NATION

PASSWORD

[PASSED] Stock Exchanges and Foreign Investment

A carefully preserved record of the most notable World Assembly debates.

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Narbone
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: May 07, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Narbone » Tue May 09, 2017 5:05 pm

We, in Narbone, do not believe in the need of such an resolution as it will limit our power over our borders and commerce, thus we vote against.

User avatar
Europe and Oceania
Diplomat
 
Posts: 886
Founded: Mar 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Europe and Oceania » Tue May 09, 2017 5:18 pm

We voted against this.
"For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either" --Blaise Pascal

"The Republican Party is not even a party anymore, it's just a group of Christian Fundamentalists and representatives for Corporate America."
--Kyle Kulinski, Host of Secular Talk


WA Delegate and Founder of New Utopian World

User avatar
Wallenburg
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22880
Founded: Jan 30, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 09, 2017 6:39 pm

Maddering Ink Islands wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"The problem, Ambassador Zakalwe, is that this committee has the power 'to develop, maintain, and publish a model code of securities regulations'. Member states have no influence over what regulations this committee introduces. The resolution grants it free reign to design whatever laws it sees fit."

OOC: This is still Ogenbond, for the moment.

Markwardt: Sir, I do realise that not everyone has legal education, but perhaps you should look up what a model code of law is. A model code is a code that is developed by an institution independent of the institution that has the jurisdiction to implement it, in this case the legislative branch of each WA member. By stating it as such, the committee admits it cannot force its code upon any member.

"No such definition of 'model code' exists, Ambassador. My point stands."
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

King of Snark, Real Piece of Work, Metabolizer of Oxygen, Old Man from The East Pacific, by the Malevolence of Her Infinite Terribleness Catherine Gratwick the Sole and True Claimant to the Bears Armed Vacancy, Protector of the Realm

User avatar
Chus Kruthe
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 128
Founded: Apr 01, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Chus Kruthe » Tue May 09, 2017 6:43 pm

"We vote against this resolution and urge other members to do likewise. We take particular issue with the phrasing of Article 2, which seems to have no force what so ever yet attempts to grant waivers to its requirements.
Specifically it states (I spoiler tagged the cited portion for reading ease):
"Recommends that all stock exchanges headquartered within a member state be open to the citizens of any World Assembly member state unless this section is:

waived between the investors and exchanges of nations engaged in a direct military conflict, embargo, or as part of sanctions, or

waived for any specific individual or group that has been found guilty of a crime related to the buying and/or selling of securities or any individual or group found guilty of a crime that was facilitated by the buying and/or selling of securities;

waived for any specific individual or group that has violated WA legislation"

How can you provide a wavier from a recommendation, under this article there is no obligation for nations to open their stock exchanges to citizens of members states, we can just choose not to follow that recommendation and thus there is no need for a waiver. This seems to be a major hole in the legislation and frankly makes the entire proposal very weak as a large portion of what it sets out to do can frankly be ignored as it is phrased merely as a recommendation. This proposal seems to mostly be full of recommendations which members can simply ignore and choose not to act on. Mostly it just defines terms which is important but everything else in it is almost completely optional. "
Last edited by Chus Kruthe on Tue May 09, 2017 6:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Enternetia
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 6
Founded: Nov 25, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Enternetia » Tue May 09, 2017 8:56 pm

"We En, in the spirit of internationalism alongside our socialist allies of the Bloc, completely object to this resolution. It serves only to place the stifled workers of the world more at the mercy of the capitalist class. Furthermore, we state that capitalists cannot be trusted to follow through with article 2. subsection b & c of this resolution."

User avatar
Wealthatonia
Envoy
 
Posts: 212
Founded: Sep 19, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Wealthatonia » Tue May 09, 2017 9:13 pm

*Ambassador Rockefeller returns from vacation and looks at the current resolution*

"Yes, fuck yes all the yes!"
Wealthatonian Ambassador JP Rockefeller

"Fine dining, grand buffets, and money used as napkins as far as the eye can see.

Gold-topped everything for Wealthatonia" what New Scaiva and Horshenwurst thinks the average meal is like in our nation

_[' ]_
(-_Q) If you support Capitalism put this in your Signature!

User avatar
Willania Imperium
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1238
Founded: Feb 06, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Willania Imperium » Tue May 09, 2017 9:35 pm

*Reads through resolution*
:clap: You've got my vote.

