I'm surprised approval raiding didn't stop the terrible liberation proposal of SECFanatics that 95% of the WA voted against when it reached quorom.
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by Outer Sparta » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:34 pm
by Honeydewistania » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:37 pm
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Jakker » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:38 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Jakker wrote: If and when quorum raiding regularly stops proposals from reaching vote, then I would say a conversation would be warranted. Until that point, there is opportunity to think through accessibility as a whole.
It works every time someone does it, and it's happening more and more often with less and less concern over the consequences to the WA game. Any asshole with 10 friends can dequeue a proposal, and we're facing that problem on a regular basis now. You just want to pretend that problem doesn't exist, because you think you're more important than any other WA player.
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by Outer Sparta » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:11 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:I'm surprised approval raiding didn't stop the terrible liberation proposal of SECFanatics that 95% of the WA voted against when it reached quorom.
Liberate SECFanatics didn’t reach quorum, it had an effective counter campaign against. Condemn Ravana on the other hand got too many approvals and no counter campaign was sent. I don’t see why approval raiding is even needed when counter campaigning exists. It doesn’t have to cost any money, it can achieve the same effect, and it doesn’t piss off legions of delegates and WA authors.
by Miss Bad Life Choices » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:47 am
Wallenburg wrote:Jakker wrote: If and when quorum raiding regularly stops proposals from reaching vote, then I would say a conversation would be warranted. Until that point, there is opportunity to think through accessibility as a whole.
It works every time someone does it, and it's happening more and more often with less and less concern over the consequences to the WA game. Any asshole with 10 friends can dequeue a proposal, and we're facing that problem on a regular basis now. You just want to pretend that problem doesn't exist, because you think you're more important than any other WA player.
by Honeydewistania » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:08 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by A Bloodred Moon » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:54 am
Honeydewistania wrote:You say that if approval raiding becomes regular it becomes a problem then - is that not a large hint that it might be, you know, bad for the WA and everyone involved?
by Honeydewistania » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:02 am
A Bloodred Moon wrote:Honeydewistania wrote:You say that if approval raiding becomes regular it becomes a problem then - is that not a large hint that it might be, you know, bad for the WA and everyone involved?
The SC is a gameplay tool, is it not? Is it therefore not logical that its opponents would use gameplay mechanics to counter it? I am unaware of any campaigns of a large scale to oppose the GA, so I do not entirely understand the objection some seem to bring forward of raiders' actions ruining the "WA game." This is, after all, a political game; isn't it sensible, then, that raiders would act to use the perfectly legal tools available to them to pursue a political agenda?
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Comfed » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:21 am
Honeydewistania wrote:A Bloodred Moon wrote:The SC is a gameplay tool, is it not? Is it therefore not logical that its opponents would use gameplay mechanics to counter it? I am unaware of any campaigns of a large scale to oppose the GA, so I do not entirely understand the objection some seem to bring forward of raiders' actions ruining the "WA game." This is, after all, a political game; isn't it sensible, then, that raiders would act to use the perfectly legal tools available to them to pursue a political agenda?
Approval raiding affects all proposals in queue, even with selective targeting. That includes unrelated GA or SC proposals. There are other perfectly available tools, such as counter campaigning, and as Jakker explained earlier it is not rocket science. Why do raiders want to choose the route that pisses everyone off? Why do raiders not want to articulate arguments in words? Why do raiders want to choose the worst way to pursue their agenda, which harms other people that have absolutely zero interest in it? It may be legal but none of this is logical
by Honeydewistania » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:28 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Sedgistan » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:05 am
by Honeydewistania » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:21 am
Sedgistan wrote:Just a general note that discussion on the merits of "approval raiding" should go in this Technical thread, where there are some suggestions of potential changes that could limit it: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=494246
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Honeydewistania » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:29 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Honeydewistania » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:42 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:54 am
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Honeydewistania » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:10 am
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Still against - your draft does not convince me that the nominee is Commendable.
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:15 am
by Socialist States of Ludistan » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:16 am
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:09 am
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Refuge Isle » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:33 pm
by Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:17 am
Refuge Isle wrote:It's a joke resolution, and your selling point is obviously that it is a joke.
I don't really see that panning out, but it's well within your right to do so.
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:26 am
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Honeydewistania » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:34 am
AwwwBhang Bhang Duc wrote:I see this has been resubmitted and looks likely to make quorum - only eight approvals required at the time of writing.
I must repeat my lack of support for this proposal and will make a recommendation to my Delegate to vote “Against.”
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:40 am
Honeydewistania wrote:AwwwBhang Bhang Duc wrote:I see this has been resubmitted and looks likely to make quorum - only eight approvals required at the time of writing.
I must repeat my lack of support for this proposal and will make a recommendation to my Delegate to vote “Against.”
Would you be willing to convince yourself to vote for a NS states proposal again? viewtopic.php?f=10&t=481201&p=36831284#p36831284
And after the farce of Tinhampton’s efforts I think we could well do without hearing about Northern Borland for quite a while.
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Westinor » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:09 pm
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