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Pioneering DV programs curing boys abusing their mothers

Postby Chessmistress » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:46 pm

It seems that in Australia they're doing it right, by taking the problem of toxic masculinity at its roots, when it begins:

Breaking the cycle by focussing on boyhood

In Queensland, more than 1,500 incidents of domestic violence were perpetrated by children aged between 10 and 18 years in the three years to December 2015, and the numbers are on the rise.


Leia Mackie, from the Ipswich-based Domestic Violence Action Centre, says it's not a new type of violence, but it's something that's being talked about more often.

'There wasn't a service out there that was addressing or being able to support these families to manage the dynamics that were happening at home,' she says.

With Dave Burc from Carinity, a organisation that specialises in dealing with child trauma, she set up ReNew—a world-first initiative to break the cycle of domestic violence by stopping it in boyhood.

They're now four weeks into the first 20-week program, involving seven families. The boys ages range from 9 to 17.

ReNew focusses on the beginning of abusive, controlling or coercive behaviours—whether it is threats, verbal abuse, intimidation, or punching holes in the wall.

Burc says violence used against a mother is a major risk factor for perpetrating domestic violence as an adult.

He says boys and teens who are violent in the home often don't get help until they enter the justice system
, but ReNew aims to intervene before the behaviour escalates.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... ns/7872350

I think that's a very good initiative for actively preventing violence against women, since it clearly begins in boyhood.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:51 pm

I'm glad that they're doing more to eleminate DV, but toxic masculinity? Seriously? I hate how this country just ignores the fact that 1/3 of its DV victims are men abused by women
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:55 pm

Australian Republic wrote:I'm glad that they're doing more to eleminate DV, but toxic masculinity? Seriously? I hate how this country just ignores the fact that 1/3 of its DV victims are men abused by women


you should probably look up toxic masculinity to see what it actually describes because it's not what it first sounds like

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Postby True Refuge » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:59 pm

There's so much emphasis in the OP that I'm starting to see the normal text as important.

This seems alright, if it's owned by a private charity group or something. If it's the government, I'd be happy with one sentence addressing female DV abusers, something other than a major woman's DV help advocate (whose name was in the newspaper but I forgot, sorry) saying that it only counts for a very small amount of cases without referencing anything. Probably because I get a tiny bit irritated when I see all the government DV ads on buses and such that exclusively, and I do mean exclusively, show male young adults as the abusers.

Just a sentence, and I'd be happy since there's practically nothing else. Otherwise good program, helping my country etc. General support from me. EDIT: Until everyone points out the flaws, that is.

Edit again: http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-0 ... cs/7147938

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Postby Giovenith » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:47 pm

I'm curious about whether or not this program would consider branching out to accept violent daughters too. I know from experience they exist, though they tend to come from the more extremely downtrodden parts of society. My mom had a friend whose teenage son and daughter would run around and do whatever they wanted because whenever she tried to stop them they'd physically overpower her - both of them were capable of it, and sometimes they'd work in tandem. Teenage boys obviously tend to be bigger and stronger than their moms so I can see why it would be more common for them, but teenage daughters can and tend to be equally matched with their mothers, and in the friend's case, take advantage of the drawbacks a parent may face from fighting their child back.

It's interesting because child-on-parent abuse is such a rare thing to begin with, however it's not hard to see it happening if the child manages to find themselves willing to do so. Adolescents regardless of gender tend to have a significant physical advantage over older people, and the more time passes, the more strong the child and the more weak the parent is just going to get with age. Mothers are the most common victims, but fathers who have some sort of disability or who have been outgrown by their sons can become victims too. This isn't even going into how a child may not even need to physically overpower their parents, but can find a variety of manipulation tactics given the right circumstances, even up to, "Do as I say, or I'll tell the cops you've been abusing me."

