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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:13 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC: Sad to see this fail, alas, the WA community once again proves that it cannot allow people to be commended if their OOC views are not in alignment with the mainstream narrative.

I'm not a Republican nor am I a Trump supporter, but the WA has always struck me as very left-wing, so this is not surprising.

So if the WA somehow manages to commend CCD, does that make them left-wing? Then again, some leftists may see the WA as right-wing depending on what's passed.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:39 pm

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Attempted Socialism wrote:Funny given how the Left WingTM considers the WA right-wing on some issues. I know it's a few years ago, but I once argued that the GA tried to ban Marxism as an ideology because it mandated private ownership over the means of production.

I guess from our respective analogies, we can conclude that the WA collectively is a raging schizophrenic; massively right- and left-wing at the same time?
Or, alternatively, it tends largely centrist (Sozialliberal for any fellow Continentals) except for a few areas where radical policies have been pushed through.
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As a leftist, the WA is unmistakably left-of-center. This is a good thing, and ought to be capitalized on to the fullest possible extent.

I was going for an exaggeration for effect, but a smidgen of self-insight allows me to recognise that I am perhaps a bit beyond the usual Overton Window on this, so replace "the Left WingTM" with "this particular Left WingTM". If I should make a more serious point, I would argue that the perceived leftism of the WA mostly stems from leftists and liberals generally agreeing on social, scientific and educational issues, whereas the stuff that really matters, the distribution of and power over material resources and its production, the WA guarantees a minimum living condition but does not challenge the capitalist mode of production -- in fact several WA resolutions uphold it -- which is hardly an example of "very left-wing" and even called into question by some definitions of "left-of-centre" (Anyone with a predominantly materialistic view of politics, for instance).


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Postby Tinfect » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:11 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:(Anyone with a predominantly materialistic view of politics, for instance).


Me, for example.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:15 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:Funny given how the Left WingTM considers the WA right-wing on some issues. I know it's a few years ago, but I once argued that the GA tried to ban Marxism as an ideology because it mandated private ownership over the means of production.

I guess from our respective analogies, we can conclude that the WA collectively is a raging schizophrenic; massively right- and left-wing at the same time?
Or, alternatively, it tends largely centrist (Sozialliberal for any fellow Continentals) except for a few areas where radical policies have been pushed through.
It's a toss-up!

As a leftist, the WA is unmistakably left-of-center. This is a good thing, and ought to be capitalized on to the fullest possible extent.

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Postby Phydios » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:55 pm

I am disappointed that this did not pass, but I would be quite surprised if it ever did. The superdelegates (among others) do not tolerate wrongthink.

However, we did get a condemnation of a resolution that protested the third WA resolution focused on enshrining abortion as a fundamental right-- a resolution that CD signed onto. I think that's an acceptable consolation prize. I am thrilled that Heavens Reach thought that "Charter of International Alliance for the Preborn" was worth responding to and condemning. Go check it out!
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Postby Heavens Reach » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:53 am

Phydios wrote:I am disappointed that this did not pass, but I would be quite surprised if it ever did. The superdelegates (among others) do not tolerate wrongthink.

However, we did get a condemnation of a resolution that protested the third WA resolution focused on enshrining abortion as a fundamental right-- a resolution that CD signed onto. I think that's an acceptable consolation prize. I am thrilled that Heavens Reach thought that "Charter of International Alliance for the Preborn" was worth responding to and condemning. Go check it out!


I wouldn't be so thrilled about only having earned the condemnation of a lightweight like Heavens Reach ; )

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:02 am

Phydios wrote:I am disappointed that this did not pass, but I would be quite surprised if it ever did. The superdelegates (among others) do not tolerate wrongthink.

If by "wrongthink" you mean CD's noncompliance, then yes, why would we not only tolerate it but reward it with a commend?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:13 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Phydios wrote:I am disappointed that this did not pass, but I would be quite surprised if it ever did. The superdelegates (among others) do not tolerate wrongthink.

If by "wrongthink" you mean CD's noncompliance, then yes, why would we not only tolerate it but reward it with a commend?

To be honest, I think if they did not engage in noncompliance, the opposition would have instead cited something else. I doubt that is what stood between CD and a commendation.
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Postby Chan Island » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:16 am

A pity this didn't pass.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:20 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If by "wrongthink" you mean CD's noncompliance, then yes, why would we not only tolerate it but reward it with a commend?

To be honest, I think if they did not engage in noncompliance, the opposition would have instead cited something else. I doubt that is what stood between CD and a commendation.

I beg to differ. Their noncompliance was one of the major factors in it. Of course the only real way to test your theory is if CD comes forth cap in hand and reneges on the noncompliance and apologises profusely, and afterwards another attempt made at a commend. But I very much doubt that the former will happen.
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Postby Heavens Reach » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:36 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If by "wrongthink" you mean CD's noncompliance, then yes, why would we not only tolerate it but reward it with a commend?

To be honest, I think if they did not engage in noncompliance, the opposition would have instead cited something else. I doubt that is what stood between CD and a commendation.


Considering how brutally this was defeated, I'm sure that there were many reasons this didn't pass.

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Postby Picairn » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:26 am

Heavens Reach wrote:I wouldn't be so thrilled about only having earned the condemnation of a lightweight like Heavens Reach ; )

Here is a more strongly worded condemnation. :lol:
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