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After the Great Deluge (alternate history, OOC, open)

Postby SUNTHREIT » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:10 pm






The Story of The Great Deluge


It is the 1st of March, 2012- 50 years after the Great Deluge began, and 22 years since sea levels finally peaked. Earth has been ravaged by the wrath of the oceans, and human civilisation is a shadow of its former self.

The root cause of the Great Deluge can be blamed on one man- General Secretary Joseph Stalin, the dictator of the Soviet Union. In late 1952, with the arms race of the Cold War beginning, Stalin suggested to his highest officials that despite the USSR's pre-existing nuclear capabilities, it would be a wise idea to develop other weapons of mass destruction apart from nukes in an attempt to one-up the Americans. The top echelons of the Russian military went through a wide array of ideas and to a limited extent attempted many of them, but one proposal above all gained prominence- Project Perun.

Project Perun, named after the Slavic pagan god of thunder, was a plan to create a device capable of causing earthquakes. With the threat of seismic warfare as a deterrent, the Soviets believed that the West would have no choice but to refrain from aggression against the Communist bloc. It was thought that this in turn would greatly aid the expansion of Communism across the globe.

The project was top secret until 1962, when the USSR tested their seismic weapons and caused massive earthquakes (magnitude 7.9) off the coast of Kamchatka. This was partially in response to tensions resulting from the Sino-Soviet split, but at the same time the practical realisation of Project Perun was nigh inevitable regardless.

However, what the Soviet army did not realise was that their deeply unnatural earthquake had disturbed an enormous subterranean reservoir with enough water to massively increase the volume of the earth's oceans.

About a week after Project Perun made its grand debut, flash-floods were recorded across the sea of Okhotsk. Tens of thousands of people perished, and all countries affected declared a state of emergency. The Russians and the Japanese lead separate committees into investigating the source of the flooding, and eventually, despite Cold War rivalries, they united their efforts. It became clear that a subterranean reservoir had been disturbed by Project Perun, and that massive amounts of water were now flooding into earth's oceans. The information was to be kept secret for as long as possible

By 1965, sea levels had risen globally by a metre. The Dutch government declared martial law and moved its headquarters to the Dutch embassy in Brussels as Amsterdam was swamped, the Americans swiftly built a series of dykes and levies around Manhattan, San Francisco and the Potomac, the Vietnam war ended in a Korea-esque armistice on pre-war boundaries and the Communist bloc forcibly evacuated its people inland. The world was united against the rising tides, whether they knew where they came from or not. Hoping to further unite Americans in the face of disaster, President Lyndon B. Johnson (who had learned of Project Perun's great mistake from the Japanese) released information on the underground reservoirs to the public.

This caused panic across the world. Attempts were made by the UN, fuelled by popular demand, to try and sentence the military officials responsible for Project Perun's execution. When trials could either not be made or gave inconclusive results, the USSR gave them a show trial and executed many of them. Rapes, murders and riots became commonplace, with several death cults gaining prominence in the more liberal West by the end of the century.

By 1970, sea levels had risen by 9 metres. The Americans launched an invasion of Vietnam, swiftly destroying the North Vietnamese government as it struggled to evacuate Hanoi. The Khmer Rouge took power in large sections of Cambodia as the central government collapsed, eventually advancing into Thai border regions. The Eastern Bloc struggled to retain order, while the West struggled to keep survival efforts on top of public panic. Following the Indo-Pakistani war of 1971, East Pakistan was annexed by India.

From there sea levels continued to rise, with the rise growing exponentially. By 1974, sea levels had risen by 40 metres. The European Union took over governmental powers in its member states (excluding the United Kingdom, which refused and was promptly ejected from the Union) and declared martial law.

In 1978, with sea level rise approaching 120 metres the nations of the world led a series of submarine expeditions to determine the final extent of the sea level rise. It was expected sea levels would stabilise at about 700-800 metres above pre-1962 levels. The whole ordeal was coined "The Great Deluge", and was met with mixed reactions of relief and panic.

By the end of the 70s, millions of people across the world were dying (often with the help of drowning, starvation or government-provided cyanide tablets) and taking to the sea as pirates and refugees. China began damming the Yangtze upriver (it's unsure if they ever succeeded) and moved their capital to Chengdu after the annihilation of Beijing. Creeping sea level rise turned into a constant, marching flood. Switzerland and Austria closed their borders to millions of European refugees after their social systems were overwhelmed, and in response the European Provisional Government blockaded the two countries from all sides (except Titoist Yugoslavia, which eventually developed excellent relations with the two nations). The USA began to fragment as individual states focussed on their own survival, and the American capital moved to Denver. The government of the UK fled to Canberra after most major British cities were destroyed.

The 1980s were a blur. Human civilisation teetered on the brink of collapse and did indeed collapse in many places. Billions of people died, sea levels rose by hundreds of metres, countries descended into despotism or anarchy and rations were soon replaced by solemn apologies and cyanide pills. In some regions apocalyptic cults actually became governments and ruled over millions of people. In some places people of different races and religions were united by the disaster, while in other places people descended into genocide and squabbling. The peoples of North Korea, Israel, Albania and several other nations entirely disappeared, with nobody knowing where they went. Nations lost contact with eachother as civilisation degenerated.

By 1990, sea levels stopped rising. People across the world briefly celebrated, and then began the long process of rebuilding after the Great Deluge. Sea levels were expected to gradually decrease to more or less pre-Deluge levels over the next few million years, as excess water returned to underground sources and nature found equilibrium.


You will play as a nation, tribe or people living in this post-disaster world.



The World Today


Sea levels are between 700-800 metres higher than they are in our timeline, and this has caused many flow-on effects.

The world today is a ravaged, mysterious place. Contact is only just now being re-established between nations, and without electricity or wireless communication in wide use it is mostly limited to seaborne ambassadors. Not much is known about the world, although it is clear that the centres of global civilisation have shifted to the remains of Asia, Southern Africa and Western North America (now a reborn Laramidia). Many places are mountainous and geographically complex- Europe, for instance, is now largely a collection of islets and mountain ranges. The distinction between island and continent has, for all practical purposes ,been heavily blurred.

Resources are limited, although there is plenty to be found in some places (the Tarim Basin is the world's primary source of oil, and the Alps, South Africa and the Rockies provide large amounts of coal). People have generally become more resourceful by necessity, and conservation of resources is a very real concern in many societies.

With large swathes of agricultural land gone, famines are common and the global population is still in a state of lingering decline. With agricultural demand outpacing supply, hungry people across the world are beginning to look to the ocean as their staple source of food. While more fragile marine ecosystems such as coral reefs were devastated by the Great Deluge, commonplace fish such as Cod and Trout, along with other edible organisms such as seaweed, crustaceans and some marine mammals, are all thriving. Given that about 10% of the world is now covered by land, the oceans present all kinds of opportunities for post-Deluge humanity. Chicken has also eclipsed larger land animals in agricultural use due to its smaller size and faster maturation. Much of the world's fresh water is harvested from sea ice and put into artificial lakes, and rainfall is meticulously collected and saved.

Surviving technological advancement generally depends on how ravaged a region was by the Great Deluge and its effects. Some places are pre-industrial and even pre-agricultural, while some places maintain industrial technology and electricity for state use. Nowhere is really up to date with OTL 2012 technology or even 1962 technology, and the lack of long-distance travel and communications has decimated the rate of technological advancement.

The seas are full of raft-borne refugees, living off meagre diets of fish and seaweed, and pirates, who often use former naval vessels to prey on merchant ships and refugees. The sea has become something of a wild west, even as another age of discovery looms upon the world.

Climate is more oceanic and thus milder. The equator is cooler, and the poles are warmer. Parts of Western Antarctica and much of Greenland can now support human life year-round. There is also much more rainfall, meaning droughts and deserts are largely a thing of the past. A great lake has been formed by rainfall in the Tarim Basin,and the Great Salt lake (now salty only in name) has expanded massively. What remains of the world's rainforests are not only surviving but thriving.

