Italy Referendum

[Morgantown West Virginia]

The Italian referendum today will have a major impact on Europe tonight. The referendum is on reforms to Italy's Senate, and how it is elected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_c ... ndum,_2016

But, is seems to have turned to how PM Matteo Renzi says he will resign if the proposition on the ballot is rejected causing political instability, and how Italian banks could fail in that event.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nt-teeters

[New Werpland]

Why did (PM my bad) Renzi promise to resign if the referendum goes the wrong way? That sounds like a very bad idea to me.

[Luziyca]

The Italian referendum today will have a major impact on Europe tonight. The referendum is on reforms to Italy's Senate, and how it is elected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_c ... ndum,_2016

But, is seems to have turned to how PM Matteo Renzi says he will resign if the proposition on the ballot is rejected causing political instability, and how Italian banks could fail in that event.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nt-teeters

What is your opinion on that?

[ChicagoBoys]

The result should be No. The reforms are pretty mediocre at best and are far shorter reaching than the electoral reform the Chamber of Deputies had earlier this year. The only reason the PM threated to resign is he wanted to turn a referendum on some poorly planned reforms into a vote on his government. Smart on his part, but a terrible way to get Yes votes. Hopefully it loses, he resigns, the governing coalition falls apart, and a snap election under the new "Italicum" electoral law takes place. Sure, the Senate may still be a bit shaky after a snap election but the government would be far more stable than it is now if that were to happen

[Great Kauthar]

I'm predicting a no vote and then Renzi resigns. Hopefully what ChicagoBoys says is right and there will be a snap election, M5S would make some big gains and PD would be destroyed.

[Thermodolia]

Care to share your opinion on the matter OP?

[South Park Labourite]

Renzi will be resigning, sadly.

[Geilinor]

Why did (PM my bad) Renzi promise to resign if the referendum goes the wrong way? That sounds like a very bad idea to me.

He should have learned from David Cameron (but he made this promise before Brexit).

[The Alexanderians]

Hopefully they won't elect a porn star to their senate this time.

[Thermodolia]

Hopefully they won't elect a porn star to their senate this time.

This time?

[Risottia]

The Italian referendum today will have a major impact on Europe tonight.

Nope. It's not about Italy leaving or staying in the EU or in the EZ (btw, such referenda aren't allowed by Italian Constitution).

The referendum is on reforms to Italy's Senate, and how it is elected.

Not just that, but it is a major bit of it. It also involves reforms to the amount of legislative and administrative powers devoluted to Regions, and reforming the confidence vote needed to form a new cabinet.

But, is seems to have turned to how PM Matteo Renzi says he will resign if the proposition on the ballot is rejected causing political instability, and how Italian banks could fail in that event.

Which they won't as they're fairly solid (as certified by shakedown tests by the ECB), plus Draghi has already vowed to intervene should financial speculation attack Italy.

[Risottia]

The result should be ()

This site can be seen from Italy and the ballots are still going on. NO CAMPAIGNING DURING VOTING OPERATIONS - it is a serious breach of Italian laws and it could lead to Nationstates being blocked in Italy.

[The Alexanderians]

Hopefully they won't elect a porn star to their senate this time.

This time?

Italy had a porn star in their senate in the 70's

[Thoringrad]

Interesting fact: the reform will allow a referendum on EU permanence and the electoral law "Italicum" will make the victory of 5 star movement possible.

This site can be seen from Italy and the ballots are still going on. NO CAMPAIGNING DURING VOTING OPERATIONS - it is a serious breach of Italian laws and it could lead to Nationstates being blocked in Italy.

lolwut how is that campaigning?

[The Alexanderians]

The result should be ()

This site can be seen from Italy and the ballots are still going on. NO CAMPAIGNING DURING VOTING OPERATIONS - it is a serious breach of Italian laws and it could lead to Nationstates being blocked in Italy.

If that's the case Italian internet laws are even more asinine that proposed American ones.

[Thermodolia]

Interesting fact: the reform will allow a referendum on EU permanence and the electoral law "Italicum" will make the victory of 5 star movement possible.

This site can be seen from Italy and the ballots are still going on. NO CAMPAIGNING DURING VOTING OPERATIONS - it is a serious breach of Italian laws and it could lead to Nationstates being blocked in Italy.

lolwut how is that campaigning?

Italian election laws are extremely strict from what I hear

[Aclion]

Ah Italian politics, always fun.

Well except when they're not fun at all.

[Risottia]

lolwut how is that campaigning?

When on says "the outcome SHOULD be ... because etc etc" it is giving arguments in favour of one of the two choices, hence campaigning.

[Risottia]

This site can be seen from Italy and the ballots are still going on. NO CAMPAIGNING DURING VOTING OPERATIONS - it is a serious breach of Italian laws and it could lead to Nationstates being blocked in Italy.

If that's the case Italian internet laws are even more asinine that proposed American ones.

It's not "internet laws", it's a whole-country, all-media law. Total ban on campaigning starting on the eve of the election day. The last minute for campaigning was 23.59 of Friday.

[ChicagoBoys]

The result should be ()

This site can be seen from Italy and the ballots are still going on. NO CAMPAIGNING DURING VOTING OPERATIONS - it is a serious breach of Italian laws and it could lead to Nationstates being blocked in Italy.

I highly doubt it would lead to NS being banned. Even if it did, I have a right to free speech and as America still owns the internet your censorship is unconstitutional and could lead to America banning NS.

Regardless, No seems the likely outcome and every Italian needs to get out to vote and vote No

[Risottia]

This time?

Italy had a porn star in their senate in the 70's

Ilona "Cicciolina" Staller, elected for the Partito Radicale (right-wing libertarians) at the Chamber of Deputies (not Senate), and it was the '80s.

[Thermodolia]

This site can be seen from Italy and the ballots are still going on. NO CAMPAIGNING DURING VOTING OPERATIONS - it is a serious breach of Italian laws and it could lead to Nationstates being blocked in Italy.

I highly doubt it would lead to NS being banned. Even if it did, I have a right to free speech and as America still owns the internet your censorship is unconstitutional and could lead to America banning NS.

Regardless, No seems the likely outcome and every Italian needs to get out to vote and vote No

What the fuck? That made no sense

[Baltenstein]

Wait, people on foreign websites aren't allowed to state their opinion on the referendum's outcome, because it might get their websites banned?

Those are some rather crazy regulations.

[Risottia]

I highly doubt it would lead to NS being banned. Even if it did, I have a right to free speech

No, on NS you don't.

and as America still owns the internet

No it doesn't.

your censorship is unconstitutional

Quite not. Italian IP blocks are regulated by Italian laws that follow, of course, the Italian constitution.

and could lead to America banning NS.

Curiously, no. By American law, a privately-owned operation is perfectly free to set its own rules about speech. It's the US GOVERNMENT that's not allowed to censor PROTECTED speech. Note that not even in America every speech is considered "protected" by the First Amendment.

Regardless, No seems the likely outcome and every Italian needs to get out to vote and vote No

Cut it out now.

[Thermodolia]

Wait, people on foreign websites aren't allowed to state their opinion on the referendum's outcome, because it might get their websites banned?

Those are some rather crazy regulations.

Italian election laws are super strict