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Dialects and language variants in YN

Postby Ulan-Ata » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:42 pm

If your nation speaks a language that is also spoken in other nations (like RL languages) - what makes the way they are spoken in your nation different from the Standard?
(Like, for example, if YN speaks English, what makes it different from British/American/Australian etc. English?)

The language with most variance from the known standard in Ulan-Ata is Japanese. Mostly for historical reasons.
Ulan-Atan Japanese has a Kyushu dialect influence, like, for example, "da" (roughly: informal version of "to be", formal one would be "desu") is often put as "ya"; the "e" is often pronounced as "ye" (like: "pen" -> "pyen"). This also affects our spelling rules.
The "we" and "wi" sounds, considered outdated in Standard Japanese, are fully used in Ulan-Ata. So, a convenience store can be called a "kombini" as well as a "konwini".
The pitch-accent has been influenced by Serbian, which is shown by the frequent usage of the Serbian accent system (first syllable either rising or falling pitch; other syllables always have a rising accent; one-syllable words always have falling accent etc.)
In general, our Japanese variant has dropped some English and Portuguese loan words and introduced Serbian ones instead. So, for example, for "apartment", instead of "apaato", "sutaan" (from Serbian "stan") is used frequently, or "yebiga" ("jebi ga") instead of "dommai" (from "don't mind"). Also, the formal address form "druže" meaning "comrade" is occasionally referred to as "duruje" or "duruju."

On the other hand, the Serbian variant adopted some loan words from Japanese, such as "tombodama" (pearl - also used as a replacement word for "balls"), "arigato" (thank you), "bakajaro" (from "bakayarou" - idiot), "ćovakok" (from "kyouwakoku" - republic), "kampaj" (from "kampai" - cheers, lit. "dry glass").

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Postby Communist Guatemala » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:32 pm

We speak Guatemalan Spanish, which varies slightly from Castilian Spanish. This is due to the influence of indigenous languages on our Spanish.

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Postby GI-Land » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:42 pm

We speak German. GI-Landians mostly have an "Berlinian" influence of German except of Atlantis, our national capital. The people of Atlantis speak their own dialect, "Atlantic", which is defined by a smoother pronounciation of the German language and more words, that somehow connect to water or old water gods (because Atlantis was in the ocean, not so long ago, y'know?).
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Postby Leonorian Federation » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:09 pm

We speak German too. Our dialects are heavily influenced by those from Hesse and Bavaria/Franconia.
Our Czechs speak typically Prague dialect.

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Postby Halvarda » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:32 pm

Here, I made a quick silly map for our English dialects:
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Postby Astrolinium » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:27 pm

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Postby Auzkhia » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:54 pm

There are many languages spoken in the Empire, and even languages such as German, have many dialects, and some dialects are so distinct, one might consider them to be separate languages. German speaking Auzkhians have many dialects, and there are sociolects such as Schönbrunner German, which is different than Viennese, also spoken in the same region, and Viennese is part of the Bavarian dialect continuum, Bavarian is a set of related dialects spoken in the core states and Bavaria, which is then part of the Southern/High German group, which also includes Swabian (Württemberg, parts of Bavaria), Alemannic (Liechtenstein, Vorarlberg, and Baden, related to Swabian and Swiss German [Schwiizerdütsch]), Franconian (northern Bavaria). There are the middle German dialects, Saxon, Berliner, Luxembourgish, Kölnisch, Ripuarisch, Moselfränkisch, Hessian, Pfalzisch (Rheinland, Bavarian Palatinate, the source for Pennsylvania German), and also the low German dialect contiuum, which is known as Plattdeutsch (Plattdüütsch), which is northern Auzkhia, and somewhat related to Dutch (Niederländisch/Nederlands). Of course, other languages have many other dialects, the German language, however, is very diverse, because the historical Kleinstaaterei, Standard German (Hochdeutsch) was created after a need to unite all German speakers under a nation with a common educational system and state. Adopting a standard form of the language was the common thing to do at time, the standard variant in Auzkhia was based on many dialects to be neutral, and primarily used the dialect of Hannover for 'purity'. Standard German had history from Middle High German, a medieval language or dialect continuum of dialects south of the Benrath line, and north of the Benrath spoke Plattdeutsch, and this line help to distinguish German from other West Germanic languages.

