What is your "other" ideology?

[Gages Icelandic Army]

Primarily, I'm a Libertarian. I believe in their principles and I like their ideas. Sometimes me and Libertarianism butt heads on things like mental health care and National Surveillance, but for the most part, we're pretty tight. I tell you this because I don't want you to think that you have to be 100% bought into that ideology for it to be your main one.

Then I have my "other" ideology. Anarchy. I love the concept and the energy that backs it up. I love the arguments that people use to defend it. And I love the idea of absolute freedom and control of my destiny. I don't think it's very realistic. I wouldn't vote for an anarchist. But if someone were to insult it, I would defend it if possible. I tell you that because I don't want you to think that you have to be a major advocate for an ideology for you to respect it.

So NS, what's your primary ideology, and then what is your "other" ideology? This is an ideology that you don't necessarily adhere to, but that you respect or sympathize with. You would protect it from invalid or hateful arguments. Perhaps you read about it, or you do research on it just because you like what it represents. Maybe it would be your primary ideology, but because of todays society you simply don't find it applicable. It may just be that it has a fun historical context.

And don't be afraid to have a noticeable contrast. Maybe you're a commie, but you respect anarchy. Maybe you're a republican, but you can sympathize with libertarians. Maybe you're a greenie, but you could vote democrat. And don't be afraid to move outside of politics. Maybe you're a nihilist, who appreciates humanism. Maybe you're a determinalist, who wishes they were existentialist.

And as always, a friendly reminder to vote.

[Pandeeria]

I'm politically a Communist, ideologically I don't know what I am (though I've been called a Classical Marxist).

I don't have an "other" ideology. I think the concept of it seems silly, when there is an ideology I disagree with I shit on it and tear it apart. There are ideologies ranging from Fascism to Social Democracy that I disagree with, and while I find some ideologies more horrible than others, i don't see as any more tolerable or defendable. They're all terrible for different reasons.

[Gages Icelandic Army]

I'm politically a Communist, ideologically I don't know what I am (though I've been called a Classical Marxist).

I don't have an "other" ideology. I think the concept of it seems silly, when there is an ideology I disagree with I shit on it and tear it apart. There are ideologies ranging from Fascism to Social Democracy that I disagree with, and while I find some ideologies more horrible than others, i don't see as any more tolerable or defendable. They're all terrible for different reasons.

Interesting. So is there even an ideology that you find interesting?

[Socialist Nordia]

I'm politically a Communist, ideologically I don't know what I am (though I've been called a Classical Marxist).

I don't have an "other" ideology. I think the concept of it seems silly, when there is an ideology I disagree with I shit on it and tear it apart. There are ideologies ranging from Fascism to Social Democracy that I disagree with, and while I find some ideologies more horrible than others, i don't see as any more tolerable or defendable. They're all terrible for different reasons.

Interesting. So is there even an ideology that you find interesting?

I have always had a soft spot for communism, despite being centre left.

[Pandeeria]

I'm politically a Communist, ideologically I don't know what I am (though I've been called a Classical Marxist).

I don't have an "other" ideology. I think the concept of it seems silly, when there is an ideology I disagree with I shit on it and tear it apart. There are ideologies ranging from Fascism to Social Democracy that I disagree with, and while I find some ideologies more horrible than others, i don't see as any more tolerable or defendable. They're all terrible for different reasons.

Interesting. So is there even an ideology that you find interesting?

Interesting as in fun to think about? Yeah, pretty much any extremist ideology.

Any ideology interesting as in worth defending or caring about? No, not that I can think of.

[Skrepetopia]

I'm a libertarian/minarchist who is also a bit of a closet Covenanter.

[Skyhookedia]

I do love socialism,but my friends call me a "Authoritarian social democrat" because I'm all for the government controling everything from social issues to the free market kind like that USSR but without the stalinism.I believe that people who obey the law shouldn't be afraid of the government looking through there records and personal history that may seem crazy to some,but I look at the positives of things like less crime and less stupid/corrupt politicians and with the states controlling the means of production,we wouldn't have to worry about jobs going overseas and the USA will be it's glorious industrialistic self again.

[Settrah]

My primary ideology is probably fiscal conservatism. Y'know, the whole love for markets, tax breaks, public sector cuts and general dislike for deficit spending, I love all that shit.

My other ideology would the catholic teachings of distributism. I absolutely love the economics of it all, being anti-enlightenment in order to address problems with both capitalism and socialism, where everyone has the right to own property but at the same time limited monopolies. The thing that turned me away from it was the heavy emphasis on family life and a severe lack of individualism.

