[PASSED] Repeal "Commend The Joint Systems Alliance"

[Elke and Elba]

Since Mall likes so much the free trophy he got from The Joint Systems Alliance, I'm going to remove it by hook or by crook.

Given that Mall wasn't even mentioned in the Passed Resolution, but is heavily featured in your Repeal ... I find the irony delicious that you're rewarding Mall and punishing AMOM with the imminent passage of this one. Good job subverting yourself.

Hmm? Punishing AMOM? I don't get it.

Anyway, I do love irony.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Given that Mall wasn't even mentioned in the Passed Resolution, but is heavily featured in your Repeal ... I find the irony delicious that you're rewarding Mall and punishing AMOM with the imminent passage of this one. Good job subverting yourself.

Hmm? Punishing AMOM? I don't get it.

Anyway, I do love irony.

You're repealing a resolution written by A Mean Old Man.

[Elke and Elba]

Hmm? Punishing AMOM? I don't get it.

Anyway, I do love irony.

You're repealing a resolution written by A Mean Old Man.

I do know that.

The delicious irony in this is also the fact I'm actually repealing what a person who told me "how the fuck did this reach quorum" (to my first SC proposal written a few years back) wrote by a wide margin. Ironic how the tables have turned.

[Dreadful Sagittarius]

This is a travesty. I was a founding member of The Joint Systems Alliance and for Mallorea and Riva to refound my glorious former region is insulting, but I don't believe the JSA deserves to have its commendation removed, even though its more than likely going to be removed.

Long live the JSA!

Sorry Bunni, but he's got no right to the commendation of a group he had zero ties to. I wouldn't have tolerate refounding the region by anyone, but if a gameplayer had to it I'd rather AMOM since at least he's not intent on fucking RP'ers over and stealing commendations, and he wrote the original resolution.

It's the insulting removal of my Alliance's commendation. My best friend and I and a group of great people worked hard to earn a commendation and repealing this is a travesty, just like Mall recreating the region for his own raider gain is insulting to the RP'ers like myself and Dreadful Sagittarius and just a stunt for his own attack on RP regions everywhere.

You don't even have a single post in the JSA thread.

Bring out that account or don't try to pull wool and claim membership.

- The West Coast is his current account, but I can confirm Bunni was one of the founding members with MO.

[Mundiferrum]

I have a strong feeling that eventually, this whole 'attack Mall via the SC' thing is going to spiral out of control. Aren't we sort of setting a bad precedent here? For the motives behind repealing commendations and such?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Here's an idea: how about, instead of using the SC as a tool for expressing your impotent rage at players for playing the game, you actually play the game right back at them, play it better than they do, and actually thwart their evil plans. Contrary to what you might think, destroying an historic region's legacy out of spite isn't going to get you what you want...so in that vein I suggest that if you want to defeat Liberate Haven, you do some actual work to defeat it: telegram against it, argue against it on the forums (beyond simply suggesting a moderator resign because his position of authority somehow bars him from gameplay), inform the masses, get other players involved, and assure that the resolution never passes. That's how you defeat Mallorea and Riva - and this comes from the founder of his home region, no less. (Though I'm positive Mall appreciates all the extra publicity.)

AGAINST this foolhardy repeal.

[Dreadful Sagittarius]

Here's an idea: how about, instead of using the SC as a tool for expressing your impotent rage at players for playing the game, you actually play the game right back at them, play it better than they do, and actually thwart their evil plans. Contrary to what you might think, destroying an historic region's legacy out of spite isn't going to get you what you want...so in that vein I suggest that if you want to defeat Liberate Haven, you do some actual work to defeat it: telegram against it, argue against it on the forums (beyond simply suggesting a moderator resign because his position of authority somehow bars him from gameplay), inform the masses, get other players involved, and assure that the resolution never passes. That's how you defeat Mallorea and Riva - and this comes from the founder of his home region, no less. (Though I'm positive Mall appreciates all the extra publicity.)

AGAINST this foolhardy repeal.

If we'd wanted to keep the region alive we'd have done so. I assure you that none of us ever even considered someone would want to refound it just to vulture off our commendation.

[Mekhet]

You're repealing a resolution written by A Mean Old Man.

I do know that.

The delicious irony in this is also the fact I'm actually repealing what a person who told me "how the fuck did this reach quorum" (to my first SC proposal written a few years back) wrote by a wide margin. Ironic how the tables have turned.

So, more petty vengeance of yours? Sad.

[Elke and Elba]

I do know that.

The delicious irony in this is also the fact I'm actually repealing what a person who told me "how the fuck did this reach quorum" (to my first SC proposal written a few years back) wrote by a wide margin. Ironic how the tables have turned.

