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Mental health system muzzling Russia's political dissidents

Postby San Marlindo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:49 am

During the Cold War, it was standard practice in many communist bloc countries to send political dissidents who lodged complaints against the government to a psychiatric hospital, classifying their opinions as symptoms of a mental health disorder.

In the late '80s, I remember reading about a case in Romania where a man was diagnosed with "political paranoia" and accused of suffering a "persecution complex" after he demanded compensation for having his home seized by Nicolae Ceausescu's repressive regime.

With the rise of pop psychology, the utter proliferation and classification of new psychiatric disorders all over the world, and the knowledge that everybody at one point in their lives displays symptoms of a disorder - anxiety and depression being the most common - the Soviets and the Warsaw Pact governments apparently thought they could take it a step further: invent new disorders that pertain only to one's politics.

I pray the day never comes when merely holding a political opinion is grounds for a psychiatric evaluation, but this was a very real phenomenon under the Soviet Union and the ex-KGB agent currently dictating things from the Kremlin has decided to bring it back.

In April 2014, a man who took part in a peaceful demonstration in Moscow was declared legally insane and sentenced to indefinite psychiatric observation. Amnesty International him a prisoner of conscience and called his sentence a return to the Soviet practice of confining dissidents to psychiatric institutions.

Controversial Russian artist Pyotr Pavlensky cut off his own ear to protest "bureacrats in white lab cots" who "cuts off from society those pieces that prevent him from establishing a monolithic dictate of a single, mandatory norm for everyone", a reference to the state psychiatrists.

Most recently, a Russian court ordered a female Ukrainian soldier and POW captured by Russian forces during the Donbass conflict to undergo involuntary psychiatric treatment and be confined to an asylum. This treatment of a prisoner of war is especially barbaric.

There are dozens of similar cases in recent memory. Back in 2004 a human rights lawyer was also involuntarily institutionalized in a psych ward, as well as a journalist who published an article on the abuse of electro-shock therapy in Russian hospitals.

All in all, it seems that the political abuse of the mental health system is returning under Putin's government. What do you think of this NSG? Personally my opinion is that this is a step backwards for Russia and something that doesn't get nearly enough attention. The mental health profession was being ruined and politicized by the Soviet regimes, and now it seems that modern Russia is returning to that archaic order. I was especially shocked that a Ukrainian soldier was confined to a psychiatric hospital involuntarily, that is absolutely unacceptable treatment for a POW.

Is this indeed a step backwards to the dark days of Soviet bedlam house? If the trend of politicization in the Russian mental health system continues, will it jeopardize the treatment and diagnosis of those who legitimately suffer from various psychiatric disorders?
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Postby Populi-Terrae » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:51 am

Well, Putin has made it obvious that he is a fan of the Soviet Union. I wouldn't be surprised if he did take this tactic out of their playbook.
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Postby Kaedshi » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:55 am

Populi-Terrae wrote:Well, Putin has made it obvious that he is a fan of the Soviet Union. I wouldn't be surprised if he did take this tactic out of their playbook.

Source on this?
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Postby San Marlindo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:56 am

Populi-Terrae wrote:Well, Putin has made it obvious that he is a fan of the Soviet Union. I wouldn't be surprised if he did take this tactic out of their playbook.


I don't understand why so many on the far right like Putin so much, considering his overt Soviet-esque leanings.

Hopefully as things like this escalate and Russia begins to resemble the USSR again they'll wake up and get the message.
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Postby San Marlindo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:57 am

Kaedshi wrote:
Populi-Terrae wrote:Well, Putin has made it obvious that he is a fan of the Soviet Union. I wouldn't be surprised if he did take this tactic out of their playbook.

Source on this?


Putin once said the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the greatest geopolitical disasters of the twentieth century.
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Postby Kaedshi » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:07 am

San Marlindo wrote:
Kaedshi wrote:Source on this?


Putin once said the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the greatest geopolitical disasters of the twentieth century.

I see. How do you gather that the Soviet Union is re-assembling? Seems a bit unlikely.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:27 am

Clearly Russia is a nation worth pursuing friendly relations with.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:05 am

Ifreann wrote:Clearly Russia is a nation worth pursuing friendly relations with.