Ocean currents flow across the earth largely uninterrupted, further moderating the climate. In tropical regions massive cyclones and storms are born in the vast oceans, and typhoons ravage places well into the earth's temperate zones. The salinity of the ocean has changed very little, although organic material from the flooded lowlands causes massive algal blooms every year.





What the Hell am I supposed to do?


You will RP as a state, nation, faction of people eking out an existence in a post-Great Deluge world. I'm okay with a lot of things, provided you keep it realistic. Personally I'd like to see a semi-fragmented USA, a thalassocratic Bolivia (just for the irony), a caucasus-dwelling USSR, a restored Ottoman Empire and a post-communist PRC among other things, but those are just some of my ideas. You can do anything you want within reason. In a world of oysters, the world is your oyster!

Just a few rules, however-
- remember to make reasonably good-quality posts. I'm okay with reasonable noobishness, but if you write like a ten year old I'm gonna give you a warning and kick you out after that.
- remember to keep realism going and act within the bounds of this RP's lore and situation
- don't be an arsehole or the mods might get you
- I don't accept reservations, just apps. Exceptions may apply for RP cronies.
- don't forget to have fun!




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[b]Your username and nicknames:[/b]
[b]Your nation of choice:[/b]

[b]Government type and leader:[/b]
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[b]Ethnic makeup:[/b]
[b]Location:[/b]
[b]Capital City (can be fictitious)[/b]
[b]Symbols (Flag, CoA, etc)[/b]

[b]Technological level (10 being electricity and fossil fuels used for essential industry and military, 5 being mostly pre-industrial with advanced technology used only for military means, 1 being stuck in the medieval era:[/b]
[b]Navy size and breakdown:[/b]
[b]Army size and breakdown:[/b]

[b]Rough population estimate (world population is somewhere around 900 million):[/b]
[b]Natural resources:[/b]
[b]Food sources and how regular shortages are:[/b]
[b]Major economic sectors and produced goods:[/b]

[b]Objectives, priorities and potential expansions:[/b]
[b]Brief history:[/b]

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Accepted nations -

- Sunthreit- The Federated States of Laramidia
- Plzen- The Confederation of Nordic States
- The V O I D- The People's Republic of China

In Accepting Limbo -
(essentially reserved, these people are either my cronies who are yet to app, or they have apps with flaws I am waiting to be addressed. Their limbo is finite and will last as long as I feel it should.)
- Sanabel- The Republic of Virginia
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Postby Cerillium » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:15 pm

Interesting concept, nicely presented. I'm overextended with RP already but I'll keep an eye on this.
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Postby The Intergalactic Russian Empire » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:22 pm

Would it be possible for Switzerland to still exist?
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Paketo wrote:
Alleniana wrote:'the Blacks in the region began to proliferate"
What? What does that even mean? Like, they took over and castrated all the non-blacks?


it means the baby daddies and their sugar mommas got busy and out produced the whites asians and everyone else

Apto wrote:
Aeternabilis wrote:Time for the Second Battle for Kongou's Body! Now with 3x the combatants!

That sounds so lewd when taken out of context. :rofl:
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Postby SUNTHREIT » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:31 pm

The Intergalactic Russian Empire wrote:Would it be possible for Switzerland to still exist?

Yes. The major cities are gone, but people have had time to migrate to higher ground and some villages already exist in unflooded areas.
Going off this as a source
I reckon the decently-large city of Engelberg might survive, you could have it as a capital.
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Postby The Intergalactic Russian Empire » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:40 pm

Sunthreit wrote:
The Intergalactic Russian Empire wrote:Would it be possible for Switzerland to still exist?

Yes. The major cities are gone, but people have had time to migrate to higher ground and some villages already exist in unflooded areas.
Going off this as a source

Nice
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Paketo wrote:
Alleniana wrote:'the Blacks in the region began to proliferate"
What? What does that even mean? Like, they took over and castrated all the non-blacks?


it means the baby daddies and their sugar mommas got busy and out produced the whites asians and everyone else

Apto wrote:
Aeternabilis wrote:Time for the Second Battle for Kongou's Body! Now with 3x the combatants!

That sounds so lewd when taken out of context. :rofl:
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Postby SUNTHREIT » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:36 pm

Your username and nicknames: Sunthreit, Sunth, OP
Your nation of choice: The Federated States of Laramidia (FSL), although foreigners tend to call them Americans instead of Laramidians.

Government type and leader: Constitutional Republic, very decentralised and composed of voluntarily-federated states. A revised version of the US constitution is in place, and provided the states of the federation follow its rules they can do pretty much anything. The President of Laramidia, who has no term limit and is elected every three years, is currently John Hickenlooper. State governors also play a large role in national government, and are elected on intervals between two and eight years depending on the legislature of the state in question. They are, by state:
Astoria (Washington-Oregon)- Mike Padden
Colorado- Adam Packard
Idaho- Benjamin Baehr
Kansas- Justin Barkley
Montana- Steve Bullock
Nebraska- Dorothy Lewis
Texas- Roger Van Horne
Deseret- Ed Mayne
Wyoming- Brian Mayes

Territories are placed under the rule of the President. Territories include Panhandle (formerly Oklahoma), Nevada, Acoma (formerly New Mexico) and Amidon (formerly North Dakota). A map containing states and territories can be found here.

State religion (if any): None. States are free to choose their individual official religion (if any), although they are constitutionally prohibited from passing legislation which positively or negatively discriminates against people based on religion. Most states are secular, with the exception of Texas ("Christian", all Christian churches have official status), Deseret (Mormon) and Wyoming (also "Christian"). Territories are secular
Official language and recognised languages: No official language exists at a federal level, although all states have some combination of the German, Spanish, English and native languages officially recognised. English is the primary official language in all States.
Ethnic makeup: 78.3% Non-Hispanic White, 3% Amerind, 5.7% Black, 8.2% Hispanic, 1% Asian or Pacific Islander, 3.8% other/mixed.
Location: http://i.imgur.com/wp2UjHy.png
Capital City (can be fictitious) Denver
Symbols (Flag, CoA, etc) The flag of the FSL is the Betsy Ross Flag. Its symbolism is one of heritage and history- the FSL has 10 states, not 13.

Technological level (10 being electricity and fossil fuels used for essential industry and military, 5 being mostly pre-industrial with advanced technology used only for military means, 1 being stuck in the medieval era: 8 in the states, 6 in the territories.
Navy size and breakdown: 60 ships- 30 patrol ships, 6 frigates, 12 destroyers and 10 transport/carrier ships
Army size and breakdown: 52,000 men, with 100,000-150,000 in casual state militias. 996 tanks are owned by the FSL, although many are in need of maintainence and are not being used. It has 2,400 AFVs and 8,000 transport trucks which are often used for non-military purposes, such as helping civilians in natural disasters and moving rescources from place to place, along with transporting government officials. The FSL has 55 MLSRs, which are also in need of maintainence, and 800 peices of towed artillery such as mortars. Equiptment is generally Vietnam war-era American guns and uniforms.
Rough population estimate (world population is somewhere around 900 million): 42 million
Natural resources: Coal, Copper, Oil (along the coasts), Silver, Zinc, Lead, Copper, Nickel, Gold, Timber, Fresh Water (via ice from winter, snow caps in the rockies and in already-occurring rivers. The great salt lake provides huge amounts to Deseret and surrounding areas), a lot of things
Food sources and how regular shortages are: It depends where you go. Montana, Texas, Amidon and Astoria seldom experience food shortages, while Arizona and Nevada often experience full-blown regional famines. Acoma's dryland farming system is generally a stable provider, but when it breaks down it tends to do so spectacularly.