So, more petty vengeance of yours? Sad.

It is not, I just realised AMOM wrote this when Mall said this.

Now stop pontificating I have a bloody petty grudge, because it's honestly an annoyingly stupid and idiotic "easy way out" argument that you haven't proven.

[Mekhet]

So, more petty vengeance of yours? Sad.

It is not, I just realised AMOM wrote this when Mall said this.

Now stop pontificating I have a bloody petty grudge, because it's honestly an annoyingly stupid and idiotic "easy way out" argument that you haven't proven.

What's the point of this repeal then?

[Nierr]

It is not, I just realised AMOM wrote this when Mall said this.

Now stop pontificating I have a bloody petty grudge, because it's honestly an annoyingly stupid and idiotic "easy way out" argument that you haven't proven.

What's the point of this repeal then?

The remaining members of JSA still playing don't want Mall to have their commendation.

[Elke and Elba]

It is not, I just realised AMOM wrote this when Mall said this.

Now stop pontificating I have a bloody petty grudge, because it's honestly an annoyingly stupid and idiotic "easy way out" argument that you haven't proven.

What's the point of this repeal then?

Because someone who don't deserved the commendation medal got it through undesirable means of refounding the region without any regard of what was there, and what it was for. The trophy hog was annoying.

I wouldn't have touched it if it wasn't refounded by one of the non-former-members, but given Mall decided to do so, and had to associate it with his raider friends' regions (like yours), it showed a malicious intent into desecrating a name regarded in honour with RP and Mall's endeavour to trample RP regions with GP.

The RP/R-D furore Mall caused only proves my theory.

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JSA members who didn't intend to refound it (like Sagittarius) wanted to keep a memory of their former region, and Mall is desecrating the memory entirely by doing so, and of all things, make it only as a single nation puppet storage (obviously region holding) and associating with regions like yours.

On the other hand, JSA members who decided to voice their opinion against yet didn't care two hoots about the region and the commendation for 3(!) years (they had all the time to do something) until this came out - I do consider them hypocrites in every sense of the word.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Current vote: For: 5,511 Against: 438

This isn't a typical repeal. This is a curbstomp.

[Ikania]

Striking back at him, now are we? For, because the JSA isn't really there anymore... much.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Here's an idea: how about, instead of using the SC as a tool for expressing your impotent rage at players for playing the game, you actually play the game right back at them, play it better than they do, and actually thwart their evil plans. Contrary to what you might think, destroying an historic region's legacy out of spite isn't going to get you what you want...so in that vein I suggest that if you want to defeat Liberate Haven, you do some actual work to defeat it: telegram against it, argue against it on the forums (beyond simply suggesting a moderator resign because his position of authority somehow bars him from gameplay), inform the masses, get other players involved, and assure that the resolution never passes. That's how you defeat Mallorea and Riva - and this comes from the founder of his home region, no less. (Though I'm positive Mall appreciates all the extra publicity.)

AGAINST this foolhardy repeal.

If we'd wanted to keep the region alive we'd have done so. I assure you that none of us ever even considered someone would want to refound it just to vulture off our commendation.

...a transgression you all are taking way too seriously I'm afraid. As far as I know, Mall only did that to have fun with a game glitch, not to "steal" anybody's commendation. And repealing JSA's hard-earned brownie points is hardly a punishment against Mall; it's not his historic achievements that are being stricken from the books here.

[-The West Coast-]

What's the point of this repeal then?

Because someone who don't deserved the commendation medal got it through undesirable means of refounding the region without any regard of what was there, and what it was for. The trophy hog was annoying.

I wouldn't have touched it if it wasn't refounded by one of the non-former-members, but given Mall decided to do so, and had to associate it with his raider friends' regions (like yours), it showed a malicious intent into desecrating a name regarded in honour with RP and Mall's endeavour to trample RP regions with GP.

The RP/R-D furore Mall caused only proves my theory.

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JSA members who didn't intend to refound it (like Sagittarius) wanted to keep a memory of their former region, and Mall is desecrating the memory entirely by doing so, and of all things, make it only as a single nation puppet storage (obviously region holding) and associating with regions like yours.

On the other hand, JSA members who decided to voice their opinion against yet didn't care two hoots about the region and the commendation for 3(!) years (they had all the time to do something) until this came out - I do consider them hypocrites in every sense of the word.

The region only JUST recently died and was recreated by Mall. It was still alive for the 3 years we had this commendation. So why don't you stuff it and stop pretending like you understand what members of the JSA like myself were doing for 3 years.

[UED]

Large amount of support for this. I applaud this

[Mundiferrum]

If we'd wanted to keep the region alive we'd have done so. I assure you that none of us ever even considered someone would want to refound it just to vulture off our commendation.

