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by Katganistan
Tue May 26, 2020 12:27 pm
 
Forum: Moderation
Topic: [R] Trolling/Flamebaiting Abortion Thread
Replies: 2
Views: 231

Sending up the Katsignal.
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 6:55 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

If born persons cannot compel others to give up their vital bodily fluids or organs, then unborn non-persons cannot either.
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 6:40 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

McFall v. Shrimp is a court case that stated that EVEN IF someone's blood, marrow, or other organs are your ONLY chance of survival, you cannot compel that person to give them to you in order to survive. So EVEN IF a fetus cannot survive without the nutrients, the calcium it leaches from women's bo...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 6:39 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Sundiata wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Do you actually read links, or do you just keep repeating yourself?

Yes, that was repugnant.

Really? A Wikipedia article is repugnant? I see.
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 6:34 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

McFall v. Shrimp is a court case that stated that EVEN IF someone's blood, marrow, or other organs are your ONLY chance of survival, you cannot compel that person to give them to you in order to survive. So EVEN IF a fetus cannot survive without the nutrients, the calcium it leaches from women's bon...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 6:31 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Then abortion is fine, since the inadvertent death of the fetus is the result of its removal. No born person has the right to force anyone to give up anything from their body, even if that is their only chance of living. Therefore, no unborn person has that right either. That isn't always true, for...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 6:25 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

It really does not when it comes to rights. If you have no right to take a life, then even in self defense you are not allowed to kill your attacker while defending yourself. It's no person's right to kill anyone. Self-defense doesn't create that right. However, the inadvertent death of an attacker...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 6:18 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I'm still really curious as to how it is up to the fetus and not the host to determine what constitutes an intrusion against the host tbh.

It isn't. That's why insisting it is is giving you a headache.
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:44 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?
Replies: 1381
Views: 12279

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Kernen wrote:No, it isnt.


Maybe not to you, but your kids will have to interact with religious people in their lives and I don’t want them to make bigoted arses of themselves.

Why? Plenty of my fellow religious people make bigoted asses of themselves all the time.
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:42 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Is time for Men to get the right to vote?
Replies: 216
Views: 2811

Major-Tom wrote:I think there is something to be said about both the selective service and especially felony disenfranchisement, but I wouldn't compare it to anything "misandrist" as the OP implies.

I also think that once one serves their time, they should be allowed to vote.
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:40 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Is time for Men to get the right to vote?
Replies: 216
Views: 2811

Selective service either needs to be done away with entirely (optimal) or women need to sign up for it as well. I love how we exclude women from the draft because "we need people to raise the kids," as if men can't do it. So if a man dies in war and leaves his family, the woman can take c...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:35 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: What would it take for you to vote for Vermin Supreme
Replies: 21
Views: 260

We're not about to have a page full of copycat joke threads, thank you.
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:35 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: What would it take for you to vote for me?
Replies: 4
Views: 109

We're not about to have a page full of copycat joke threads, thank you.
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:32 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Are you unaware that women who were slaves were raped by their masters or forced to have sex with other slaves specifically to impregnate them to add to the collection of slaves they had and/or to increase the wealth of the slave owners by selling off children? Do you honestly see no difference in ...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:29 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

No, she is not obligated to support her child. Hence adoption.Which is a shitty alternative that gives her all of the damage to her health (mental and physical) and a kid none of the assurances it will be adopted. Adoption is a form of supporting your child, parents are obligated to support their c...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:27 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Ok. That's slavery. Frederick Douglass would likely disagree. Are you unaware that women who were slaves were raped by their masters or forced to have sex with other slaves specifically to impregnate them to add to the collection of slaves they had and/or to increase the wealth of the slave owners ...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:19 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Clearly you have absolutely no idea of what pregnancy is, and thus should not be making any pronouncements on it at all. A middle school student knows that pregnancy is a painful process. ALWAYS. And if you do not know this then you do not know the Bible very well. Do you remember the Garden of Ede...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:11 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Are you aware that the punishment in 3:16 comes after 1:28? This is not a comeback, it's a reinforcement to my point. The verse is not cherrypicked either, but a consistent theme that women are basically breeding-property throughout the Bible. Yes I'm aware that my verse comes before yours. The poi...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:06 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

And I am qualified to decide when, if ever, I help at cost of detriment to my body or mental state. Because it's my body and I have the right to bodily sovereignty. You have the right to bodily integrity but not the right to kill a fetus because that fetus also has the same right as you to bodily i...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 1:00 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

And you still are yet to answer why a foetus gets additional rights. It gets the same rights as everyone else. It absolutely does not. It does not vote. It is not a citizen. It is not counted in the census. It cannot own property. So no, it doesn't have the rights of everyone else, because it is no...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 12:55 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Bingo! You hit it on the nose. People have the right to self-defence. Pregnant women have the right to self-defence. Pregnancy carries a risk of death, severe complications, and -- for some -- brings severe distress. Pregnant women have a right to life, and thus can defend themselves (should they c...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 12:19 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Then you should support abortion. Pregnancy has a 1 in 3500 risk of death, roughly. Her life is at risk, and she has a right to defend it. In the instance of a normal pregnancy her life is not at certain risk of ending, or even near certain risk of ending. When it is, a pregnancy can be prevented w...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 12:11 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Pregnancy is always a risk to the mother. And yet pregnancy also carries with it the risk of potentially lethal complications. The prospective mother cannot be certain to escape unscathed. Absolutely, it's partially why our responsibility to prospective mothers is so great. Pregnancy shouldn't be a...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 11:57 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Sundiata- Can you actually quote the exact phrase from Bible what says anything about abortions? As much as I have tried to search for it, all it does is showing how pregnant women were happy, but it does not say that women MUST get pregnant. It does say about how God protected some fetuses, but it...
by Katganistan
Mon May 25, 2020 11:46 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies
Replies: 1761
Views: 14732

Sundiata wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Based on....certainly not the bible.

Based on the bible and traditional church teaching.

Which applies to no one who does not CHOOSE to be a Christian.
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