Pro: Capitalism, Socialism, Technological Advances, Science, Knowledge, Environmentalism, Cooperation, Pacifism, (Soft) Communism
Con: Fascism, Radicals, (Hard) Communism, Primitive Ideas
Social Liberal
Left: 6.22
Libertarian: 0.19
Foreign Policy: Moderate Non-Interventionalist
Culture: Moderate Cultural Liberal
WILLANIA IMPERIUM
[☮] -- Copy and paste this into your signature if you are a pacifist.
If you support liberal democratic capitalism, paste this into your sig: $LFD
[_★_]_[' ]_
( -_-) (-_Q) If you understand that both Capitalism and Socialism have ideas that deserve merit, put this in your signature.

A 13.7 civilization, according to this index.

User avatar
Nativista
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 11
Founded: May 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Nativista » Wed May 10, 2017 4:25 am

Zachary sits there, thinking. He gets a cup of coffee and sips it. "I reckon I dunno what to say. Nativista needs more economic freedom, not less. Our economy's purdy darned terrible as is, and I reckon we can't risk laws bein' passed dat limit growth any more den previous economic decisions have."
Government:
- Director of Foreign Policy and Defense: Lorene Whittaker
- Director of Education: Benson Lieberman
- Director of Economic Affairs: Zachary Briars
- Director of Agriculture: Gerard James
- Director of Health and Welfare: Lynn Costa
- Director of Transportation: Polly Linchester-Diedrick
- Director of Miscellany: Moe Harrison

User avatar
Kraljevina Gabrija
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: May 02, 2017
Ex-Nation

If you vote?

Postby Kraljevina Gabrija » Wed May 10, 2017 3:28 pm

If this law is accepted, how will affect countries with lower GDP?
10-30m people?

User avatar
Vaflunia
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 5
Founded: Feb 06, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Vaflunia » Wed May 10, 2017 3:38 pm

The Government of Vaflunia and the leftypol delegation strongly opposes this poor resolution.

User avatar
Covenstone
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 471
Founded: Apr 09, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Covenstone » Wed May 10, 2017 3:46 pm

Vaflunia wrote:The Government of Vaflunia and the leftypol delegation strongly opposes this poor resolution.


Why?
CP A Winters, Queen of The Witches. ("I suffer from an overwhelming surplus of diggity.")

"Every time the Goddess closes a door, she opens a window.
Which is why the Goddess is NEVER allowed in a spaceship."

User avatar
Kraljevina Gabrija
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: May 02, 2017
Ex-Nation

Hay

Postby Kraljevina Gabrija » Wed May 10, 2017 3:47 pm

Vaflunia wrote:The Government of Vaflunia and the leftypol delegation strongly opposes this poor resolution.


This law is the death of anti capitalism ???

User avatar
Vaflunia
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 5
Founded: Feb 06, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Vaflunia » Wed May 10, 2017 4:17 pm

Covenstone wrote:
Vaflunia wrote:The Government of Vaflunia and the leftypol delegation strongly opposes this poor resolution.


Why?


We see the benefits of this resolution as only temporary and it would hurt the workers of our country and our region in general. This resolution would only benefit our 1%. In addition, article 2 will not be followed by economic elites and nations that are ran by capitalism
Last edited by Vaflunia on Wed May 10, 2017 4:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Secundus Imperium Romanum
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1032
Founded: Dec 12, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Secundus Imperium Romanum » Wed May 10, 2017 4:53 pm

Vaflunia wrote:We see the benefits of this resolution as only temporary and it would hurt the workers of our country and our region in general. This resolution would only benefit our 1%. In addition, article 2 will not be followed by economic elites and nations that are ran by capitalism

Giulia Maccini: Is it not better to combat social inequality rather than to vote against mercantilist laws?
Secundus Imperium Romanum
A democratic nation, with the 1950s fashion.
Constitution · Parliamentary Debates · News · Embassy Program
Every day in Rome

User avatar
Covenstone
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 471
Founded: Apr 09, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Covenstone » Wed May 10, 2017 5:01 pm

Vaflunia wrote:
Covenstone wrote:
Why?


We see the benefits of this resolution as only temporary and it would hurt the workers of our country and our region in general. This resolution would only benefit our 1%. In addition, article 2 will not be followed by economic elites and nations that are ran by capitalism


I disagree. Anyone can trade on stock and currency exchanges (criminal laws aside), not just the ludicrously rich. In addition, most company pensions and such like are generally funded via stock markets and the like, so opening up national ones (if a nation so desires) would increase those as well.
CP A Winters, Queen of The Witches. ("I suffer from an overwhelming surplus of diggity.")

