposal, for its malicious stances and shenanigans." This is ofcourse, an immediate red flag, as it shows that the resolution was made, not only with ill intent in mind, but with an astonishing amount of bias. Not only this, but the writer then proceeds to compare Nazism, to TCB, which is ridiculous in all ways. The resolution also states that TCB is a raider region, which may be true, but the resolution shows no evidence to back up it's claim, leaving it null and void. as I quote, "Revealing TCB's classification of themselves as a raider region, a classification that they deny publicly yet privately confirm,Furious over the region's cooperation with horrible organizations despised by the Security Council,Concerned over TCB's dictatorial rule on its citizens, who are forbidden to criticize them."
As thus, Pacifortania, of course, casts her vote as against this ridiculous, and childish, resolution. It is a shame this resolution made it to such significance.
Signed, The Kingdom of Pacifortania

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Postby Repreteop » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:54 pm

all this does is support their cause and make them want to do worse.

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Postby Cedoria » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:56 am

I could vote for this just because it's funny, but the problem is I think the standards of jokes hasn't yet fallen so low that this resolution would meet the threshold to be counted.

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Postby Holy Patagonia » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:14 am

Representative Victoria Pokes, heir-apparent to the Holy Patagonian throne and Holy Patagonian representative to the World Assembly, approaches the podium.

"Fellow representatives, I shall keep this short, for this not much to say on the matter. Due to the poorly worded, vague nature of this resolution, it is clear the sole reason for proposing it is for ideological reasons. For that reason, Holy Patagonia is firmly against this resolution. By accepting this into law, the World Assembly would be practicing the same form of ideological suppression that it accuses the Communist Bloc of. We encourage all World Assembly member nations who support the right of national self-determination to strike down this proposition."

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Postby Portzania » Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:39 am

Even though this is poorly written and completely wrong in some instances, support because condemning TCB is funny
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Postby Ikania » Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:21 pm

In this day and age, it’s fashionable to vote against condemnations of raider regions, as it serves to give them undue recognition. To vote “for” might be seen as a badge of honour. Furthermore, I don’t think this resolution is adequately written in a way that highlights the many problematic aspects of TCB. Giving them the badge isn’t worth our time, and calling their ideology a “leftist form of Nazism” is going a little too far. I would much rather see player-led efforts to blacklist communist regions (to be specific, Marxists of the authoritarian persuasion e.g. Marxism-Leninism and Maoism) and their toxic ideology the same way we do with Nazis, or even push for a site wide ban on advocacy of such ideals, the hallmarks of which range from genocide denial to loud and clear support for mass murder. The World Assembly, a primarily in-character body, is not the best tool to do this with, so I will vote against this resolution.
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Postby Bovad » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:07 pm

Ikania wrote:In this day and age, it’s fashionable to vote against condemnations of raider regions, as it serves to give them undue recognition. To vote “for” might be seen as a badge of honour. Furthermore, I don’t think this resolution is adequately written in a way that highlights the many problematic aspects of TCB. Giving them the badge isn’t worth our time, and calling their ideology a “leftist form of Nazism” is going a little too far. I would much rather see player-led efforts to blacklist communist regions (to be specific, Marxists of the authoritarian persuasion e.g. Marxism-Leninism and Maoism) and their toxic ideology the same way we do with Nazis, or even push for a site wide ban on advocacy of such ideals, the hallmarks of which range from genocide denial to loud and clear support for mass murder. The World Assembly, a primarily in-character body, is not the best tool to do this with, so I will vote against this resolution.

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Postby Regnum Alea Spaceflee » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:08 pm

Why is this even still up.
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Postby American Rockies » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:52 pm

Big support here. Communism is no less evil than nazism, and cannot be excused because of their hate of nazism.

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Postby Concrete Slab » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:12 pm

"Condemn The Communist Bloc" was defeated 13,410 votes to 2,623.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:24 pm

Concrete Slab wrote:"Condemn The Communist Bloc" was defeated 13,410 votes to 2,623.

And good riddance.
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Postby The Ice States » Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:32 pm

Good riddance, despite being ninjad :P

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:15 am

Concrete Slab wrote:"Condemn The Communist Bloc" was defeated 13,410 votes to 2,623.

Damn, I wanted to be able to post that. :)

Anyway good riddance to a rubbish proposal.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:02 am

If only someone had warned the author what would happen, this debacle could have been avoided...

Oh wait, everyone did warn the author. So they brought it on themself.


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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:49 am

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:16 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die.

Seeing as your "cause" netted you a ban from continuing your trend of "drafting" utter garbage, and just lost you your most recent fan, I think the "cause" has suffered plenty from your involvement. Any Condem TCB attempt will be dead on arrival for a year or more, and you can likely personally sink future ones merely by offering your support.


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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:40 am

I would like to thank everyone for what was actually a reasonably toned and on-topic debate, particularly compared to previous proposals on this topic. I don't want to push our luck though, and given how quickly previous iterations have degenerated into rulebreaking, I am going to archive this thread now.

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