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by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:04 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Two things: Outside the universe = doesn’t exist. So then, the multiverse theory is bullshit? No. Well, probably, but that's besides the point. The point is that, as has been explained to you repeatedly, you're entirely mis-stating it. You have no basis to ascribe traits to anything that we cannot ...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:00 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Yes, there is. Not to mention that all of this is utterly irrelevant: the claim was "a triangle is a triangle". That is true for any definition of "triangle". No, it isn't. It's a fact. Points don't have sides, and the properties of a set are not dependent on the way in which yo...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:33 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Not at all. I'm pointing out that without established parameters, there is no functional difference between any one shape and the other. Whether it's a point or a point with three sides is largely a matter of description, which is what mathematics was for in the first place. The material world prov...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:32 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Not really, unless the sides were parallel lines, in which case they would not form a triangle, they would intersect. You're just applying the word "triangle" to things that objectively aren't triangles. Not at all. I'm pointing out that without established parameters, there is no functio...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:31 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

That's not a triangle, that's a point. They are functionally identical in that circumstance. That's MY point. The same could be said for a triangle with sides that are infinitely long, with the exception of not being identical to a point. Nope, there are perfectly reasonable infinitely long, closed...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:30 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

No, actually. A triangle is always a triangle, and 2 + 2 is always 4. No exceptions, ever. The first is a tautology, the latter a trivial consequence of the definitions of "2", "4", "+", and "=". A triangle with sides of length zero is functionally indistingu...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:29 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

No, actually. A triangle is always a triangle, and 2 + 2 is always 4. No exceptions, ever. The first is a tautology, the latter a trivial consequence of the definitions of "2", "4", "+", and "=". On a globe I can draw a "triangle" using 90 degree tu...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:26 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: World Health Organization says "Anti-Vaxxers are a threat."
Replies: 1043
Views: 15991

It doesn't help when Darla Shine, who's married to Bill Shine, Donald Trump’s deputy chief of staff for communications goes on an anti-vaccine tirade. The wife of White House communications director Bill Shine on Wednesday went on an anti-vaccine tirade while spreading conspiracy theories about an ...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:20 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Numerals and expressions may be human constructs, but they express things that are not dependent on human constructs. The formulas exist independently of whether they are known or not. Also incorrect, we came up with mathematics to describe our own understanding of the universe, but that does not m...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:18 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-universe-made-of-math-excerpt/ One physicist's response to the idea that Mathematics is a social construct. Why the fuck are they asking a physicist? Physicists, in general, know very little about mathematics. For reference, the totality of all of t...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:16 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Which says nothing whatsoever about the existence or non-existence of a god. It's really fairly simple. Not far off the simplest possible structure, actually. It isn't. No, it pretty much does "nuclear physics", "chemistry" and "gravity". This is a wildly unsupported a...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:39 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

This is true, especially since polytheistic ones have better creationist stories, and better stories in general. I would also personally argue that polytheism is more logical to believe in. I'd argue that the explanation with the fewest "actors" is the best explanation. Which means that a...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:36 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

:) No one is supporting them for today’s landscape. Every scholarly explanation is trainwreck for you people, anyway. The 21st century and the Late Bronze Age have completely different moral landscapes, and purges like these do belong in the BCE era, and God was speaking to the Israelites in their ...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:30 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Concentrated Singularity (that's how it was described to be, the little ball of energy before the big bang) is also pretty inconceivable. There's no reason for preference of your god over the secular. Because there must have been something to set off the concentrated singularity, as otherwise presu...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:28 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

That's not time, that's causality. Time is not an independent property. Causality doesn't even make sense if time doesn't exist. You can absolutely have causality in a time-less universe: causality is simply the statement that in the digraph of all events with causal edges, there are no directed lo...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:27 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

No, I just have to understand that great complexity can arise from simple building blocks, I don't need to assume a creator. I did hesitate on using this example because I knew the *builder* bit would be seized on rather than the principle of great complexity from simple building blocks over vast t...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:25 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Simple building blocks and complexity It's not to say someone had to build the universe but just the mathematical ease with which you can create huge complexity from simple blocks. I think some people can't grasp the vastness of time over which that complexity occurs. That's my point exactly. If yo...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:22 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Basically, for the proof of reality, I believe in Descartes' formula of thought proving existence, through self-evidence. I take that further to say that it is unlikely that my observations are false, and that what I experience is most likely existence. Agreed to here. Note, however, that the exist...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:17 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Because 1) If God exists, there's no reason to doubt our observations are false. Such an existence would not be implausible, because a God could absolutely create such a thing. and 2) If reality exists, presumably our observations can be trusted. Actually, our observations can be false. In one bibl...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:16 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Hmm... hearing it said like that gives it a little circularity in the argument. That's the point, I'm saying all arguments are inherently circular because they are grounded at the end in something which cannot be proven. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, because I think a circular arg...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:14 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

It doesn't matter, it's all we have to go on to understand and observe this world. Yet still, if you're really getting down to this level you've put yourself into a tiny and ever-shrinking space to justify the idea that a god could exist, which is a long long way from providing any rationale for th...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:09 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

I can't find page 528, but you can get the idea from 529, basically their argument is that, because all things are yet to happen, are happening, and have already happened, from the point of view of God, that God doesn't "know" what will happen, he can simply watch it all happen "befo...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:08 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

He could've created the universe without rigging it at the beginning for us to fail in the garden. We would argue that it wasn't rigged. We were free to choose whichever we wanted. Unfortunately, it turns out free will is an illusion. There are two types of thing in the universe: random and predete...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:07 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

Aww diddums, and then be unknowable and demand we love him back on faith alone and punish us if we don't with floods and war and disease. What. a. dick. Even if a god exists, we have no means of knowing their intent other than guesswork, which religion do we follow, that of a small tribe in Israel,...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:06 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4501
Views: 57450

What we're asked to believe is that a god set in motion a vast universe in order to house a small planet of which only a small tribe would understand that god. That god would then have to protect the tribe through history to ensure they can survive and spread the word while allowing for a wide vari...
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