Overall I think it's a step toward the positive, but I'd like to see less an exclusive focus on sons physically abusing mothers and more about bringing awareness to the reality of child-on-parent abuse in general. While probably most of the cases brought in will be son-on-mother, it's better to kill as many birds with one stone as early as possible.
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Postby Chessmistress » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:23 pm

Giovenith wrote:Overall I think it's a step toward the positive, but I'd like to see less an exclusive focus on sons physically abusing mothers and more about bringing awareness to the reality of child-on-parent abuse in general. While probably most of the cases brought in will be son-on-mother, it's better to kill as many birds with one stone as early as possible.


Don't you think that it would be a waste of limited resources focusing on a very narrow minority of cases?
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done, I'm saying that in such initial phase it would be a waste of very limited resources: this is an experimental program, it have to show its worth before being accepted and extended even to less common cases.
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Chessmistress wrote:
Giovenith wrote:Overall I think it's a step toward the positive, but I'd like to see less an exclusive focus on sons physically abusing mothers and more about bringing awareness to the reality of child-on-parent abuse in general. While probably most of the cases brought in will be son-on-mother, it's better to kill as many birds with one stone as early as possible.


Don't you think that it would be a waste of limited resources focusing on a very narrow minority of cases?
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done, I'm saying that in such initial phase it would be a waste of very limited resources: this is an experimental program, it have to show its worth before being accepted and extended even to less common cases.



http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-0 ... cs/7147938
Other statistics are published by law enforcement and crime agencies.

Homicide statistics from the Australian Institute of Criminology show 75 per cent of victims of intimate partner homicide were female.

NSW police statistics for 2014-15 showed that 69 per cent of domestic violence assault victims were female.

The Victorian Royal Commission reported that in Victoria, three quarters of victims in family violence incidents attended by police were female and 77 per cent of perpetrators recorded by police were male.


The stats hover around 20-30% of victims being male, depending on state. That's a minority, yes, but definitely not a narrow one.

(Links to the police reports, stats etc. are in the article.)
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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:28 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Giovenith wrote:Overall I think it's a step toward the positive, but I'd like to see less an exclusive focus on sons physically abusing mothers and more about bringing awareness to the reality of child-on-parent abuse in general. While probably most of the cases brought in will be son-on-mother, it's better to kill as many birds with one stone as early as possible.


Don't you think that it would be a waste of limited resources focusing on a very narrow minority of cases?
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done, I'm saying that in such initial phase it would be a waste of very limited resources: this is an experimental program, it have to show its worth before being accepted and extended even to less common cases.

I'd say calling it a 'very narrow minority' is a claim that would need substantiation. Recall that we actually do have empirical evidence of a concerted sexist effort by feminists who study these things to protect female rapists and abusers from discovery. This would include daughters.

I don't think you've got sufficient evidence to make any kind of a claim regarding the frequency of female child perpetrated abuse.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:40 pm

True Refuge wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
Don't you think that it would be a waste of limited resources focusing on a very narrow minority of cases?
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done, I'm saying that in such initial phase it would be a waste of very limited resources: this is an experimental program, it have to show its worth before being accepted and extended even to less common cases.



http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-0 ... cs/7147938
Other statistics are published by law enforcement and crime agencies.

Homicide statistics from the Australian Institute of Criminology show 75 per cent of victims of intimate partner homicide were female.

NSW police statistics for 2014-15 showed that 69 per cent of domestic violence assault victims were female.

The Victorian Royal Commission reported that in Victoria, three quarters of victims in family violence incidents attended by police were female and 77 per cent of perpetrators recorded by police were male.


The stats hover around 20-30% of victims being male, depending on state. That's a minority, yes, but definitely not a narrow one.

(Links to the police reports, stats etc. are in the article.)

It's also worth noting that due to the sexist narrative put forward by Chess and people of her ilk, men who are victims of DV often struggle to get help compared to their female counterparts.