Major economic sectors and produced goods:

Laramidia is quite the self-sufficient economic powerhouse, although states tend not to trade outside the FSL.

Agriculture is big in Texas and the East, logging is big in Astoria and the Rockies, mining is big in the Rockies, and fishing along with mariculture is big in all coastal areas. In places like Colorado and Deseret, artisanship-based manufacturing is making a comeback after the decline of industry. Manufacturing along with agriculture are massive in Amidon, which is a very populous territory full of refugees from the east and with rich soils for grain to grow in. There's also quite the finance and business industry as well, with the Denver stock market being one of the biggest in the known world (some say it's full of rich Mormons, and they're more right than you'd think).

Main goods include livestock, leather, manufactured clothing and furniture, arms, grain, coal, copper, precious metals and cod.

Objectives, priorities and potential expansions: Make Amidon a state, make efforts to irrigate Arizona and Nevada, send expeditions into Canada and Mexico, reconquer land of the former USA, stop secessionist sentiment in Deseret, annex the Olympia-Vancouver archipelago, (re)conquer California.

Brief history: The OP left us off at about 1980, when the USA had just successfully invaded Vietnam, and states were being granted autonomy as they all focussed on their own survival. The United States, while fragmented in administration and resource allocation, was more together than ever in spirit and will to survive. Legal progress regarding racial equality and social issues were going great as people united against the flood. The United States's motto was once again "E Pluribus Unum", both figuratively and since 1976 literally. When it was discovered that a significant portion of the earth's land would survive the Great Deluge in 1978, Americans experienced a bout of will to survive.

However, this would not quite be enough for the decade that was to come.

The East Coast and California were full of tent shanties after the flooding of coastal cities. They would slowly amble to higher ground as time went on, receiving government supplies as they went. However, there came a point when the seas were rising too quickly for them to be saved.

In 1980, the constitution was amended. Haebus Corpus could be suspended in the case of an "extraordinary natural disaster" if it posed a significant threat to public safety. First many new coastal states declared Haebus Corpus as they flooded, evacuated their populace and needed trial-free enforcement against looting, rape and murder, but by 1982 the federal government declared martial law for the first time since WW2. By this point, sea levels had risen by 260 metres, completely submerging 5 states and partially or mostly flooding dozens more. People were flocking to two refuges- the Appalachians and Western North America, now referred to as Laramidia.

By 1984, the USA was in a very bad way. The government, which had long ago fled to Denver, was losing control over the geographically separated east, and even in coastal parts of the west millions of people on the move were bringing anarchy to border regions. The states one by one shut their borders out of necessity, with the last to do so being Colorado (which was pressured by the US government not to do so) in late 1985.

By 1986 sea levels had risen by 470 metres, and the USA began collapsing. Millions of people were stranded on sinking islets in Arkansas, South Dakota, Wisconsin and New England, and while some took to the seas many eventually died. Electricity for civilian use totally shut down, causing millions more to suffer as infrastructure ground to a halt. Texas, Wyoming and other states began shooting refugees on sight, while other states refused to give them aid and simply allowed them to squat on their territory. Age-old diseases were making a comeback, especially water-borne ones like Cholera. Anticipating the flooding of Las Vegas, Nevada's government fled to the desert and left its citizens behind. The United States de-facto ceased to exist in the coming months, going to far as to declare a government-in-exile from Denver in 1988 (which was willingly housed by Colorado's government).

The last few years of the 1980s were cataclysmic. Law and order either broke down or was enforced by military dictatorship. Not only was Habeas Corpus disregarded, but the entire Constitution was also disregarded.

In 1995, after reestablishing contact with several neighbouring States, Colorado notified the US government that the chaos of the Great Deluge was now ending. The US government sent out a radio message for all willing to hear regarding a new union of states. Those that replied and expressed interest were to send negotiators to Denver, and the new union would be formed. All current states sent their leaders to Denver within the year, while states that expressed interest but were too chaotic to organise an expedition (such as Nevada) were notified to stay put and wait for help. In 1996 an event called Federation happened, forming the FSL, formalising a new constitution and formally dissolving the US government-in-exile. Military expeditions were sent to chaotic zones to aid former state governments and establish territories of the Federated States.

Since this time, states have been busy rebuilding. Many states try to go it alone and act self-sufficiently, but Colorado and her coastal neighbours will often trade and aid eachother when need be. Some States have growing secessionist movements, which worries Denver, but many believe that the old motto of "E Pluribus Unum" will be upheld in the years to come.

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Postby SUNTHREIT » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:47 pm

Also, the Map, IC and accepted members thing has begun. I hope this attracts more people to the RP, although this is a rather uneventful time of the NS year
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Can I get Japan and some areas?
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Postby Sanabel » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:01 am

Tag.
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Arvenia wrote:Can I get Japan and some areas?

Sure.
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Postby Plzen » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:22 am

Your username and nicknames: Plzen

Your nation of choice: Nordic States, the Confederation of

Government Type and Leader: Devolutionary parliamentary republic, indirect democracy; Chairperson of the Council Niels Rasmussen

State Religion: None

Official language and recognised languages: Official languages of governance are Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish; Finnish, Icelandic, Karelian, and certain dialects of Sami are also recognised.

Ethnic Composition: 70% Scandinavian, 19% Finnic, 6% West Slavic, 5% other minorities

Location: Roughly this general area. The Confederation has no clear borders, but exerts a very powerful influence - bordering on sovereignty - in the North Sea, Baltic Sea, Arctic Ocean, and what used to be the Northern European Plain, as well as clearly controlling the remnants of Iceland and Norway.

Capital City: Högvålen, Sweden. Once an irrelevant settlement with a few dozen people nestled in the mountains, it is now the the capital of the Nordic States, boasting a population of one million and the busiest port in Northern Europe.

Symbols: The Confederate flag is a golden Nordic Cross, with 5-2-9 horizontal and 4-2-4 vertical proportions, overlaid on a red background. In addition, the individual constituent nations that form the Confederation also maintains their national symbols.

Technological level: 9. Electricity is still relatively rare and reserved for the most advanced industries, but the highly-industrialised Scandinavian settlements consume 25 million tons of coal per year - most of it imported. Efforts to transition from fossil fuels have been made - due to the difficulty in acquiring coal - but have been generally unsuccessful due to the lack of sufficient infrastructural and industrial support.

Navy Size and Breakdown: The size of the Confederation's navy is difficult to estimate, due to the unclear distinctions between civilian and military vessels. It nominally only includes 12 corvettes, 6 submarines, 6 mine warfare vessels, 17 coastal defence craft, but a few dozen more civilian vessels are also fit for combat.

Army Size and Breakdown: The Confederation does not maintain a standing army, but rather conscripts a militia when necessary.

Rough population estimate: 17.49 million citizens. Although the Nordic States had plenty of time to relocate its population and industry to the Norwegian mountains, depressed birth rates combined with a general decrease in the standard of living has resulted in a moderate decrease in population from 1962.

Natural resources: There are a variety of natural resources available to the Nordic States, such as coal, zinc, etc., but fish and iron are the only natural resource available in plentiful quantities.

Food sources and how regular shortages are: Agriculture and animal husbandry are both significant sources of food, but primarily the Nordic States relies in the plentiful fisheries in its territory to feed its eighteen million people. In peacetime, shortages are very rare, but military clashes with neighbouring countries can jeopardise fishers' ability to exploit the seas.

Major economic sectors and produced goods: The economy of the Nordic States is primarily focused on industry and the services, with the primary sector making up only a small part of its net economic output. The Nordic States exports steel, fish, chemicals, heavy machinery, and petroleum.

Objectives, priorities and potential expansions: In order to protect its food security, the Nordic States seeks to enforce its territorial sovereignty over the seas surrounding its land territory. The Nordic States is also interested in securing its energy supply by aiding friendly regimes in what used to be Canada, the Ural mountains, and western China.