"Every time the Goddess closes a door, she opens a window.
Which is why the Goddess is NEVER allowed in a spaceship."

User avatar
The Neo-Barons
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: May 10, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Neo-Barons » Wed May 10, 2017 6:21 pm

The more I read the writing of this resolution...the more I hated it.

These barriers exist for a reason and that is to help preserve the sovereignty of nations or the people therein. In other words to keep them out of the entanglement of outside investors or influence from foreign nations that have no appreciation for culture. Our citizens will not stand for such a measure and risk having jobs lost to other countries through such means.

I think this will foster unnecessary competition within my own country from those that have no interest in the stability of my nation and the Barons of my state will not have it.

User avatar
New Jaedonstan
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Feb 27, 2017
Corporate Bordello

Postby New Jaedonstan » Thu May 11, 2017 6:53 am

United Federated States of Omega wrote:"Honorable members of the General Assembly I wish to present the following draft before you for your feedback on the legality and content of this proposal," said Mr. Xavier before presenting his proposal to the Assembly.
Stock Exchanges and Foreign Investment
Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild

Recognizing that stock exchanges provide corporations and governments the ability to raise funds,

Further recognizing that there is a significant amount of capital that could be invested outside of any given country’s borders,

Also noting that nations which have invested in the economies of other nations are less likely to enter an armed conflict,

Acknowledging that there are certain barriers, like exchange rates, to international investment,

Believing that foreign investment provides a way for corporations and governments to raise more funds than may have been previously available to them, hereby:

  1. Defines, for the purposes of this resolution,
    1. 'stock' as a portion of ownership in a corporation,
    2. 'bond' as a certificate showing the ownership of a specific amount of debt to be paid back, with interest, at a later date specified at the time the bond was bought,
    3. 'tradable derivative' as a tradable contract, which derives value from specific currencies, commodities or stocks,
    4. 'security' as a document, be it physical or otherwise, attesting to the ownership of stocks, bonds, or a tradable derivative,
    5. 'stock exchange' as a platform, be it physical or otherwise, on which securities are bought and sold, and
  2. Recommends that all stock exchanges headquartered within a member state shall be open to the citizens of any World Assembly member state unless this section is:
    1. waived between the investors and exchanges of nations engaged in a direct military conflict, embargo, or as part of sanctions, or
    2. waived for any specific individual or group that has been found guilty of a crime related to the buying and/or selling of securities or any individual or group found guilty of a crime that was facilitated by the buying and/or selling of securities;
    3. waived for any specific individual or group that has violated WA legislation
  3. Establishes the International Securities and Exchange Commission (ISEC) to develop, maintain, and publish a model code of securities regulations, which may act as a guide for member state governments;

  4. Empowers the ISEC to regulate the exchanges on which currencies are traded to prevent artificial manipulation of the exchange rate and to ensure that these exchanges operate without bias toward the citizens of any one nation.

  5. Reserves the right for member states to implement whatever regulations they see fit on domestic exchanges, within the confines of current WA legislation.



I think it would be better if you changed "recommends" to something a little stronger because that doesn't seem like a command. You say that nations could have opportunities to invest outside of their immediate vicinity. What is keeping them from doing so?
Also noting that nations which have invested in the economies of other nations are less likely to enter an armed conflict,

This is not necessarily true. Nations with large economies will be able to support and fund a campaign a lot more easy than a weak nation.
Acknowledging that there are certain barriers, like exchange rates, to international investment,

Two things, you don't really address this problem anywhere else. In fact, you don't even address it as a problem, so why include it? Second: so you would advocate that an international body tear down laws that nations have put in place, either for their own or their people's protection?
Believing that foreign investment provides a way for corporations and governments to raise more funds than may have been previously available to them, hereby

It could also drain funds as well.

Founder of NJ's Helpful Guides
Active roleplayer, founder, and delegate.
-NJ's Helpful Guides [Author]
-the Recruitment Automation Project [Developer]
-Thegye [Founder]
-Project Chaos [Founder and Administrator]

User avatar
United Christian
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 406
Founded: Dec 13, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby United Christian » Thu May 11, 2017 12:03 pm

Of the many over steps by the World Assembly, this takes the cake. You can't force companies and nations to open economic ties with others simply because the don't hate each other. If this passes, and it looks like it will I'll be campaigning and supporting any repeal measure.
United Christian
Longest Serving former NWU Chief Justice
Longest Serving Former NWU Delegate
Board Member of the Court of International Law and Justice
Longest Serving former NWU Minister of Defence
2-Time IDU WA Delegate
left moderate social libertarian.
Economic Left/Right: -5.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
Pro: Democracy, Atheism, LGBTQA+ Rights, Evolution, Gender Equality, Myers-Briggs: ISTJ
[_★_]_[' ]_
( -_-) (-_Q) If you understand that both Capitalism and Socialism have ideas that deserve merit, put this in your signature.
Netherspace wrote:The Guardian supports slapping The Unknown and telling it to shut the f**k up.