...a transgression you all are taking way too seriously I'm afraid. As far as I know, Mall only did that to have fun with a game glitch, not to "steal" anybody's commendation. And repealing JSA's hard-earned brownie points is hardly a punishment against Mall; it's not his historic achievements that are being stricken from the books here.

That's essentially my point, only spoken with much more clarity. We're not removing a trophy from Mall's trophy cabinet; we're removing from the records the achievements of the former group, essentially denying their past win any formal recognition. Mall's not really losing anything: he still has the region, it's only just slightly less shiny. This grand amount of pain is really setting a bad precedent for the SC, and this will definitely spiral out of control. Why can't you just deny him the satisfaction of Liberate Haven, then never touch the topic again?

[Novus Niciae]

...a transgression you all are taking way too seriously I'm afraid. As far as I know, Mall only did that to have fun with a game glitch, not to "steal" anybody's commendation. And repealing JSA's hard-earned brownie points is hardly a punishment against Mall; it's not his historic achievements that are being stricken from the books here.

That's essentially my point, only spoken with much more clarity. We're not removing a trophy from Mall's trophy cabinet; we're removing from the records the achievements of the former group, essentially denying their past win any formal recognition. Mall's not really losing anything: he still has the region, it's only just slightly less shiny. This grand amount of pain is really setting a bad precedent for the SC, and this will definitely spiral out of control. Why can't you just deny him the satisfaction of Liberate Haven, then never touch the topic again?

I would take the opposite point of view and vote against the repeal and let Mall keep an award that everyone now knows he did not earn and instead have a condemnation motion moved against him to make this clear.

[Dreadful Sagittarius]

If we'd wanted to keep the region alive we'd have done so. I assure you that none of us ever even considered someone would want to refound it just to vulture off our commendation.

...a transgression you all are taking way too seriously I'm afraid. As far as I know, Mall only did that to have fun with a game glitch, not to "steal" anybody's commendation. And repealing JSA's hard-earned brownie points is hardly a punishment against Mall; it's not his historic achievements that are being stricken from the books here.

His intentions have always been less than decent. We are fully aware of what we all did, we never needed the commendation for it anyway. It was the fact that AMOM offered to do one for us that led MO to accept. None of us will ever forget the good things we did or the camaraderie, so why shouldn't we push for its removal? Right now it's a sop to his pride.

[Mundiferrum]

...a transgression you all are taking way too seriously I'm afraid. As far as I know, Mall only did that to have fun with a game glitch, not to "steal" anybody's commendation. And repealing JSA's hard-earned brownie points is hardly a punishment against Mall; it's not his historic achievements that are being stricken from the books here.

His intentions have always been less than decent. We are fully aware of what we all did, we never needed the commendation for it anyway. It was the fact that AMOM offered to do one for us that led MO to accept. None of us will ever forget the good things we did or the camaraderie, so why shouldn't we push for its removal? Right now it's a sop to his pride.

Although he already admitted that his pride wouldn't be hurt by this, and it's not just your memories that matter with this commendation, but also the memories of every other nation joining this thing in the future.

EDIT: By 'this thing', I meant NationStates as a whole. Shoulda made that one clearer before.

[Dreadful Sagittarius]

His intentions have always been less than decent. We are fully aware of what we all did, we never needed the commendation for it anyway. It was the fact that AMOM offered to do one for us that led MO to accept. None of us will ever forget the good things we did or the camaraderie, so why shouldn't we push for its removal? Right now it's a sop to his pride.

Although he already admitted that his pride wouldn't be hurt by this, and it's not just your memories that matter with this commendation, but also the memories of every other nation joining this thing in the future.

What other nations? The few of us who were still in the JSA until it died in 2011 have all voiced support of it, while it's only two ex-members, one of whom vandalised our forum, who disagreed. There's no way for people to 'join this thing', because the group has been defunct for years and I only kept the region alive out of nostalgia. We put it behind us then someone who cares only for a shiny commendation to be associated with him commits necromancy on it.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

You're really not disproving my point at how seriously you all are taking this little prank of Mall's. Especially considering that Mall supports the repeal. Who are you really punishing with this?

[Mallorea and Riva]

You're really not disproving my point at how seriously you all are taking this little prank of Mall's. Especially considering that Mall supports the repeal. Who are you really punishing with this?

They aren't punishing me, I get a name drop in the Repeal itself.

[Dreadful Sagittarius]

You're really not disproving my point at how seriously you all are taking this little prank of Mall's. Especially considering that Mall supports the repeal. Who are you really punishing with this?

It's not about punishing anyone at all. It's about making sure nobody takes advantage of the commendation we earned. If Mall's ego is getting bloated from thinking it's about him, well that's his problem.