Auzkhians, nowadays, use the standard forms, which are more literary and professional, dialects are spoken, and also sociolects (class-based), and rarely written. Dialects are stereotypically spoken by older people and the less-educated, as Standard German, Standard Italian, Standard Hungarian, Standard Czech, etc, have become more prominent in everyday life, but some words from dialects, or even loanwords in the dialect, are still used a slang (Gassensprach).
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Postby Devernia » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:40 pm

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Postby The Intergalactic Universe Corporation » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:09 am

Ulan-Ata wrote:If your nation speaks a language that is also spoken in other nations (like RL languages) - what makes the way they are spoken in your nation different from the Standard?
(Like, for example, if YN speaks English, what makes it different from British/American/Australian etc. English?)

The language with most variance from the known standard in Ulan-Ata is Japanese. Mostly for historical reasons.
Ulan-Atan Japanese has a Kyushu dialect influence, like, for example, "da" (roughly: informal version of "to be", formal one would be "desu") is often put as "ya"; the "e" is often pronounced as "ye" (like: "pen" -> "pyen"). This also affects our spelling rules.
The "we" and "wi" sounds, considered outdated in Standard Japanese, are fully used in Ulan-Ata. So, a convenience store can be called a "kombini" as well as a "konwini".
The pitch-accent has been influenced by Serbian, which is shown by the frequent usage of the Serbian accent system (first syllable either rising or falling pitch; other syllables always have a rising accent; one-syllable words always have falling accent etc.)
In general, our Japanese variant has dropped some English and Portuguese loan words and introduced Serbian ones instead. So, for example, for "apartment", instead of "apaato", "sutaan" (from Serbian "stan") is used frequently, or "yebiga" ("jebi ga") instead of "dommai" (from "don't mind"). Also, the formal address form "druže" meaning "comrade" is occasionally referred to as "duruje" or "duruju."

On the other hand, the Serbian variant adopted some loan words from Japanese, such as "tombodama" (pearl - also used as a replacement word for "balls"), "arigato" (thank you), "bakajaro" (from "bakayarou" - idiot), "ćovakok" (from "kyouwakoku" - republic), "kampaj" (from "kampai" - cheers, lit. "dry glass").

Mandarin dialects like Cantonese, Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka and the like are widely spoken too, as well as alien languages.
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Postby Anollasia » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:15 pm

English is typically with a more mid-Atlantic or neutral accent and spelling is similar to Canadian English but with a few differences (eg. aluminium instead of aluminum). There are harsher accents in rural areas in the east, north, and west (similar to Australian) but it's not common.

Turkish is pretty much the Istanbul standard, but there are accents similar to the Black Sea accent in the mountains of the north.

Anollasian is more proper in urban areas, but may be ''sloppier'' in rural areas.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:03 pm

Socialist Nordia's main language is New Norse, which developed from the Norse language, and has been subject to change after centuries of isolation and the introduction of numerous loan words, particularly from mandarin. There also exists a language known as Kinesisk, a creole form of Mandarin Chinese. Most of the population is at least bilingual, if not multilingual, as Nordian schools encourage students to learn foreign languages.
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Postby Yaramaqui » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:40 pm

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Yaramaqui is a linguistically varied country with the dominant languages being Yaramaquese, Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic in certain areas. Yaramaquese serves as the lingua franca across country, aiding in communication between the largest groups which are the Arab Muslims (36%) followed by Jews (32%), Druze (14%), and Christians (11%). The smaller groups which consist of the other 7% are Zoroastrians, Bahá´í's, Samaritans and others. The native languages amongst the Druze and Muslims typically tend to be either Yaramaquese or Arabic, with there being dialectal variations across the the country in both the spoken Yaramaquese and Arabic there. Christians in Yaramaqui tend to speak Greek along the coast but Aramaic, Arabic, or Yaramaquese in land as their native languages. Samaritans have their own dialect of Hebrew which is mutually unintelligible in comparison to spoken Hebrew varieties but for the most part is used in religious services most of the time, and their own unique variety of Arabic which is mutually intelligible to other spoken varieties around the area. The Samaritans speak two different Yaramaquese dialects which are generally intelligible with minor communication issues because they are split into two communities. The Yaramaquese Greek Varieties spoken are split into 4 dialects based on the geographic area. Yaramaquese as a language as a whole has one standardised language that is usually in official documents, some news networks, and is required to be taught in schools. The language is split into north, south, and central varieties. According to the Academy of the Yaramaquese language, there are 16 dialects of spoken Yaramaquese, with most of them being only partially intelligible to mutually unintelligible to Yaramaquese. Variation of Yaramaquese often results from differing levels of linguistic influence from surrounding languages from the communities around the International Autonomous region, differing groups of people who incorporate their vocabulary from non-Yaramaquese languages, and other factors. The Jewish community of Yaramaqui is often split into two groups, the Musta'arabim who have the tradition of residing in the Levant since exile, consisting of about 71% percent of the Jewish communities in Yaramaqui, and the "Returning Exiles" who came from other parts of the Jewish diaspora. Amongst the Musta'arabim, they predominantly speak Hebrew and Yaramaquese with some Aramaic speakers. There are two regional dialects of Yaramaquese Hebrew, with one variety spoken in the north of the country, and one spoken in the central and southern parts of the country. The "Returning Exiles" often speak either variety of Hebrew influenced by their traditions of pronunciation which vary depending on where in the Jewish diaspora did they come from. Amongst the Bahá´í people, due to their belief of one universal language, they tend to only speak Yaramaquese in their communities and to communities outside. Amongst the Arab Muslims, there are also multiple varieties of Arab dialects spoken in Yaramaqui, which depend on the region along with their varieties of Yaramaquese. The Yaramaquese Druze often speak an offshoot of a northern dialect of Yaramaquese Arabic across the country. The Christians along the coast speak four differing varieties of Greek which depend on the either of the 4 coastal Yaramaquese Christian communities one belongs to. In land, they often speak Arabic, with numerous villages around the northwest of the country still speaking their variety of Aramaic alongside with some Jews. The most popular foreign languages that people learn aside from the languages spoken in Yaramaqui are either English or French.
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Postby Gandoor » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:56 pm

English, in terms of spelling, is most similar to Canadian English, although some words utilize the American spelling. The general accent sounds like the standard American accent mixed with the accent of a native Japanese speaker who speaks fluent English. For example, the sounds for 'b' and 'v' sound very similar in English here and, to the untrained ear, can sound like a 'b' sound all the time, although it's more of an in-between of the two sounds. (So if someone from Gandoor said 'Happy Valentine's Day!', to someone not familiar with our accent, it would sound more like 'Happy Balentine's Day!')

However, due to the fact that Japanese is the second most spoken language here, English in Gandoor has many more loanwords from Japanese and there are some wasei-eigo (Japanese-made English) terms that are used in English here as well. In addition, since Russian is also an official language here and widely spoken, there are plenty of Russian loanwords used too.

Japanese is, basically, standard Japanese, although just like English, there are Russian loanwords used in it that aren't used in Japanese spoken in Japan and, due to the growth of the language here, there are Korean loanwords used as well.

Russian is a unique case here. At it's core, it's just Russian, but due to the fact that it's only spoken by about 61% of the population, there are numerous loanwords from English and Japanese that aren't used in other Russian speaking countries, so it's often regarded that Gandoorese Russian may not be mutually intelligible with other variants.

There's also the fact that while the Cyrillic alphabet is recognized as the official system for writing Russian by law and is taught in schools, it's very common to write Russian entirely using the Latin alphabet. For example, the famous 'Welcome to Gandoor!' tourism pamphlet available at all international airports on the front flap writes the title as 'Welcome to Gandoor!' in English and as ''ガンドアへようこそ!' (Gandoa e yōkoso!) in Japanese, but as 'Dobro pozhalovat' v Gandur!' in Russian instead of 'Добро пожаловать в Гандур!'.
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