I'm not sure how much Australia struggles with this, and it may be somewhat country centric, but survey data in the US shows about half of all DV victims are men, and men who are victims of DV are more likely to be arrested than their female perpetrators.
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Postby Giovenith » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:45 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Giovenith wrote:Overall I think it's a step toward the positive, but I'd like to see less an exclusive focus on sons physically abusing mothers and more about bringing awareness to the reality of child-on-parent abuse in general. While probably most of the cases brought in will be son-on-mother, it's better to kill as many birds with one stone as early as possible.


Don't you think that it would be a waste of limited resources focusing on a very narrow minority of cases?
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done, I'm saying that in such initial phase it would be a waste of very limited resources: this is an experimental program, it have to show its worth before being accepted and extended even to less common cases.


No. The resources that are already being provided can easily be applied to and used for minority cases too, there isn't much fundamental difference between a son hitting their parent or a daughter hitting their parent, such cases would largely spawn from similar issues and receive the same treatment, so it's not as if effort put into solving violence committed by sons is getting less attention - because ultimately, the child's gender matters very little when it comes to disseminating this problem. Findings on into violence by daughters and violence by sons would likely be interchangeable.

The prevalence of child-on-parent abuse is also already so low that simply opening up the program to all possible cases that people wish to bring forward would hardly be some additional burden, especially if, as you claim, the cases involving daughters and/or fathers are so rare to begin with. No matter how little the numerical difference between the two may be, "helping everyone" always trumps "helping most."
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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:46 pm

I think it's a little fucking ridiculous to say a ten year old can perpetrate domestic violence.
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Galloism wrote:
True Refuge wrote:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-0 ... cs/7147938


The stats hover around 20-30% of victims being male, depending on state. That's a minority, yes, but definitely not a narrow one.

(Links to the police reports, stats etc. are in the article.)

It's also worth noting that due to the sexist narrative put forward by Chess and people of her ilk, men who are victims of DV often struggle to get help compared to their female counterparts.

I'm not sure how much Australia struggles with this, and it may be somewhat country centric, but survey data in the US shows about half of all DV victims are men, and men who are victims of DV are more likely to be arrested than their female perpetrators.


Well, there is a reasonable element of 'bloke' culture here, mainly being tough, big and strong, etc.

I would think that doesn't help with reporting getting beaten by someone either. (Whoa, irony, masculinity actually harms men in a way)
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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:53 pm

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Galloism wrote:It's also worth noting that due to the sexist narrative put forward by Chess and people of her ilk, men who are victims of DV often struggle to get help compared to their female counterparts.

I'm not sure how much Australia struggles with this, and it may be somewhat country centric, but survey data in the US shows about half of all DV victims are men, and men who are victims of DV are more likely to be arrested than their female perpetrators.


Well, there is a reasonable element of 'bloke' culture here, mainly being tough, big and strong, etc.

I would think that doesn't help with reporting getting beaten by someone either. (Whoa, irony, masculinity actually harms men in a way)

In a lot of ways, actually, but even more than that, there has been a feminist campaign against researchers who attempt to bring to light the rates of violence of women against men - including against their career, pulling government funding, even bomb threats when necessary.

Take a look.

Now, hopefully, most feminists don't approve of such things, but it has been a feminist tactic for years. As a movement, feminism isn't always about equality. Sometimes it works hard against it.

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Postby Giovenith » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:53 pm

Pandeeria wrote:I think it's a little fucking ridiculous to say a ten year old can perpetrate domestic violence.


Really? Because I've seen some pretty big ten year olds. One of my brothers is only 8 and he can already lift me, his mother, and his grandmother off the floor. While it would be much easier to ultimately overcome a violent child at that age, you're not going to get out without some bruises, especially if they're persistent.
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Pandeeria wrote:I think it's a little fucking ridiculous to say a ten year old can perpetrate domestic violence.


Really? Because I've seen some pretty big ten year olds. One of my brothers is only 8 and he can already lift me, his mother, and his grandmother off the floor. While it would be much easier to ultimately overcome a violent child at that age, you're not going to get out without some bruises, especially if they're persistent.


