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by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:40 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Neutraligon wrote:About the rapist and free will. Given that rape is defined as sex without consent, by allowing the rape to continue god is choosing the free will of the rapist instead of that of the victim. And god does this for every crime that occurs.

The rapist is taking away free will, not God
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:37 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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"SWT", that means "Peace and blessings be upon Him" correct? Why would an omniomni God require a measly, weak, powerless, vastly inferior human to wish Him peace? SWT means سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ‎ , subḥānahu wa-taʿālā, which is "May He be praised and exalted" in Engl...
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:46 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Well what do you do expect? I'm one person, arguing against many at a time. Everyone's targeting my arguments more than anyone else's It might be because of the nature of your arguments that they are easier to target. Low hanging fruit and all that... I'll accept that. In either case, my point stil...
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:41 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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No, it is impossible to definitively prove a God that is claimed to transcend the natural world. People can believe that its existence certain, but that doesn't make it any less uncertain. The arguments that prove Allah SWT beg to differ. "SWT", that means "Peace and blessings be upo...
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:38 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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I think it's just human nature to believe in a higher power. I personally believe in God because that's what I was taught and as far as I can tell is accurate. Because Jerusalem exists, scintists agree that the flood happened, plus year after year more and more planets are found to have no life mak...
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:35 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Kowani wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:How would He, exactly?

Well, if he was all knowing, he’d know the outcome of the bet before it happened so it’d be unnecessary.

Yes, but if the "bet" never, He would NOT know the outcome
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:33 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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I never claimed to be qualified to interpret the Bible. However, I source my work from people who are. Also, no it wasn't. God was testing Job's loyalty. He wasn't using Job as a pawn in an idiotic bet If God was "testing Job's loyalty", all that would mean is that he was using Job as a p...
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:30 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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I never claimed to be qualified to interpret the Bible. However, I source my work from people who are. Also, no it wasn't. God was testing Job's loyalty. He wasn't using Job as a pawn in an idiotic bet Wouldn’t an all knowing god know exactly how loyal Job was, without needing to kill his family an...
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:30 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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I never claimed to be qualified to interpret the Bible. However, I source my work from people who are. Also, no it wasn't. God was testing Job's loyalty. He wasn't using Job as a pawn in an idiotic bet Ah, so you admit it was God, and not Satan, who was responsible. Because earlier you said it was ...
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:27 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Well, considering the Sun also gives us things like skin cancer, it’s not exactly an all-loving deity...plus it doesn’t have a code of ethics, being non-living... Oh, but the biggest problem is that it was formed after the universe, so it can’t exactly exist independently of another, even higher po...
by Australian rePublic
Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:20 am
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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That what people call "faith" often isn't. That what they call "belief" is more likely "belief in belief" belief in the idea that they believe and the religious are often just non-practicing atheists. Some folks definitely are in this category. Others aren't. And still...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:19 pm
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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I actually agree with Reverend Norv on a lot of things posted here... Although, the Orthodox faith says that there are three kinds of Christians... 1. Those who obey out of fear of hell 2. Those who obey for want of reward in Heaven 3. Those who obey out of love for God We should try to be the third...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:13 pm
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Yes, which was the point that I was trying to make Not very sporting to cut off the rest, and most relevant, part of my post: And no... not all -- not many/most, delete as appropriate -- Christians would step over the homeless man and not all atheists are seeking cures for cancer but of all the arg...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:12 pm
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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This isn't exactly accurate. And this clarification comes without any desire to make the Job story less problematic than it is; its power is rooted in its painful refusal to conform to our moral expectations, and I have no wish to detract from that power. But a little context is useful. When the Bo...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:10 pm
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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How exactly am I doing the same Same reason why he doesn't stop a human rapist. Free will And yet when they're good it's God's fault. You can't have it both ways. You can't blame humanity for their evil then attribute their good bits to God. No, and I never claimed that He was. However, God is reps...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:04 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Calling a "bet" is a very poor understanding of the situation of Job I don't trust your understanding of the Bible to any degree whatsoever. So far you have demonstrated nothing which leads me to believe you are more qualified to interpret the Bible then I am, and several thing which lead...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:00 pm
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Yea, and? Are you trying to argue that God doesn't exist simply because He has a fondness for emptiness? Yes. If you're arguing the universe was intelligently designed by a being who was principally concerned with earth and one species on it the fact that EVERYTHING ELSE exists is fucking ridiculou...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:50 pm
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Well, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black... No. This always seems to happen with - in particular - bad apologists. At some point they realize that their arguments are flimsy, so they try to inflict them on the other side. Rather then being proud of their faith, or believing themselves just...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:47 pm
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Many Christians have comitted evil. That doesn't mean that Christianity in and of itself is evil. It's like arguing that atheism in and of itself is evil because many atheists have comitted evil Atheism is not an organization nor an ideology nor a doctrine, atheism is only the lack of belief in a d...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:44 pm
 
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Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Space Captain Brian Surgeon wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Because I don't spend every second of my life in this thread


Or are you just ignoring the posts that are difficult or where you lose the point being contested.

No. At this stage I was 20 pages behind this page. Re-read the OP
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:42 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
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Yes You understand the scientific method and how it can be trusted, right? You have got to learn how to put all these responses together into one post, Australian rePublic. it can be hard on mobile. on a comp, there's no excuse. Who said I was a computer? 99%, if not, significantly more, of NationS...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:37 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4450
Views: 56030

Well considering that your entire argument against him/her is "I have a different opinion to you, therefore, you're automatically wrong" he/she has a better argument than you That wasn't NCR's argument. Considering your complaints when others incorrectly interpreted your arguments, doing ...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:31 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4450
Views: 56030

If God didn't tell people how to act, fewer people would act compassionately So, those good Christians who step over the homeless man on their way home from the sermon about loving their neighbour would feel free to spit on the homeless man without the Bible? Or those atheistic doctors working on c...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:29 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4450
Views: 56030

If God didn't tell people how to act, fewer people would act compassionately This sort of argument kind of really irks me. How can we make that sort of judgment? I mean, we don’t know that God exists , let alone whether he tells people how to act. And we can’t just blame everything negative- e.g, c...
by Australian rePublic
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:23 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 4450
Views: 56030

The whole notion of God judging us is ludicrous. If God is an omnipotent, omniscient being, then we are to God what bacteria are to us. Do you have any interest in which bacteria are good and which bacteria are sinful? We are infinitely closer to bacteria than we are to an all-powerful God. Compare...
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