Statesmen have to be chill with a lot of disreputable regimes and people to get things done in the international community. We can't build a pillow fort and say that no nasties are allowed.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:16 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Clearly Russia is a nation worth pursuing friendly relations with.


Statesmen have to be chill with a lot of disreputable regimes and people to get things done in the international community. We can't build a pillow fort and say that no nasties are allowed.

Not with that kind of quitter-talk we can't.

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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:02 am

C.S.Lewis pointed out, in That Hideous Strength and elsewhere, that with a criminal sentence there is a definite terminus and then the person must go free. But with detention for psychiatric reasons, in the name of therapy, the person can be detained for years upon years with no terminus at all, since it is "therapy" and "for his own good."

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:13 am

Pope Joan wrote:C.S.Lewis pointed out, in That Hideous Strength and elsewhere, that with a criminal sentence there is a definite terminus and then the person must go free. But with detention for psychiatric reasons, in the name of therapy, the person can be detained for years upon years with no terminus at all, since it is "therapy" and "for his own good."

https://books.google.com/books?id=K99wC ... on&f=false

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That can actually be the case for some though, so I wouldn't dismiss the entire system.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:20 am

Russia abuses civil rights again news at 11
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Postby East Catalina » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:22 am

They still believe that anyone who doesn't think Putin is in range of being gr8 russian leader of his time is a nutbag?
We have that problem here but at least medical professionals know it's shit. Over there...leeeeeeeeeeel nope.
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Postby Of bald heads » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:31 am

Yea but the USA does it even more. Have you even read Foucault?

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Postby East Catalina » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:33 am

Of bald heads wrote:Yea but the USA does it even more. Have you even read Foucault?

Foucault was pushing horseshit. Tell me the last time Donald Trump was confined to a mental institution for opposing free trade.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:39 am

East Catalina wrote:
Of bald heads wrote:Yea but the USA does it even more. Have you even read Foucault?

Foucault was pushing horseshit. Tell me the last time Donald Trump was confined to a mental institution for opposing free trade.

That would've solved a lot of problems
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Postby East Catalina » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:53 am

Thermodolia wrote:
East Catalina wrote:Foucault was pushing horseshit. Tell me the last time Donald Trump was confined to a mental institution for opposing free trade.

That would've solved a lot of problems

Or created more of them, as a trump clone would have emerged to carry the torch.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:59 am

Thermodolia wrote:Russia abuses civil rights again news at 11

Be careful with that kind of talk or you will land on a the russophobics hitlist here on NSG.
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Postby East Catalina » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:00 am

Benuty wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Russia abuses civil rights again news at 11

Be careful with that kind of talk or you will land on a the russophobics hitlist here on NSG.

More hitlists the merrier, at least I know who's going to dash themselves to pieces running into me.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:03 am

What a strong and successful leader, so much better than our leaders, believe me./s

Anyway, just Russia being Russia I guess. I hope for the day when the current government is taken out of power.
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Postby Kartofian » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:58 am

San Marlindo wrote:
Populi-Terrae wrote:Well, Putin has made it obvious that he is a fan of the Soviet Union. I wouldn't be surprised if he did take this tactic out of their playbook.


I don't understand why so many on the far right like Putin so much, considering his overt Soviet-esque leanings.

Hopefully as things like this escalate and Russia begins to resemble the USSR again they'll wake up and get the message.


Care to elaborate? I was just wondering what you meant by "resemble", Resemble in terms of what? Surely not economic or domestic social policy.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:50 am

Interesting to know that. It may be reprehensible, but nonetheless, it is interesting how creative one can get with how to oppress your people.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:06 am

East Catalina wrote:
Of bald heads wrote:Yea but the USA does it even more. Have you even read Foucault?

Foucault was pushing horseshit. Tell me the last time Donald Trump was confined to a mental institution for opposing free trade.


Also the fact we shut down almost all our mental health institutions. We barely confine anyone anymore, even those we should, like people who want to shoot up schools and such.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:09 am

Russia shuts up political dissidents?

Well it's a good thing we don't have an upcoming president who loves Putin...oh wait.... fuck.

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