Brief history: The foundations for the creation of the Confederation was laid as early as 1964, when Sweden, Denmark, and Norway concluded the Scandinavian Relocation Treaty, allowing the Swedish and Danish governments - with no real mountains of their own - to relocate their population and industry into the Norwegian mountains. The resulting project - a huge government investments by all three countries to develop the infrastructure of the Norwegian mountains - provided a considerable boost to the economy, even while living standards progressively declined as more and more resources were dedicated towards evacuating the highly-populated coastal cities.

It was around this time when the concept of seaborne cities started to enter the minds of engineers. It was initially developed as a way of resolving the issue of transportation from Denmark to Norway. Unlike the Swedes, who could simply transport their infrastructure and industry by rail, the Danes had to do so by boat. Huge boats capable of transporting heavy industrial equipment was rapidly developed to try and salvage the expensive machinery of Copenhagen before it sunk beneath the sea. It was only a few years before engineers realised that these huge boats didn't actually need to go anywhere - they could simply serve as floating cities.

It was not very long before politicians had the idea of naming these ships after the sinking cities whose populations they were to house.

As it became clear that the rise in sea level will not simply be measured with meters, but by tens and eventually hundreds of meters, Finland admitted the impossibility of salvaging its country by simply using its low mountains to the north, and joined the Scandinavian Relocation Treaty in 1971. Like Denmark, infrastructural and geographic challenges prevented the Finns from evacuating entirely to the Norwegian mountains. So they, too, began building floating cities. Instead of unloading the machinery from the many train cars that were starting to pile up at the northern Finnish mountains, the Finnish government simply reformed them into improvised platforms, which eventually turned into boats. Iceland, seeking to benefit from the creative solutions developed by Scandinavia, also became a signatory of the treaty in 1978, the year in which the governments began the construction of new cities at the 750m mark instead of simply as high as practical.

Rations slowly became tighter, and critical supplies began to run low. In the midst of this crisis, the Governing Authority of the Relocation Project reformed itself into a sovereign entity to better manage the individual and often disorganised resources of the individual states, branding itself the Confederation of Nordic States, for which first elections were held in 1982. Högvålen was declared its capital, even though the town at the time still only had some five hundred residents and was geographically awkward, as it was predicted that it would eventually become a coastal city with good command over the Baltic Sea.

The 80s were also characterised by a horrifying number of refugees and plenty of chaos over the disappearing remains of Northern Europe. The Alps, where most Europeans evacuated to, and Scotland, where most Brits did, became horrifying scenes of anarchy and starvation. The Alps, simply put, could not sustain a population of almost three hundred million people. So, many took to the seas, hoping to find refuge in the Norwegian mountains, or simply turning into bandits and pirates.

Scandinavia, during this decade, was experiencing high social tensions, tight rations on everything, and the greatest energy shortage in its history. It was in no condition to take in refugees. The reaction of the Confederation was brutal. It is unknown exactly how many people were killed when the newly-formed Coastal Defence Force sunk thousands and thousands of crowded refugee boats, but most sensible academics estimate it at tens of millions. Pirates were, if not as numerous, at least as big a problem. With no real access to petroleum and with an increasingly tight supply of coal, the Confederation was simply unable to effectively protect its fishing boats, freighters, and floating cities.

The sinking of Roskilde, one of Denmark's larger floating cities, by pirates and the resulting death of almost ten thousand people - half the city's population - caused mass outrage across the Nordic States. The people demanded stronger, more militant action against pirates, which was simply impossible to deliver with the restricted naval resources of the Confederation. As a result, more and more floating cities began to arm themselves, becoming what some sarcastically referred to as civilian battleships. This change was most notable in the incident of 1989 when Jönköping, another floating city, engaged a British frigate controlled by bandits. Although the result of the skirmish was inconclusive and Jönköping suffered a few hundred casualties, the message was clear: the floating cities were no longer undefended targets ripe for loot and plunder.

This trend was not changed by the restoration of stability and the resulting recovery in living conditions.

E112




Just thought I might as well put down some additional information that might aid your understanding of the kind of nation I'm thinking of.

Petroleum exports: Norway IRL has offshore rigs that produce plenty of petroleum, but obviously this isn't a thing in this RP. The petroleum that the Nordic States exports comes from this instead.

Industrialised cities: Think 1918 New York with the occasional smattering of 1960s technology and you have a pretty good idea of what I envision Högvålen in this RP to be. The Nordic States is very heavy-industrial, with the related issues from pollution, mass politics, etc.

Civilian battleships: Need I say more?

Mass politics: Apparently a rapid rise in poverty and the perception that the government can't take care of their own triggers this sort of nonsense. Who would've guessed?
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Your nation of choice: 中华人民共和国 (Zhōnghuá rénmín gònghéguó [The People's Republic of China])

Government type and leader: Unitary multi-party parliamentary republic: The People's Republic of China is currently run by Chancellor Ming Fan executively, with the consent of majority of Parliament as well as majority-support election by the people. The People's Republic of China is a semi-direct democracy in some respects, with the people having much power in legislation via referendums, special acts, etc.; the Chancellor serves for life, as long as he or she has majority support of the people and their party or the Parliament both majority-support him or her. However, most power lies within Parliament, directly elected by the people in a unicameral fashion with representation that is proportional to a party's approval ratings by the people.
State religion: None, officially.
Official language and recognised languages: Traditional and Simplified Chinese, Mongolian, English, various others.
Ethnic makeup: 87% Han Chinese, 7% Mongolian, 6% other.
Location: The Gold.
Capital City: Lanzhou.
Symbols: Flag; Coat of Arms.

Technological level: 9-10.
Navy size and breakdown: The Chinese People's Navy has a few hundred ships and plenty of personnel to man them. Their ships are about similar in form and technology to pre-Deluge ships, making them rather formidable.
Army size and breakdown: The Chinese People's Army is about 2,000,000 strong and is well equipped/armed; however, food tends to be an issue at times, as does water, but the CPA makes do as much as it can.

Rough population estimate: 300 million.
Natural resources: It has somewhat better water filtration, still; so some water. Food is not very plentiful, but they are working on solving this issue; they have plenty of electricity and oil, though usually the former is and latter are reserved for government buildings (schools included).
Food sources and how regular shortages are: Rice fields and other various farms/fields; shortages occur somewhat often.
Major economic sectors and produced goods: Industry; metals, small vehicles, weapons, etc.

Objectives, priorities and potential expansions: The People's Republic of China intends to try and dig into their mountains and underground in general to try and set up massive underground farms; though, this may not work; alternatively, the Chinese government has considered (and their people have agreed) that they need to expand to try and look for as much leftover fertile land as possible. They may try to expand to take what is left of Asia, and maybe into Siberia's remnants as well as towards India, and Africa.
Brief history: The People's Republic of China nearly collapsed due to in-fighting and attempts at keeping control in a communist state. However, with Taiwanese and other nationalists, who wanted government over China anyway, coming in and spreading dissent and dissatisfaction with the current government, a revolt was imminent. Within a single year, the People's Republic in its old form had been destroyed and refounded. Now the People's Republic was truly representative of its namesake; it was semi-direct democratic, with referendums and the like happening as frequently as the seasons and such would permit. Parliament is unicameral and set up to proportionally represent the various parties founded after the Old Republic fell. The Chancellery is executive, but holds little real power other than formally speaking, diplomatic and military. Chancellors are selected by Parliament in a majority vote; or candidates are, if there are multiple. The people then vote in a referendum on whether or not the person should remain Chancellor.