At the same time? :blink:

You should sell him to a circus....

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Really? Because I've seen some pretty big ten year olds. One of my brothers is only 8 and he can already lift me, his mother, and his grandmother off the floor. While it would be much easier to ultimately overcome a violent child at that age, you're not going to get out without some bruises, especially if they're persistent.


At the same time? :blink:

You should sell him to a circus....


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Seriously though, he could plow any one of us down if he really wanted to and he caught us off guard. A large reason of why child-on-adult abuse is able to happen is also because of the adult's reluctance to hit the child back, so even though I probably could take either of my brothers out with one solid punch to the face if they ever tried to go apeshit on me for whatever reason, I question whether or not I could bring myself to do it or if I'd just keep futilely trying to restrain them. And that's assuming they aren't crazy or violent enough to employ a weapon.
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Galloism wrote:
True Refuge wrote:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-0 ... cs/7147938


The stats hover around 20-30% of victims being male, depending on state. That's a minority, yes, but definitely not a narrow one.

(Links to the police reports, stats etc. are in the article.)

It's also worth noting that due to the sexist narrative put forward by Chess and people of her ilk, men who are victims of DV often struggle to get help compared to their female counterparts.

I'm not sure how much Australia struggles with this, and it may be somewhat country centric, but survey data in the US shows about half of all DV victims are men, and men who are victims of DV are more likely to be arrested than their female perpetrators.

Not to mention that children can be violent with all parents and regardless of their sex. My niece bit me two days ago while we were playing tag.

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Chessmistress wrote:It seems that in Australia they're doing it right, by taking the problem of toxic masculinity at its roots, *snip*


What is it with you and your "MEN ARE INHERENTLY EVIL" bullshit? Do you have any idea how harmful that is?
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Chessmistress wrote:It seems that in Australia they're doing it right, by taking the problem of toxic masculinity at its roots, *snip*


What is it with you and your "MEN ARE INHERENTLY EVIL" bullshit? Do you have any idea how harmful that is?

I don't think "knowing" is the issue. I think it's "caring".
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What is it with you and your "MEN ARE INHERENTLY EVIL" bullshit? Do you have any idea how harmful that is?

I don't think "knowing" is the issue. I think it's "caring".

Do you think Chess sees the parallels between her "TAME THE SAVAGE MEN" narrative, and the old colonial "TAME THE SAVAGE INDIANS" narrative?
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Souseiseki wrote:e: i tried looking it up and half of the articles are garbage, which is unfortunate actually


Because the entire concept of "toxic masculinity" is garbage.

The article in the OP is good, but the argument being made by the OP is once again just another sexist jibe at how inherently violent/evil all men are. Can she at least come up with an argument that doesn't involve tarring an entire gender and insinuating that all men are violent or rapists or whatever other bullshit she can think of.

It's also surprising that Australia is doing something right for once given how it seems to be fucking things up regarding environmentalism, immigration, treatment of young offenders etc.
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Galloism wrote:I don't think "knowing" is the issue. I think it's "caring".

Do you think Chess sees the parallels between her "TAME THE SAVAGE MEN" narrative, and the old colonial "TAME THE SAVAGE INDIANS" narrative?


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Galloism wrote:I don't think "knowing" is the issue. I think it's "caring".

Do you think Chess sees the parallels between her "TAME THE SAVAGE MEN" narrative, and the old colonial "TAME THE SAVAGE INDIANS" narrative?

I don't think so because she seems to think men are more savage by nature.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:58 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Camicon wrote:Do you think Chess sees the parallels between her "TAME THE SAVAGE MEN" narrative, and the old colonial "TAME THE SAVAGE INDIANS" narrative?

I don't think so because she seems to think men are more savage by nature.


...that's what the colonial narrative was. The idea that "x native people are savages and it's up to the white man to civilize them" is no different to "all men are savages and it's up to women (read feminists) to civilize them".
"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin

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