[Pandeeria]

I do love socialism,but my friends call me a "Authoritarian social democrat" because I'm all for the government controling everything from social issues to the free market kind like that USSR but without the stalinism.I believe that people who obey the law shouldn't be afraid of the government looking through there records and personal history that may seem crazy to some,but I look at the positives of things like less crime and less stupid/corrupt politicians and with the states controlling the means of production,we wouldn't have to worry about jobs going overseas and the USA will be it's glorious industrialistic self again.

If you want the state to control everything, including the means of production, you're not a Socialist.

[Gages Icelandic Army]

My primary ideology is probably fiscal conservatism. Y'know, the whole love for markets, tax breaks, public sector cuts and general dislike for deficit spending, I love all that shit.

My other ideology would the catholic teachings of distributism. I absolutely love the economics of it all, being anti-enlightenment in order to address problems with both capitalism and socialism, where everyone has the right to own property but at the same time limited monopolies. The thing that turned me away from it was the heavy emphasis on family life and a severe lack of individualism.

That would be the 2nd ideology I've never heard of on this forum. It's crazy how many schools of thought that are out there you wouldn't think of on your own.

[The New Sea Territory]

Anti-authoritarian strains of Marxism, such as autonomist Marxism, situationism or Luxemburgism.

I'm thoroughly an anarchist, but opening up to Marxism (as in, actually reading Marx and Engels, more than most anarchists) has allowed me to incorporate many of their ideas and subsequent Marxists' ideas into my understanding of anarchism and socialism.

[The Portland Territory]

My primary ideology is Populism, but I guess my "other" ideology would probably Libertarianism. I would most likely vote Republican, though, unless the Libertarian candidate actually had a chance

[Gages Icelandic Army]

My primary ideology is Populism, but I guess my "other" ideology would probably Libertarianism. I would most likely vote Republican, though, unless the Libertarian candidate actually had a chance

I can respect that. I'd still vote Libertarian tho

[Uxupox]

I would never vote for my "other" ideology. It's the epitome of evil.

[The Liberated Territories]

I have a secret soft spot for some radical pro-market left-libertarian ideologies such as agorism and sometimes mutualism, and occasionally fuse some of their arguments in with mine. Doing so has made it easier to defend against attacks from social democrats (a majority on this site.)

You can't really vote for those ideologies though!

[Gages Icelandic Army]

I would never vote for my "other" ideology. It's the epitome of evil.

Well what it is? And what's your primary one?

[The Great Devourer of All]

I'm a Democratic Socialist, but I've always had sympathies for Communism (especially Juche Communism), Anarchy, and Center-Left Democracy (quite a jumble, I know). Curiously, I've also always been attracted to Fascism, no matter how guilty that attraction makes me feel.

Corpocracy also makes a lot of sense to me, but I disagree with all of its hypothetical policies.

[The Eastern Conservatives]

My primary ideology is a libertarian-conservative. My ideal nation is a place with as much freedom as possible, but one that also stands on steady moral standards and has very little corruption. I believe that in a just system, hard work ought to be rewarded and laziness ought to be punished. Most things should be privatised, with exceptions to law enforcement among other things.

My other ideology, however, is pretty much the wild west with a little bit of ancient B.C. Israel. Everyone MUST own a gun. Law enforcement is nearly non-existent and what there is are sheriffs and judges only present in larger towns and cities. Justice is served by the victims or their assigned family "avenger", depending on whether or not the victim is alive. I could NEVER EVER support this ideology, but a curiously evil part of me wants to see it tried in another country. If I had an evil alter-ego, this is how he'd run his country. Basically, everything I believe in taken to the farthest extreme possible.

[Settrah]

I'm a Democratic Socialist, but I've always had sympathies for Communism (especially Juche Communism), Anarchy, and Center-Left Democracy (quite a jumble, I know). Curiously, I've also always been attracted to Fascism, no matter how guilty that attraction makes me feel.

Corpocracy also makes a lot of sense to me, but I disagree with all of its hypothetical policies.

First time I've seen someone support anarchism and juche.

[The Great Devourer of All]

I'm a Democratic Socialist, but I've always had sympathies for Communism (especially Juche Communism), Anarchy, and Center-Left Democracy (quite a jumble, I know). Curiously, I've also always been attracted to Fascism, no matter how guilty that attraction makes me feel.

Corpocracy also makes a lot of sense to me, but I disagree with all of its hypothetical policies.

First time I've seen someone support anarchism and juche.

Like I said, it's quite a jumble.