User avatar
Bananaistan
Senator
 
Posts: 3523
Founded: Apr 20, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bananaistan » Thu May 11, 2017 1:15 pm

OOC: Hmmm, shame that I've stopped paying attention (and that I'm no longer inclined to lodge any legality challenges, particularly against noobs), but how is this a free trade proposal? Forcing (recommended) regulations on businesses does not enhance free trade nor eliminate barriers to trading. Also clause 4 is a contradiction of GAR#68.

But meh, I cba doing anything about it and I wish the repeal author well.
Delegation of the People's Republic of Bananaistan to the World Assembly
Head of delegation and the Permanent Representative: Comrade Ambassador Theodorus "Ted" Hornwood
General Assistant and Head of Security: Comrade Watchman Brian of Tarth
There was the Pope and John F. Kennedy and Jack Charlton and the three of them were staring me in the face.
Ideological Bulwark #281
THIS

User avatar
New Jaedonstan
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Feb 27, 2017
Corporate Bordello

Postby New Jaedonstan » Thu May 11, 2017 2:12 pm

United Christian wrote:Of the many over steps by the World Assembly, this takes the cake. You can't force companies and nations to open economic ties with others simply because the don't hate each other. If this passes, and it looks like it will I'll be campaigning and supporting any repeal measure.

I will hopefully be getting out a repeal soon.

Founder of NJ's Helpful Guides
Active roleplayer, founder, and delegate.
-NJ's Helpful Guides [Author]
-the Recruitment Automation Project [Developer]
-Thegye [Founder]
-Project Chaos [Founder and Administrator]

User avatar
Covenstone
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 471
Founded: Apr 09, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Covenstone » Thu May 11, 2017 4:56 pm

Well this proposal has given me more reason to be depressed about The World Assembly. Not because it overreaches its power, but because its members cannot, apparently, read.

This proposal recommends you open your stock exchanges and currency markets to foreign investors, and if you do requires you to abide by the decision of an independent agency.

No where within it does it FORCE you to open your markets, impose ANY rules or regulations upon you or MAKE you implement the guidelines for transactions that it sets up.

And if you are going to launch a repeal because you think it does ANY of those things, then you really should read it again, or get someone with a greater degree of reading comprehension to read it to you.
CP A Winters, Queen of The Witches. ("I suffer from an overwhelming surplus of diggity.")

"Every time the Goddess closes a door, she opens a window.
Which is why the Goddess is NEVER allowed in a spaceship."

User avatar
Wealthatonia
Envoy
 
Posts: 212
Founded: Sep 19, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Wealthatonia » Thu May 11, 2017 5:06 pm

Covenstone wrote:Well this proposal has given me more reason to be depressed about The World Assembly. Not because it overreaches its power, but because its members cannot, apparently, read.

This proposal recommends you open your stock exchanges and currency markets to foreign investors, and if you do requires you to abide by the decision of an independent agency.

No where within it does it FORCE you to open your markets, impose ANY rules or regulations upon you or MAKE you implement the guidelines for transactions that it sets up.

And if you are going to launch a repeal because you think it does ANY of those things, then you really should read it again, or get someone with a greater degree of reading comprehension to read it to you.


Just because you oppose it does not mean people can't read. I hope you don't mind if I buy majority stock in your markets when this passes
Wealthatonian Ambassador JP Rockefeller

"Fine dining, grand buffets, and money used as napkins as far as the eye can see.

Gold-topped everything for Wealthatonia" what New Scaiva and Horshenwurst thinks the average meal is like in our nation

_[' ]_
(-_Q) If you support Capitalism put this in your Signature!

User avatar
Wealthatonia
Envoy
 
Posts: 212
Founded: Sep 19, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Wealthatonia » Thu May 11, 2017 5:09 pm

I love the salt that those who oppose this have.