These elections and referendum would continue happening every four to six years, with various other referendum and votes happening in between. The PRC has become very democratic and somewhat nationalistic; doing things diplomatically as long as they are in the best interests of the people. The PRC's flag is a combination of the Republic of Taiwan's flag, as well as the Old Republic's flag. The People's Republic of China is arguably one of, if not the, largest nation on Earth in terms of both population and land size. They are intent on expanding to take more of Asia, however, despite their democratic attitudes. The PRC is understandably in desperate need of larger quantities of food and water than it has for its population; however, they somehow manage to ensure no one (or, rather, not a huge number proportional to their population) starves.

RP sample: Need to look for one, unless I'm accepted without it.

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Reserve the island in Appalachia and the other nearby North American islands, as the Republic of Virginia.
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Plzen wrote:
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Your nation of choice: Nordic States, the Confederation of

Government Type and Leader: Devolutionary parliamentary republic, indirect democracy; Chairperson of the Council Niels Rasmussen

State Religion: None

Official language and recognised languages: Official languages of governance are Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish; Finnish, Icelandic, Karelian, and certain dialects of Sami are also recognised.

Ethnic Composition: 70% Scandinavian, 19% Finnic, 6% West Slavic, 5% other minorities

Location: Roughly this general area. The Confederation has no clear borders, but exerts a very powerful influence - bordering on sovereignty - in the North Sea, Baltic Sea, Arctic Ocean, and what used to be the Northern European Plain, as well as clearly controlling the remnants of Iceland and Norway.

Capital City: Högvålen, Sweden. Once an irrelevant settlement with a few dozen people nestled in the mountains, it is now the the capital of the Nordic States, boasting a population of one million and the busiest port in Northern Europe.

Symbols: The Confederate flag is a golden Nordic Cross, with 5-2-9 horizontal and 4-2-4 vertical proportions, overlaid on a red background. In addition, the individual constituent nations that form the Confederation also maintains their national symbols.

Technological level: 9. Electricity is still relatively rare and reserved for the most advanced industries, but the highly-industrialised Scandinavian settlements consume 25 million tons of coal per year - most of it imported. Efforts to transition from fossil fuels have been made - due to the difficulty in acquiring coal - but have been generally unsuccessful due to the lack of sufficient infrastructural and industrial support.

Navy Size and Breakdown: The size of the Confederation's navy is difficult to estimate, due to the unclear distinctions between civilian and military vessels. It nominally only includes 12 corvettes, 6 submarines, 6 mine warfare vessels, 17 coastal defence craft, but a few dozen more civilian vessels are also fit for combat.

Army Size and Breakdown: The Confederation does not maintain a standing army, but rather conscripts a militia when necessary.

Rough population estimate: 17.49 million citizens. Although the Nordic States had plenty of time to relocate its population and industry to the Norwegian mountains, depressed birth rates combined with a general decrease in the standard of living has resulted in a moderate decrease in population from 1962.

Natural resources: There are a variety of natural resources available to the Nordic States, such as coal, zinc, etc., but fish and iron are the only natural resource available in plentiful quantities.

Food sources and how regular shortages are: Agriculture and animal husbandry are both significant sources of food, but primarily the Nordic States relies in the plentiful fisheries in its territory to feed its eighteen million people. In peacetime, shortages are very rare, but military clashes with neighbouring countries can jeopardise fishers' ability to exploit the seas.

Major economic sectors and produced goods: The economy of the Nordic States is primarily focused on industry and the services, with the primary sector making up only a small part of its net economic output. The Nordic States exports steel, fish, chemicals, heavy machinery, and petroleum.

Objectives, priorities and potential expansions: In order to protect its food security, the Nordic States seeks to enforce its territorial sovereignty over the seas surrounding its land territory. The Nordic States is also interested in securing its energy supply by aiding friendly regimes in what used to be Canada, the Ural mountains, and western China.

Brief history: The foundations for the creation of the Confederation was laid as early as 1964, when Sweden, Denmark, and Norway concluded the Scandinavian Relocation Treaty, allowing the Swedish and Danish governments - with no real mountains of their own - to relocate their population and industry into the Norwegian mountains. The resulting project - a huge government investments by all three countries to develop the infrastructure of the Norwegian mountains - provided a considerable boost to the economy, even while living standards progressively declined as more and more resources were dedicated towards evacuating the highly-populated coastal cities.

It was around this time when the concept of seaborne cities started to enter the minds of engineers. It was initially developed as a way of resolving the issue of transportation from Denmark to Norway. Unlike the Swedes, who could simply transport their infrastructure and industry by rail, the Danes had to do so by boat. Huge boats capable of transporting heavy industrial equipment was rapidly developed to try and salvage the expensive machinery of Copenhagen before it sunk beneath the sea. It was only a few years before engineers realised that these huge boats didn't actually need to go anywhere - they could simply serve as floating cities.

It was not very long before politicians had the idea of naming these ships after the sinking cities whose populations they were to house.

As it became clear that the rise in sea level will not simply be measured with meters, but by tens and eventually hundreds of meters, Finland admitted the impossibility of salvaging its country by simply using its low mountains to the north, and joined the Scandinavian Relocation Treaty in 1971. Like Denmark, infrastructural and geographic challenges prevented the Finns from evacuating entirely to the Norwegian mountains. So they, too, began building floating cities. Instead of unloading the machinery from the many train cars that were starting to pile up at the northern Finnish mountains, the Finnish government simply reformed them into improvised platforms, which eventually turned into boats. Iceland, seeking to benefit from the creative solutions developed by Scandinavia, also became a signatory of the treaty in 1978, the year in which the governments began the construction of new cities at the 750m mark instead of simply as high as practical.

Rations slowly became tighter, and critical supplies began to run low. In the midst of this crisis, the Governing Authority of the Relocation Project reformed itself into a sovereign entity to better manage the individual and often disorganised resources of the individual states, branding itself the Confederation of Nordic States, for which first elections were held in 1982. Högvålen was declared its capital, even though the town at the time still only had some five hundred residents and was geographically awkward, as it was predicted that it would eventually become a coastal city with good command over the Baltic Sea.

The 80s were also characterised by a horrifying number of refugees and plenty of chaos over the disappearing remains of Northern Europe. The Alps, where most Europeans evacuated to, and Scotland, where most Brits did, became horrifying scenes of anarchy and starvation. The Alps, simply put, could not sustain a population of almost three hundred million people. So, many took to the seas, hoping to find refuge in the Norwegian mountains, or simply turning into bandits and pirates.

Scandinavia, during this decade, was experiencing high social tensions, tight rations on everything, and the greatest energy shortage in its history. It was in no condition to take in refugees. The reaction of the Confederation was brutal. It is unknown exactly how many people were killed when the newly-formed Coastal Defence Force sunk thousands and thousands of crowded refugee boats, but most sensible academics estimate it at tens of millions. Pirates were, if not as numerous, at least as big a problem. With no real access to petroleum and with an increasingly tight supply of coal, the Confederation was simply unable to effectively protect its fishing boats, freighters, and floating cities.

The sinking of Roskilde, one of Denmark's larger floating cities, by pirates and the resulting death of almost ten thousand people - half the city's population - caused mass outrage across the Nordic States. The people demanded stronger, more militant action against pirates, which was simply impossible to deliver with the restricted naval resources of the Confederation. As a result, more and more floating cities began to arm themselves, becoming what some sarcastically referred to as civilian battleships. This change was most notable in the incident of 1989 when Jönköping, another floating city, engaged a British frigate controlled by bandits. Although the result of the skirmish was inconclusive and Jönköping suffered a few hundred casualties, the message was clear: the floating cities were no longer undefended targets ripe for loot and plunder.

This trend was not changed by the restoration of stability and the resulting recovery in living conditions.

E112




Just thought I might as well put down some additional information that might aid your understanding of the kind of nation I'm thinking of.

Petroleum exports: Norway IRL has offshore rigs that produce plenty of petroleum, but obviously this isn't a thing in this RP. The petroleum that the Nordic States exports comes from this instead.

Industrialised cities: Think 1918 New York with the occasional smattering of 1960s technology and you have a pretty good idea of what I envision Högvålen in this RP to be. The Nordic States is very heavy-industrial, with the related issues from pollution, mass politics, etc.

Civilian battleships: Need I say more?

Mass politics: Apparently a rapid rise in poverty and the perception that the government can't take care of their own triggers this sort of nonsense. Who would've guessed?

Accepted. Lovely app.

Sanabel wrote:Reserve the island in Appalachia and the other nearby North American islands, as the Republic of Virginia.

Noted my boy

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Your nation of choice: 中华人民共和国 (Zhōnghuá rénmín gònghéguó [The People's Republic of China])

Government type and leader: Unitary multi-party parliamentary republic: The People's Republic of China is currently run by Chancellor Ming Fan executively, with the consent of majority of Parliament as well as majority-support election by the people. The People's Republic of China is a semi-direct democracy in some respects, with the people having much power in legislation via referendums, special acts, etc.; the Chancellor serves for life, as long as he or she has majority support of the people and their party or the Parliament both majority-support him or her. However, most power lies within Parliament, directly elected by the people in a unicameral fashion with representation that is proportional to a party's approval ratings by the people.
State religion: None, officially.
Official language and recognised languages: Traditional and Simplified Chinese, Mongolian, English, various others.
Ethnic makeup: 87% Han Chinese, 7% Mongolian, 6% other.
Location: The Gold.
Capital City: Kunming (legislative/parliamentary, judiciary); New Beijing (executive).
Symbols: Flag; Coat of Arms.

Technological level: 9-10.
Navy size and breakdown: The Chinese People's Navy has a few hundred ships and plenty of personnel to man them. Their ships are about similar in form and technology to pre-Deluge ships, making them rather formidable.
Army size and breakdown: The Chinese People's Army is about 2,000,000 strong and is well equipped/armed; however, food tends to be an issue at times, as does water, but the CPA makes do as much as it can.

Rough population estimate: 300 million.
Natural resources: It has somewhat better water filtration, still; so some water. Food is not very plentiful, but they are working on solving this issue; they have plenty of electricity and oil, though usually the former is and latter are reserved for government buildings (schools included).
Food sources and how regular shortages are: Rice fields and other various farms/fields; shortages occur somewhat often.
Major economic sectors and produced goods: Industry; metals, small vehicles, weapons, etc.

Objectives, priorities and potential expansions: The People's Republic of China intends to try and dig into their mountains and underground in general to try and set up massive underground farms; though, this may not work; alternatively, the Chinese government has considered (and their people have agreed) that they need to expand to try and look for as much leftover fertile land as possible. They may try to expand to take what is left of Asia, and maybe into Siberia's remnants as well as towards India, and Africa.
Brief history: The People's Republic of China nearly collapsed due to in-fighting and attempts at keeping control in a communist state. However, with Taiwanese and other nationalists, who wanted government over China anyway, coming in and spreading dissent and dissatisfaction with the current government, a revolt was imminent. Within a single year, the People's Republic in its old form had been destroyed and refounded. Now the People's Republic was truly representative of its namesake; it was semi-direct democratic, with referendums and the like happening as frequently as the seasons and such would permit. Parliament is unicameral and set up to proportionally represent the various parties founded after the Old Republic fell. The Chancellery is executive, but holds little real power other than formally speaking, diplomatic and military. Chancellors are selected by Parliament in a majority vote; or candidates are, if there are multiple. The people then vote in a referendum on whether or not the person should remain Chancellor.

These elections and referendum would continue happening every four to six years, with various other referendum and votes happening in between. The PRC has become very democratic and somewhat nationalistic; doing things diplomatically as long as they are in the best interests of the people. The PRC's flag is a combination of the Republic of Taiwan's flag, as well as the Old Republic's flag. The People's Republic of China is arguably one of, if not the, largest nation on Earth in terms of both population and land size. They are intent on expanding to take more of Asia, however, despite their democratic attitudes. The PRC is understandably in desperate need of larger quantities of food and water than it has for its population; however, they somehow manage to ensure no one (or, rather, not a huge number proportional to their population) starves.

RP sample: Need to look for one, unless I'm accepted without it.

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That territory seems like a bit much. Perhaps territories formerly controlled by the PRC would make more sense? This is an electoral republic founded not long after the near-end of the world, I doubt it would have had that much opportunity to expand so quickly. Also that army is massive, jesus.
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Postby Sanabel » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:22 pm

The Republic of Virginia will be a thalassocracy based around trade between the Appalachian islands, ruled by Ron Paul and his heir apparent Rand.
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Postby Plzen » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:29 pm

So we have a China, eh? :)

:twisted: Coal... :twisted: Coal... :twisted:

I imagine that the Deluge delayed China's economic development by a few decades, with interesting consequences on the power balance in East Asia.
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Postby SUNTHREIT » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:47 pm

Sanabel wrote:The Republic of Virginia will be a thalassocracy based around trade between the Appalachian islands, ruled by Ron Paul and his heir apparent Rand.

I like this idea a lot

Plzen wrote:So we have a China, eh? :)

:twisted: Coal... :twisted: Coal... :twisted:

I imagine that the Deluge delayed China's economic development by a few decades, with interesting consequences on the power balance in East Asia.

I hope we can get an India centred from the Bangalore megacity just to give the Chinese a run for their money tbh.
A post-USSR state in Siberia and Mongolia would be nice to see too.
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Postby Plzen » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:39 am

Made a short opening post about Greenland.

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Postby Plzen » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:46 am

OP, perhaps you should consider advertising in the RP advertisement thread?

I don't think we really have enough actors for a successful RP.

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Postby The V O I D » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:50 am

Sunthreit wrote:
Plzen wrote:
Your username and nicknames: Plzen

Your nation of choice: Nordic States, the Confederation of

Government Type and Leader: Devolutionary parliamentary republic, indirect democracy; Chairperson of the Council Niels Rasmussen

State Religion: None

Official language and recognised languages: Official languages of governance are Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish; Finnish, Icelandic, Karelian, and certain dialects of Sami are also recognised.

Ethnic Composition: 70% Scandinavian, 19% Finnic, 6% West Slavic, 5% other minorities

Location: Roughly this general area. The Confederation has no clear borders, but exerts a very powerful influence - bordering on sovereignty - in the North Sea, Baltic Sea, Arctic Ocean, and what used to be the Northern European Plain, as well as clearly controlling the remnants of Iceland and Norway.

Capital City: Högvålen, Sweden. Once an irrelevant settlement with a few dozen people nestled in the mountains, it is now the the capital of the Nordic States, boasting a population of one million and the busiest port in Northern Europe.

Symbols: The Confederate flag is a golden Nordic Cross, with 5-2-9 horizontal and 4-2-4 vertical proportions, overlaid on a red background. In addition, the individual constituent nations that form the Confederation also maintains their national symbols.

Technological level: 9. Electricity is still relatively rare and reserved for the most advanced industries, but the highly-industrialised Scandinavian settlements consume 25 million tons of coal per year - most of it imported. Efforts to transition from fossil fuels have been made - due to the difficulty in acquiring coal - but have been generally unsuccessful due to the lack of sufficient infrastructural and industrial support.

Navy Size and Breakdown: The size of the Confederation's navy is difficult to estimate, due to the unclear distinctions between civilian and military vessels. It nominally only includes 12 corvettes, 6 submarines, 6 mine warfare vessels, 17 coastal defence craft, but a few dozen more civilian vessels are also fit for combat.

Army Size and Breakdown: The Confederation does not maintain a standing army, but rather conscripts a militia when necessary.

