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by Salandriagado
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:09 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Engineers, scientists, teachers, architects, accountants, electricians, computer scientists/software developers, plumbers (Industrial plumbers specifically), water treatment plant workers, farmers, doctors, I could be here all day... I could be wrong, but aren't these skills retaught when you enter...
by Salandriagado
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:08 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No it doesn't. It teaches inductive reasoning. It also doesn't teach what I've been talking about from the start: thinking carefully and showing your work throughout.


Those aren't mutually exclusive.


Yes, but there is no formal deductive reasoning involved in engine maintenance.
by Salandriagado
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:08 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Geneviev wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Music theory absolutely cannot teach the kind of strict deductive reasoning that you get from mathematics.

Why not?


Because there is no such reasoning involved in music theory.
by Salandriagado
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 5212
Views: 72456

You say historically speaking, yet archaeological records and well documented Egyptian administrations shows there were no mass slaves of Israelites in Egypt at anytime. There might as well been just 60,000 males instead of 600,000. This kind of numerical innacuracy reflects in a wall killing 27,00...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:32 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go
Replies: 12475
Views: 168625

I also notice that you entirely ignored being called out on your claims about unelected officials. It would be better if you noticed that I never made neither of these claims originally . I don't see any obligation upon me to defend a claim I didn't make. As for this one that I chose to answer, eve...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:25 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 5212
Views: 72456

There would have been skeptics amongst them, it's an impossibility that every single one of the original readers completely accepted the Bible. So no, it isn't a "dumb assertion" at all. Except that I was referring to individual books (each of which had a SPECIFIC purpose), not to the doc...
by Salandriagado
Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:28 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go
Replies: 12475
Views: 168625

Then please write in your own words about examples of countries being "forced to vote against until they get it right" Ireland, 2008, treaty of Lisbon. Rejected the first time in referendum in 2008, and made to have another go at it in 2009. By Ireland's democratically elected government,...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:14 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Geneviev wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Elementary logic and abstract thinking.

Music theory could teach that too, while also having all of the other benefits from music (listening, working with other people, etc.).


Music theory absolutely cannot teach the kind of strict deductive reasoning that you get from mathematics.
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:56 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Does not teach any of the skills under discussion.


Deductive reasoning? Yes it does.


No it doesn't. It teaches inductive reasoning. It also doesn't teach what I've been talking about from the start: thinking carefully and showing your work throughout.
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:27 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Name one.


Small engine repair.


Does not teach any of the skills under discussion.
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:03 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Can you name another way to teach deductive reasoning?


By teaching literally any other subject that utilizes deductive reasoning. It's hardly exclusive to mathematics.


Name one.
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:52 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Can you name another class which hits that large a percentage of the population? No, the benefit of a core lesson, that everybody who was going to learn anything at all in any kind of lesson will learn, and which can't effectively be taught in any better way. English, perhaps, but no, not really. T...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:41 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

About 10% of the population. Plus, again, the "literally everybody" who get the core "learn how to think" benefit. So you mandate that 100% of students take a class in which the core subject benefits approx. 1/10 of them, and is a detriment to 9/10. Can you name another class wh...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:30 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Most if not all of the professional careers require at least some background in mathematics. Removing it from the curriculum is just setting yourself up for failure down the line. How many people do you think work in fields that require the level of mathematics taught in High School? About 10% of t...
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:19 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Elementary logic and abstract thinking.


Which is only learnable in math class?


There exist other subjects that could be used to teach it, but none are usually taught in schools, and none have as good side-benefits as mathematics.
by Salandriagado
Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:31 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: How Would You Improve the American Education System?
Replies: 526
Views: 7926

Higher level math can not be done with calculators, unless you mean advanced mathematics software. Still, somewhat agreed. If you require a calculator to calculate 456 x 789 it is not the end of the world. It does get worrying if you would not doubt your calculator if it said the answer was 42. Or ...
by Salandriagado
Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:07 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 5212
Views: 72456

Korhal IVV wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:How fucking condescending. But par for the course really. :roll:

Based on what standard? Your opinion?


Literally your only argument is "if you disagree with me, it must be because you don't understand". No. We understand, it's just that your arguments are dreadful.
by Salandriagado
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:29 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: MRA group NCFM wins case - Draft women, or repeal draft
Replies: 397
Views: 5197

The draft is bad. This ruling is good. The draft is, rather, an implicit requirement of social contract theory. Even if I disagree with social contract theory as a basis for law, it's pretty binding for any kind of republican government. What a ridiculous statement. Slave labour is not a requiremen...
by Salandriagado
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:28 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: MRA group NCFM wins case - Draft women, or repeal draft
Replies: 397
Views: 5197

You shouldn't also have to support killing or still be at the risk of being killed to be cared for by your government. Which is why if we ever have a draft we should have a National Civilian Service and a National Medical Service to serve in instead of the military. I don’t think you can argue that...
by Salandriagado
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:25 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: MRA group NCFM wins case - Draft women, or repeal draft
Replies: 397
Views: 5197

Rezmaeristan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fake news.


We have to be ready for anything. In the event that a war breaks out, we need our fighting-age population ready to be mobilized at a moment's notice.


You don't have that, and never will have that, and the draft has essentially zero effect on that. You also don't need it.
by Salandriagado
Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:57 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go
Replies: 12475
Views: 168625

Or, you know implement a free, preferential vote. Idea that parliament can't agree on anything is bull while May controls agenda of the parliament and refuses to put alternatives to actual vote. But we had a vote, you lost it. We don't have time to give you a second go now. Step 1: Run the clock ou...
by Salandriagado
Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:55 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: MRA group NCFM wins case - Draft women, or repeal draft
Replies: 397
Views: 5197

Well, historically, they did. There was even a long running TV show about drafted doctors. Was very popular and funny, as far as tv shows about war go. Historically they drafted men at random, and some of the men drafted were doctors. Or such is my understanding of how the draft worked. I want to k...
by Salandriagado
Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:52 pm
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 5212
Views: 72456

Calling the British population "devout" is... just wrong. The majority of people in the UK, including the majority of self-described Christians in the UK, do not believe in any form of god. How can they be "self-described" Christians and not believe in the god of Christianity? I...
by Salandriagado
Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:55 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)
Replies: 5212
Views: 72456

Personally, I have a religion (Christianity) but struggle to believe it, which most British people do not. I am British, and normally all of the British are devout Christians. Not me. I find it hard to believe (and quite frankly don't) that Jesus went around healing people by touching them. I strug...
by Salandriagado
Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:29 am
 
Forum: General
Topic: UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go
Replies: 12475
Views: 168625

Thanatttynia wrote:Is there a solution to the Irish border problem? I was under the impression there wasn't


Sure. It's called "revoke Article 50". It's only in combination with leaving the EU that it becomes a total impossibility.
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