Wealthatonian Businessmen look forward to buying stock
Wealthatonian Ambassador JP Rockefeller

"Fine dining, grand buffets, and money used as napkins as far as the eye can see.

Gold-topped everything for Wealthatonia" what New Scaiva and Horshenwurst thinks the average meal is like in our nation

_[' ]_
(-_Q) If you support Capitalism put this in your Signature!

User avatar
United Christian
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 406
Founded: Dec 13, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby United Christian » Thu May 11, 2017 7:11 pm

Covenstone wrote:Well this proposal has given me more reason to be depressed about The World Assembly. Not because it overreaches its power, but because its members cannot, apparently, read.

This proposal recommends you open your stock exchanges and currency markets to foreign investors, and if you do requires you to abide by the decision of an independent agency.

No where within it does it FORCE you to open your markets, impose ANY rules or regulations upon you or MAKE you implement the guidelines for transactions that it sets up.

And if you are going to launch a repeal because you think it does ANY of those things, then you really should read it again, or get someone with a greater degree of reading comprehension to read it to you.


Okay I raise you this, during the original read. The one I personally read it said mandates. Which they then changed to recommend. Okay great you are no longer infringing on my economic sovereignty so now the question is begged why is this section still in the bill. If it was about creating a central organization regulating exchanges I'm all for it. But again that entire section as far as my political mind is concerned, I've written, edited and worked with politicians on many bills on the state level, has two fates. First being the language is strengthened which is a sovereignty issue and call for instant repeal. Secondly the section regarding it is completely removed which makes the most sense.
United Christian
Longest Serving former NWU Chief Justice
Longest Serving Former NWU Delegate
Board Member of the Court of International Law and Justice
Longest Serving former NWU Minister of Defence
2-Time IDU WA Delegate
left moderate social libertarian.
Economic Left/Right: -5.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
Pro: Democracy, Atheism, LGBTQA+ Rights, Evolution, Gender Equality, Myers-Briggs: ISTJ
[_★_]_[' ]_
( -_-) (-_Q) If you understand that both Capitalism and Socialism have ideas that deserve merit, put this in your signature.
Netherspace wrote:The Guardian supports slapping The Unknown and telling it to shut the f**k up.

User avatar
United Federated States of Omega
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 128
Founded: Sep 06, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby United Federated States of Omega » Thu May 11, 2017 9:41 pm

United Christian wrote:
Covenstone wrote:Well this proposal has given me more reason to be depressed about The World Assembly. Not because it overreaches its power, but because its members cannot, apparently, read.

This proposal recommends you open your stock exchanges and currency markets to foreign investors, and if you do requires you to abide by the decision of an independent agency.

No where within it does it FORCE you to open your markets, impose ANY rules or regulations upon you or MAKE you implement the guidelines for transactions that it sets up.

And if you are going to launch a repeal because you think it does ANY of those things, then you really should read it again, or get someone with a greater degree of reading comprehension to read it to you.


Okay I raise you this, during the original read. The one I personally read it said mandates. Which they then changed to recommend. Okay great you are no longer infringing on my economic sovereignty so now the question is begged why is this section still in the bill. If it was about creating a central organization regulating exchanges I'm all for it. But again that entire section as far as my political mind is concerned, I've written, edited and worked with politicians on many bills on the state level, has two fates. First being the language is strengthened which is a sovereignty issue and call for instant repeal. Secondly the section regarding it is completely removed which makes the most sense.

The section is still in the proposal because we are still recommending that nations open their exchanges we just are not mandating it. I don't think it is such a bad thing for the GA to recommend something to nations. Also because that section was made into a reccomendation the strength was lowered to mild.
The section on the ISEC is there to try to make currency exchanges fairer and to help nations with developing their securities regulations by publishing a model code of regulations.
Edit: Someone also brought up that this contradicts GAR 68 however since this does not restrict commerce in any way I see no contradiction.
Last edited by United Federated States of Omega on Thu May 11, 2017 9:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Ω
TSP Minister of Foreign Affairs (October 2019- June 2020, October 2020-Febuary 2020 )

Author of GAR #401

"If you had less friends, you'd probably be running TSP by now"-Solorni
"I don't know who you are but I think I like you" -Consular
"You seem very much the chill mafiasio opposite of hippie lifestyle watching everything going on with a calculated expression and an ace up your sleeve, making sure everything goes according to plan" - Imaginary
"My god can you ever be informal XD" -Roavin
"Omega, your brand is Texas" -Roavin

What's next?

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to WA Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads