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by THX1138
Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:41 am
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

Truly stunning, the absolute density of your hostility to me, arguing with me because I dared defend the legality of a draft that would prevent religious exemptions. No hostility at all, except that coming from you. You made a statement that one reg doesn't effect another. I countered, suggesting t...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:32 am
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

OOC: And the next resolution of this nature that comes with a clause 5 that merely clarifies that it's non discrimination mandates do not apply to say, white supremacist organizations, will have no effect on the mandates of CoCR either, right? Yes. That is how World Assembly resolutions work. Attem...
by THX1138
Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:04 am
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

This proposal treats all religions equally, but unlike people, religions are not equal, some are more discriminating than others. Saying that Islam should accept women as equal members of society, or to acknowledge that a rape isn't a damage to a man's possession, but rather a damage to the person ...
by THX1138
Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:39 am
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

Exactly. Disagreeing with someone's homosexuality is basically saying you don't recognize their sexuality, and that's oppressive and discriminatory. OOC; Then why enable that? Honestly, this has been the most baffling part of this whole exercise for me. To the point where it's made me question the ...
by THX1138
Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:54 am
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

Tinfect wrote:If getting people to respect human rights means 'forcing' it on them, than you're goddamn right I'll force it on them. Human-Fucking-Rights are non-negotiable, period. You don't get to 'opt-out' of respecting them.

Hear, hear.
by THX1138
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:06 am
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

So while I’m all for the cause of expanding LGBT+ rights? I don’t feel it’s appropriate to impose anything on what amounts to private religious organizations. Legalized same-sex marriage- which is enshrined now in the WA thanks to GA 457- will naturally lead to houses of worship across all WA membe...
by THX1138
Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:57 am
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

Sure. GAR #457, clause 5:"CLARIFIES that religious organizations and their internal discrimination do not fall under this resolution..." and GAR #35, which allows discrimination when there is a clear compelling and practical reason to do so. There are probably many more, those are just th...
by THX1138
Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:54 am
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

OOC: I read the motivation behind Clause 5 as the author knowing that any discrimination legislation that included religion would be incredibly hard to pass through. I think a resubmitted version that does not include the fifth clause would be stone walled or implicitly include an exemption on grou...
by THX1138
Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:05 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

OOC: I agree it's a long shot, but I think repealing the entire DRSGM because one clause leaves an opening for further legislation is a bit too far. OOC: A very long shot, which is why the repeal is the only way forward that I saw. I still maintain that 457 had a significant chance of passing if re...
by THX1138
Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:21 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Draft] Limiting Religious Discrimination Exemptions
Replies: 108
Views: 2210

My main intention here is to strengthen the DRSGM (aka making a blocker for its repeal) OOC: So, is it just a red herring? Do you have any intention of following it through, or is this just deigned to show that it can be done without actually doing it? Because at the end of the day, getting it pass...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:56 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

OOC: Yeah, I really don't see a way to salvage this. This is a pure blocker, and as Wallenburg points out seems to amend existing legislation (or even repeal it by fiat instead of the game repeal function, which is also illegal). If you want to make a discrete piece of legislation moot, repeal it d...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:24 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

Such an approach would only make it more illegal, causing it to violate further existing resolutions and to serve as a non-repeal repeal of that lengthened list of resolutions. You made this post before I edited mine. I'd have to apply it 'moving forward' so that it wouldn't upset the status quo, b...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:17 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

OOC: Yeah, I really don't see a way to salvage this. This is a pure blocker, and as Wallenburg points out seems to amend existing legislation (or even repeal it by fiat instead of the game repeal function, which is also illegal). If you want to make a discrete piece of legislation moot, repeal it d...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:59 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: 0% chance that this is legal under the Category rule. For any category.

OOC: Copy, I'll keep working on it, and find a way to bring it into compliance.
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:33 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

If that is the case, then I highly doubt I will support it. Nations will say things like "I will not support this unless I am excluded." Authors will always exclude themselves from plans involving business regulation because it will give them a leg up in the global economy. Overall, I can...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:31 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

Falcania wrote:So let me get this straight - this is legislation designed to fix a problem in #457 that doesn't actually exist.

Absolutely not. The problems of 457 are clearly stated in that repeal. The comments above were in response to an earlier, and much different draft.
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:04 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

OOC: Category/strength? I ask because I suspect this will fit in none. I'd be inclined to think this is in the realm of civil rights, given that its eventual goal is to bolster civil equality under the law and its actions, and make the process of exempting groups from law, more transparent. As for ...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:57 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

What statement? In the thread for the repeal of 457, SL stated the following: OOC: I see this clause as an Honest Mistake. The target does not block further WA action to deal with discrimination by religious organizations; in fact it invites it. "This resolution is silent as to X" is expl...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:27 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

As far as I can tell, no such ruling exists. Possibly, I may have focused too much on GenSec's statement about 457's 'silence' as to the group, and based in what was then, a different version of my repeal. Considering that, I can probably strike the whole part about de facto exemptions entirely fro...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:07 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

Wait, now I'm confused. Is the intention of this plan to grant exemptions to groups(employers, schools, churches, etc.) or grant exemptions to specific nations(like mine or your's?) As defined, it's any of the above. You may submit legislation that says 'here's a new law & this law applies to a...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:58 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

I'm not trying to block. The ability to exempt is maintained. I'm just trying to make the process more transparent, so that every voter understands what, exactly, they are voting for. If anything, it's clearing the block. Mandates that no WA nation shall be subject to any future legislation that co...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:45 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

First of all, I have serious doubts about the legality of this; Second of all, how would exemptions be granted?; And lastly, I seriously doubt this plan will have my support, as the exemptions clause has way to little detail. If you specify, then a deal could be reached. I'm unsure about legality t...
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:32 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

Wallenburg wrote:Pure blockers such as this are illegal.

I'm not trying to block. The ability to exempt is maintained. I'm just trying to make the process more transparent, so that every voter understands what, exactly, they are voting for. If anything, it's clearing the block.
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:15 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [DEFEATED] Repeal Defending Rights Sexual Gender Minorities
Replies: 218
Views: 4494

This is the link to the preliminary draft that aims to address some of he issues raised in the repeal.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=460656
by THX1138
Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:02 pm
 
Forum: General Assembly
Topic: [Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions
Replies: 34
Views: 453

[Abandoned] On the Structure of Legislative Exemptions

This is a preliminary draft of an attempt to close the loop on the type of exemptions we will be discussing and voting on soon. In short, the proposal pushes for greater care in the types of legislation we impose on nations, and seeks to alleviate any legal burden the Assembly may place on them by n...
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