by Petrolheadia » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:19 pm
by Socialist Nordia » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:31 pm
by Bogdanov Vishniac » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:32 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:The fact is, colonialism brought Western civilisational advances to the 3rd world. Would African or Oceanian nations used the Western advancements, such as democracy or railway, on their own?
Petrolheadia wrote:For some black or Asian people, colonialism might have even been beneficial. After that, instead of having to worry about stuff like crops failing or many diseases, they often had guaranteed food supply and access to Western medicine, sometimes having better healthcare than Western farmers or workers.
Petrolheadia wrote:And part of the reason why the 3rd World is what it is is that they are is the way they dealt with decolonization. Instead slowly getting independence, having aid in it from the West, they decided to decolonize quickly and stop working together with the West. And now they are getting the fruits of that approach.
by Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:34 pm
The fact is, colonialism brought Western civilisational advances to the 3rd world. Would African or Oceanian nations used the Western advancements, such as democracy or railway, on their own? Probably not. The fact is, such advancements were brought to them by the colonizators. They were the ones who inadvertably taught them how to build railway or do simple offive work, just because they needed the skills. There would probably never be stuff like the Australian democracy, Canadian capitalism or asphalt roads and highways through the Sahara.
by Greater Persian State » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:35 pm
by The Portland Territory » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:35 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:36 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Neutraligon » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:36 pm
by Even Less of Mackonia » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:37 pm
by Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:37 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Doesn't Abyssinia sort of prove that all of that could have been accomplished without colonization?
by Acarn » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:38 pm
by Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:40 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:I would agree. Now, there are many areas in the world where colonialism has been very bad, such as the Congo, but there have also been many other beneficial areas such as India
by Western Pacific Territories » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:40 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Doesn't Abyssinia sort of prove that all of that could have been accomplished without colonization?
My favorite part is the bit where even after isolating themselves for about as long as Japan they still managed to catch up in leaps and bounds without colonization.
But muh white saviors.
by United Marxist Nations » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:41 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:I would agree. Now, there are many areas in the world where colonialism has been very bad, such as the Congo, but there have also been many other beneficial areas such as India
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:42 pm
Western Pacific Territories wrote:Somebody could argue Ethiopia made those leaps and bounds because they were Christian.
It's not a argument Id support though.
by Atomic Utopia » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:43 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Doesn't Abyssinia sort of prove that all of that could have been accomplished without colonization?
My favorite part is the bit where even after isolating themselves for about as long as Japan they still managed to catch up in leaps and bounds without colonization.
But muh white saviors.
by Even Less of Mackonia » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:44 pm
Atomic Utopia wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:My favorite part is the bit where even after isolating themselves for about as long as Japan they still managed to catch up in leaps and bounds without colonization.
But muh white saviors.
Or Japan. They pulled themselves up, admittedly they engaged in trade, but they were not colonized or invaded by another nation.
Or how about Siam, they modernized rather rapidly as well, and again on their own.
Colonialism was counterproductive and damaging to our global society. So yes, colonialism was really that shitty, and you are wrong.
by Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:45 pm
by Socialist Nordia » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:47 pm
Take up the White Man's burden, Send forth the best ye breed
Go bind your sons to exile, to serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half-devil and half-child.
Take up the White Man's burden, In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple, An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit, And work another's gain.
Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace—
Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.
Take up the White Man's burden, No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper, The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter, The roads ye shall not tread,
Go make them with your living, And mark them with your dead.
Take up the White Man's burden And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better, The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:—
"Why brought he us from bondage, Our loved Egyptian night?"
Take up the White Man's burden, Ye dare not stoop to less—
Nor call too loud on Freedom To cloak your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper, By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples Shall weigh your gods and you.
Take up the White Man's burden, Have done with childish days—
The lightly proffered laurel, The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood, through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers!
by The first Galactic Republic » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:51 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Doesn't Abyssinia sort of prove that all of that could have been accomplished without colonization?
My favorite part is the bit where even after isolating themselves for about as long as Japan they still managed to catch up in leaps and bounds without colonization.
But muh white saviors.
by Aelex » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:52 pm
Socialist Nordia wrote:So basically, you're trying to say that all people outside of Europe were just backwards and inferior, and needed European "guidance" to improve them? Reminds me of something.Take up the White Man's burden, Send forth the best ye breed
Go bind your sons to exile, to serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half-devil and half-child.
Take up the White Man's burden, In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple, An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit, And work another's gain.
Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace—
Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.
Take up the White Man's burden, No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper, The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter, The roads ye shall not tread,
Go make them with your living, And mark them with your dead.
Take up the White Man's burden And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better, The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:—
"Why brought he us from bondage, Our loved Egyptian night?"
Take up the White Man's burden, Ye dare not stoop to less—
Nor call too loud on Freedom To cloak your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper, By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples Shall weigh your gods and you.
Take up the White Man's burden, Have done with childish days—
The lightly proffered laurel, The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood, through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers!
by The Emerald Legion » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:52 pm
by Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:53 pm
The first Galactic Republic wrote:The entire idea that colonialism brings people into the modern world is flawed. Europeans didn't build infrastructure out of the kindness of their hearts. They built infrastructure that helped extract resources and assimilate natives. The modern cities they set up were for trade, the rest of the country was still very rural. Not much of the money taken from the colonies ever really went back.
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