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by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:48 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
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Views: 50993

So according to http://www.bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/GunDeathandInjuryStatSheet3YearAverageFINAL.pdf 100.000 people a year get shot on average in the U.S., and 31.537 people die from these injuries. So that's about 33% mortality, there's a reasonable chance that shooting someone wont ki...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:44 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

"Countries with Firearms Licensing: •United States of America (for some states and/or municipalities)" Pretty self-explanatory. You need a license to own fully automatic weapons, and some particularly high calibre weapons. For most though, you don't need one. Just go to Wal-Mart, say 'I w...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:42 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Please provide proof in this debate that I accepted that position? I've always maintained that firearms ownership is a state-given right, and while I believe it can help prevent tyranny, I've never endorsed it as the silver bullet for authoritarianism. There's something. Does the right to bear arms...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:39 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

You yourself have resorted to partisan tactics. You and every other gun rights advocate have adopted the platform that you have a "God-given right" to own guns, and that gun ownership protects against a tyranny. Are you still making generalizations? I don't believe in a god. I support gay...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:36 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

You know, when someone recognizes your argument, you usually should try to do the same with them. That way you don't come across as a complete ass. Once again, I recognize gun ownership as necessary for some people, and as a responsible preference for others. But in my opinion, again, rights are un...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:34 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Why should I waste my time researching hard facts when your side's previous behavior suggests you will either demand more evidence, reject it as biased or inaccurate, or, when you notice that it actually demonstrates that my argument is strong, simply ignore it and pretend that it never happened by...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:30 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Korva wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Also, that guns don't need permits is an obvious lie. There is no way to defend your argument on that. http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/fire_fact.shtml

lets move them goalposts

Que?
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:30 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Why should I waste my time researching hard facts when your side's previous behavior suggests you will either demand more evidence, reject it as biased or inaccurate, or, when you notice that it actually demonstrates that my argument is strong, simply ignore it and pretend that it never happened by...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:28 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Destroy and shoot are different things. Shoot means that there will be a bullet fired at it. Destroyed means to put an end to existence. Shooting does not always lead to destruction Proper practice of firearm safety dictates tha you always assume that shooting a target will lead to destruction. You...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:26 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

You need a license for it. You also need a permit to own guns. No, you don't. Not in the US, at least. You know, when someone recognizes your argument, you usually should try to do the same with them. That way you don't come across as a complete ass. Why? Your argument wasn't accurate. I'll recogni...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:24 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

I think that's a good stance ^ If someone is attacking or will attack you, shoot to kill If someone is fleeing, shoot legs If someone is surrendered, call police If someone wants to take the life of my gun through legislation, their life will go with my gun. So what you're saying is that you will m...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:21 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

I think that's a good stance ^ If someone is attacking or will attack you, shoot to kill If someone is fleeing, shoot legs If someone is surrendered, call police If someone wants to take the life of my gun through legislation, their life will go with my gun. Your gun has no rights beyond that of co...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:20 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

That's a big chunk of your side. Reconsider that statement. But yes, a minority should not be taken to represent a majority. Just as the handful of total ban advocates does not represent the large swath of America in favor of mild regulation. Like your opinions on the Supreme Court decision regardi...
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:06 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Korva wrote:
Prezelly wrote:I'll offer my stance, shoot to wound

lol what

how do you even do this?


But it all happens so fast!
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:03 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

That's a big chunk of your side. Reconsider that statement. But yes, a minority should not be taken to represent a majority.
Just as the handful of total ban advocates does not represent the large swath of America in favor of mild regulation.
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:51 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

I just noticed you pulled shit out of your ass.
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:48 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Vitaphone exaggerates his image of gun-philes, but I agree with the rest of his argument.
by Wallenburg
Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:45 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Did you just claim that the Constitution does not protect freedom of religion? Because if you are, how does it protect gun "rights"?
And if you aren't, explain then what you just said. I suggest using the 9th amendment to check rights rather than following your current logic.
by Wallenburg
Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:43 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

That would be idyllic, but without money in politics there would be no campaign donations, meaning basically 0 news coverage/ad campaigns in elections.
Money corrupts Washington, but the fix won't be that simple.
#concession
by Wallenburg
Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:32 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Arsenals are collections of weapons that are unreasonable for a single person to own. I leave it to Congress to decide exactly where collections become ludicrous. As to right vs privilege, I argue that the first amendment clearly protects basic freedoms while the second amendment is the most obscure...
by Wallenburg
Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:08 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

And with a lull in attacks on my character, I will restate that I honor gun privilege while I do not consider it a right. I just want to see loopholes closed that allow dangerous people to own mini-arsenals. I really don't see any reason, much less a possibility for a full ban!
by Wallenburg
Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:03 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Scomagica, I AM demonstrating a desire to be civil. Unfortunately, the outlook is bleak on you ALLOWING me to demonstrate civility. You are all caught up in a big caricature of me that I am doing everything I can to prove false.
by Wallenburg
Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:59 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

I have no hope for reasoning with you, guy with the flag of a prancing sheep or whatevs.
by Wallenburg
Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:55 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

Also, consider this: I am the only person who has dared to stand constantly against the stream of guns rights advocates. I am being expected to answer every counterargument when my opponents outnumber me enormously. On top of that, I am typing on a slow-ass phone that can't handle half of NationStat...
by Wallenburg
Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:42 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control
Replies: 2835
Views: 50993

I'm disappointed you prefer hostility and self contradiction to logic. In your argument, you overgeneralized by claiming I am the only one here making generalizations. Clearly after over 600 posts, someone else has done the same. You and I are both guilty. Who has done this more, I am unsure. But it...
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