Rough population estimate: 17.49 million citizens. Although the Nordic States had plenty of time to relocate its population and industry to the Norwegian mountains, depressed birth rates combined with a general decrease in the standard of living has resulted in a moderate decrease in population from 1962.

Natural resources: There are a variety of natural resources available to the Nordic States, such as coal, zinc, etc., but fish and iron are the only natural resource available in plentiful quantities.

Food sources and how regular shortages are: Agriculture and animal husbandry are both significant sources of food, but primarily the Nordic States relies in the plentiful fisheries in its territory to feed its eighteen million people. In peacetime, shortages are very rare, but military clashes with neighbouring countries can jeopardise fishers' ability to exploit the seas.

Major economic sectors and produced goods: The economy of the Nordic States is primarily focused on industry and the services, with the primary sector making up only a small part of its net economic output. The Nordic States exports steel, fish, chemicals, heavy machinery, and petroleum.

Objectives, priorities and potential expansions: In order to protect its food security, the Nordic States seeks to enforce its territorial sovereignty over the seas surrounding its land territory. The Nordic States is also interested in securing its energy supply by aiding friendly regimes in what used to be Canada, the Ural mountains, and western China.

Brief history: The foundations for the creation of the Confederation was laid as early as 1964, when Sweden, Denmark, and Norway concluded the Scandinavian Relocation Treaty, allowing the Swedish and Danish governments - with no real mountains of their own - to relocate their population and industry into the Norwegian mountains. The resulting project - a huge government investments by all three countries to develop the infrastructure of the Norwegian mountains - provided a considerable boost to the economy, even while living standards progressively declined as more and more resources were dedicated towards evacuating the highly-populated coastal cities.

It was around this time when the concept of seaborne cities started to enter the minds of engineers. It was initially developed as a way of resolving the issue of transportation from Denmark to Norway. Unlike the Swedes, who could simply transport their infrastructure and industry by rail, the Danes had to do so by boat. Huge boats capable of transporting heavy industrial equipment was rapidly developed to try and salvage the expensive machinery of Copenhagen before it sunk beneath the sea. It was only a few years before engineers realised that these huge boats didn't actually need to go anywhere - they could simply serve as floating cities.

It was not very long before politicians had the idea of naming these ships after the sinking cities whose populations they were to house.

As it became clear that the rise in sea level will not simply be measured with meters, but by tens and eventually hundreds of meters, Finland admitted the impossibility of salvaging its country by simply using its low mountains to the north, and joined the Scandinavian Relocation Treaty in 1971. Like Denmark, infrastructural and geographic challenges prevented the Finns from evacuating entirely to the Norwegian mountains. So they, too, began building floating cities. Instead of unloading the machinery from the many train cars that were starting to pile up at the northern Finnish mountains, the Finnish government simply reformed them into improvised platforms, which eventually turned into boats. Iceland, seeking to benefit from the creative solutions developed by Scandinavia, also became a signatory of the treaty in 1978, the year in which the governments began the construction of new cities at the 750m mark instead of simply as high as practical.

Rations slowly became tighter, and critical supplies began to run low. In the midst of this crisis, the Governing Authority of the Relocation Project reformed itself into a sovereign entity to better manage the individual and often disorganised resources of the individual states, branding itself the Confederation of Nordic States, for which first elections were held in 1982. Högvålen was declared its capital, even though the town at the time still only had some five hundred residents and was geographically awkward, as it was predicted that it would eventually become a coastal city with good command over the Baltic Sea.

The 80s were also characterised by a horrifying number of refugees and plenty of chaos over the disappearing remains of Northern Europe. The Alps, where most Europeans evacuated to, and Scotland, where most Brits did, became horrifying scenes of anarchy and starvation. The Alps, simply put, could not sustain a population of almost three hundred million people. So, many took to the seas, hoping to find refuge in the Norwegian mountains, or simply turning into bandits and pirates.

Scandinavia, during this decade, was experiencing high social tensions, tight rations on everything, and the greatest energy shortage in its history. It was in no condition to take in refugees. The reaction of the Confederation was brutal. It is unknown exactly how many people were killed when the newly-formed Coastal Defence Force sunk thousands and thousands of crowded refugee boats, but most sensible academics estimate it at tens of millions. Pirates were, if not as numerous, at least as big a problem. With no real access to petroleum and with an increasingly tight supply of coal, the Confederation was simply unable to effectively protect its fishing boats, freighters, and floating cities.

The sinking of Roskilde, one of Denmark's larger floating cities, by pirates and the resulting death of almost ten thousand people - half the city's population - caused mass outrage across the Nordic States. The people demanded stronger, more militant action against pirates, which was simply impossible to deliver with the restricted naval resources of the Confederation. As a result, more and more floating cities began to arm themselves, becoming what some sarcastically referred to as civilian battleships. This change was most notable in the incident of 1989 when Jönköping, another floating city, engaged a British frigate controlled by bandits. Although the result of the skirmish was inconclusive and Jönköping suffered a few hundred casualties, the message was clear: the floating cities were no longer undefended targets ripe for loot and plunder.

This trend was not changed by the restoration of stability and the resulting recovery in living conditions.

E112




Just thought I might as well put down some additional information that might aid your understanding of the kind of nation I'm thinking of.

Petroleum exports: Norway IRL has offshore rigs that produce plenty of petroleum, but obviously this isn't a thing in this RP. The petroleum that the Nordic States exports comes from this instead.

Industrialised cities: Think 1918 New York with the occasional smattering of 1960s technology and you have a pretty good idea of what I envision Högvålen in this RP to be. The Nordic States is very heavy-industrial, with the related issues from pollution, mass politics, etc.

Civilian battleships: Need I say more?

Mass politics: Apparently a rapid rise in poverty and the perception that the government can't take care of their own triggers this sort of nonsense. Who would've guessed?

Accepted. Lovely app.

Sanabel wrote:Reserve the island in Appalachia and the other nearby North American islands, as the Republic of Virginia.

Noted my boy

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Your username and nicknames: The V O I D / Void.
Your nation of choice: 中华人民共和国 (Zhōnghuá rénmín gònghéguó [The People's Republic of China])

Government type and leader: Unitary multi-party parliamentary republic: The People's Republic of China is currently run by Chancellor Ming Fan executively, with the consent of majority of Parliament as well as majority-support election by the people. The People's Republic of China is a semi-direct democracy in some respects, with the people having much power in legislation via referendums, special acts, etc.; the Chancellor serves for life, as long as he or she has majority support of the people and their party or the Parliament both majority-support him or her. However, most power lies within Parliament, directly elected by the people in a unicameral fashion with representation that is proportional to a party's approval ratings by the people.
State religion: None, officially.
Official language and recognised languages: Traditional and Simplified Chinese, Mongolian, English, various others.
Ethnic makeup: 87% Han Chinese, 7% Mongolian, 6% other.
Location: The Gold.
Capital City: Kunming (legislative/parliamentary, judiciary); New Beijing (executive).
Symbols: Flag; Coat of Arms.

Technological level: 9-10.
Navy size and breakdown: The Chinese People's Navy has a few hundred ships and plenty of personnel to man them. Their ships are about similar in form and technology to pre-Deluge ships, making them rather formidable.
Army size and breakdown: The Chinese People's Army is about 2,000,000 strong and is well equipped/armed; however, food tends to be an issue at times, as does water, but the CPA makes do as much as it can.

Rough population estimate: 300 million.
Natural resources: It has somewhat better water filtration, still; so some water. Food is not very plentiful, but they are working on solving this issue; they have plenty of electricity and oil, though usually the former is and latter are reserved for government buildings (schools included).
Food sources and how regular shortages are: Rice fields and other various farms/fields; shortages occur somewhat often.
Major economic sectors and produced goods: Industry; metals, small vehicles, weapons, etc.

Objectives, priorities and potential expansions: The People's Republic of China intends to try and dig into their mountains and underground in general to try and set up massive underground farms; though, this may not work; alternatively, the Chinese government has considered (and their people have agreed) that they need to expand to try and look for as much leftover fertile land as possible. They may try to expand to take what is left of Asia, and maybe into Siberia's remnants as well as towards India, and Africa.
Brief history: The People's Republic of China nearly collapsed due to in-fighting and attempts at keeping control in a communist state. However, with Taiwanese and other nationalists, who wanted government over China anyway, coming in and spreading dissent and dissatisfaction with the current government, a revolt was imminent. Within a single year, the People's Republic in its old form had been destroyed and refounded. Now the People's Republic was truly representative of its namesake; it was semi-direct democratic, with referendums and the like happening as frequently as the seasons and such would permit. Parliament is unicameral and set up to proportionally represent the various parties founded after the Old Republic fell. The Chancellery is executive, but holds little real power other than formally speaking, diplomatic and military. Chancellors are selected by Parliament in a majority vote; or candidates are, if there are multiple. The people then vote in a referendum on whether or not the person should remain Chancellor.

These elections and referendum would continue happening every four to six years, with various other referendum and votes happening in between. The PRC has become very democratic and somewhat nationalistic; doing things diplomatically as long as they are in the best interests of the people. The PRC's flag is a combination of the Republic of Taiwan's flag, as well as the Old Republic's flag. The People's Republic of China is arguably one of, if not the, largest nation on Earth in terms of both population and land size. They are intent on expanding to take more of Asia, however, despite their democratic attitudes. The PRC is understandably in desperate need of larger quantities of food and water than it has for its population; however, they somehow manage to ensure no one (or, rather, not a huge number proportional to their population) starves.

RP sample: Need to look for one, unless I'm accepted without it.

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That territory seems like a bit much. Perhaps territories formerly controlled by the PRC would make more sense? This is an electoral republic founded not long after the near-end of the world, I doubt it would have had that much opportunity to expand so quickly. Also that army is massive, jesus.


Sure, you can lower my territory to only old-PRC controlled territory.

And I figured the army would be pretty big, considering the rising Chinese nationalism and desire to expand their 'greater democracy'.

Also, I figured at most due to the Deluge, the Chinese population would be cut in half... so that means about 300 million pop. The PRC as it is today governs about a third of the world population, and so, it is understandably still politically influential. Economically speaking, it was slightly damage by the transfer of power as well as the Deluge, but it is starting to try and recover; they have working pre-Deluge tech, mostly reserved for military and government purposes, with minimal civilian tech really active.

Also, India's population when the Deluge started was 400 million-ish; assuming the Indian player does the same thing I did and halves, or even thirds, that population; that's about 100-200 million. India and China are likely the largest remaining nations, population-wise, if that's the case. It also means just by virtue of my PRC and whoever plays India just existing, 5/9ths of the remaining world pop is spoken for.

Then again, based on what remains of India, they may have to cut it into fourths or fifths.
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Postby SUNTHREIT » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:16 am

The V O I D wrote:
Sunthreit wrote:Accepted. Lovely app.


Noted my boy


That territory seems like a bit much. Perhaps territories formerly controlled by the PRC would make more sense? This is an electoral republic founded not long after the near-end of the world, I doubt it would have had that much opportunity to expand so quickly. Also that army is massive, jesus.


1)Sure, you can lower my territory to only old-PRC controlled territory.

2)And I figured the army would be pretty big, considering the rising Chinese nationalism and desire to expand their 'greater democracy'.

3)Also, I figured at most due to the Deluge, the Chinese population would be cut in half... so that means about 300 million pop. The PRC as it is today governs about a third of the world population, and so, it is understandably still politically influential. Economically speaking, it was slightly damage by the transfer of power as well as the Deluge, but it is starting to try and recover; they have working pre-Deluge tech, mostly reserved for military and government purposes, with minimal civilian tech really active.

4)Also, India's population when the Deluge started was 400 million-ish; assuming the Indian player does the same thing I did and halves, or even thirds, that population; that's about 100-200 million. India and China are likely the largest remaining nations, population-wise, if that's the case. It also means just by virtue of my PRC and whoever plays India just existing, 5/9ths of the remaining world pop is spoken for.

Then again, based on what remains of India, they may have to cut it into fourths or fifths.

1) The map just got updated and I have done so. good stuff
2) Yeah... I can see that happening. A lot of them might lack good equipment, tech and supplies with that many to support though.
3) Fair enough. I'd say "at most" is putting it lightly though, killing half of China given the famine and displacement is actually quite reasonable.
4) realistically India's way more screwed than you. Bangalore and Himalayan ground for millions to escape to is great, but where are the pastured required to feed all those Indians? Bangalore does provide a seat to which the gov and their military can move to, hence their potential competitor status, but you will have the greater pop
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Postby SUNTHREIT » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:20 am

Plzen wrote:OP, perhaps you should consider advertising in the RP advertisement thread?

I don't think we really have enough actors for a successful RP.

Good idea
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Postby The V O I D » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:22 am

Sunthreit wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
1)Sure, you can lower my territory to only old-PRC controlled territory.

2)And I figured the army would be pretty big, considering the rising Chinese nationalism and desire to expand their 'greater democracy'.

3)Also, I figured at most due to the Deluge, the Chinese population would be cut in half... so that means about 300 million pop. The PRC as it is today governs about a third of the world population, and so, it is understandably still politically influential. Economically speaking, it was slightly damage by the transfer of power as well as the Deluge, but it is starting to try and recover; they have working pre-Deluge tech, mostly reserved for military and government purposes, with minimal civilian tech really active.

4)Also, India's population when the Deluge started was 400 million-ish; assuming the Indian player does the same thing I did and halves, or even thirds, that population; that's about 100-200 million. India and China are likely the largest remaining nations, population-wise, if that's the case. It also means just by virtue of my PRC and whoever plays India just existing, 5/9ths of the remaining world pop is spoken for.

Then again, based on what remains of India, they may have to cut it into fourths or fifths.

1) The map just got updated and I have done so. good stuff
2) Yeah... I can see that happening. A lot of them might lack good equipment, tech and supplies with that many to support though.
3) Fair enough. I'd say "at most" is putting it lightly though, killing half of China given the famine and displacement is actually quite reasonable.
4) realistically India's way more screwed than you. Bangalore and Himalayan ground for millions to escape to is great, but where are the pastured required to feed all those Indians? Bangalore does provide a seat to which the gov and their military can move to, hence their potential competitor status, but you will have the greater pop


Points taken. I look forward to RPing. It's going to be interesting, to say the least.

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Postby Plzen » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:00 am

Considering that the world population sunk to almost one-third of what it was before, and considering how extraordinarily poor China was in 1960, I think saying that half their population survived is fairly generous.

Agrarian nations with an economy barely large enough to feed its population do not react well to situations demanding huge investments into new capital in transportation, agriculture, seafaring, etc.

I can see China with 300 million people, but that's probably as high as it can really get. Not to mention that the problem of poverty and starvation will be much harsher in China than it will be in countries with more advanced shipbuilding industries.
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Postby SUNTHREIT » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:03 am

Plzen wrote:Considering that the world population sunk to almost one-third of what it was before, and considering how extraordinarily poor China was in 1960, I think saying that half their population survived is fairly generous.

Agrarian nations with an economy barely large enough to feed its population do not react well to situations demanding huge investments into new capital in transportation, agriculture, seafaring, etc.

I can see China with 300 million people, but that's probably as high as it can really get. Not to mention that the problem of poverty and starvation will be much harsher in China than it will be in countries with more advanced shipbuilding industries.

I expect the more rural swathes of China to be hit by Mao era-style famines for a long time to come given the population tbh. It'd be in a state of decline without a doubt, and not due to development.
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