[The Forsworn Knights]

@OP I am genuinely curious, is there a difference between Libertarianism and Anarchism? If there is, I do not feel like there is enough of a difference to list them together.

Anyway, I am a Democratic Socialist. There is a very major difference between Demo-Socialism and communism, allow me to elaborate. Democratic Socialism is the belief that the Government has a social obligation to the people of their country. The concept of there being a Government-Run Fire Department, or Police Station is a socialist idea. What sets Democratic Socialism apart from the extremist practices of Communism is that rather than having the government own all businesses and enterprises to enforce a twisted sense of equality, Democratic Socialism believes that the government should own any businesses that can only responsibly and reliably be run without a profit motive- such as Police Departments, Fire departments, Hospital services, Pharmaceutical companies, Some but not all schools, and Prisons, while businesses such as Clothing Stores, Grocery Stores, Malls, software firms, law firms, etc should all be run by private owned companies and businesses who will of course have a profit motive to do well.

My secondary ideology would probably be Capitalism, as even though I despise Capitalism because of how shitty it always ends for those who arent lucky, it has proven to be a substantial enough placeholder to last quite a few decades.

[Gages Icelandic Army]

@OP I am genuinely curious, is there a difference between Libertarianism and Anarchism? If there is, I do not feel like there is enough of a difference to list them together.

Anyway, I am a Democratic Socialist. There is a very major difference between Demo-Socialism and communism, allow me to elaborate. Democratic Socialism is the belief that the Government has a social obligation to the people of their country. The concept of there being a Government-Run Fire Department, or Police Station is a socialist idea. What sets Democratic Socialism apart from the extremist practices of Communism is that rather than having the government own all businesses and enterprises to enforce a twisted sense of equality, Democratic Socialism believes that the government should own any businesses that can only responsibly and reliably be run without a profit motive- such as Police Departments, Fire departments, Hospital services, Pharmaceutical companies, Some but not all schools, and Prisons, while businesses such as Clothing Stores, Grocery Stores, Malls, software firms, law firms, etc should all be run by private owned companies and businesses who will of course have a profit motive to do well.

My secondary ideology would probably be Capitalism, as even though I despise Capitalism because of how shitty it always ends for those who arent lucky, it has proven to be a substantial enough placeholder to last quite a few decades.

Good question. Anarchist and Libertarians both believe that liberty is the ultimate value in the universe. Libertarians believe that government should respect that. Anarchist believe governments aren't capable of it.

[Socialist Nordia]

My primary ideology is a libertarian-conservative. My ideal nation is a place with as much freedom as possible, but one that also stands on steady moral standards and has very little corruption. I believe that in a just system, hard work ought to be rewarded and laziness ought to be punished. Most things should be privatised, with exceptions to law enforcement among other things.

My other ideology, however, is pretty much the wild west with a little bit of ancient B.C. Israel. Everyone MUST own a gun. Law enforcement is nearly non-existent and what there is are sheriffs and judges only present in larger towns and cities. Justice is served by the victims or their assigned family "avenger", depending on whether or not the victim is alive. I could NEVER EVER support this ideology, but a curiously evil part of me wants to see it tried in another country. If I had an evil alter-ego, this is how he'd run his country. Basically, everything I believe in taken to the farthest extreme possible.

>as much freedom as possible
>legislated morality

Pick one

[Pandeeria]

@OP I am genuinely curious, is there a difference between Libertarianism and Anarchism? If there is, I do not feel like there is enough of a difference to list them together.

Anyway, I am a Democratic Socialist. There is a very major difference between Demo-Socialism and communism, allow me to elaborate. Democratic Socialism is the belief that the Government has a social obligation to the people of their country. The concept of there being a Government-Run Fire Department, or Police Station is a socialist idea. What sets Democratic Socialism apart from the extremist practices of Communism is that rather than having the government own all businesses and enterprises to enforce a twisted sense of equality, Democratic Socialism believes that the government should own any businesses that can only responsibly and reliably be run without a profit motive- such as Police Departments, Fire departments, Hospital services, Pharmaceutical companies, Some but not all schools, and Prisons, while businesses such as Clothing Stores, Grocery Stores, Malls, software firms, law firms, etc should all be run by private owned companies and businesses who will of course have a profit motive to do well.

My secondary ideology would probably be Capitalism, as even though I despise Capitalism because of how shitty it always ends for those who arent lucky, it has proven to be a substantial enough placeholder to last quite a few decades.

Under Communism, the state is abolished and the community as a whole becomes de facto government. Businesses (if they can be called) that are owned and ran democratically by the working class. It's not the spooky boogeyman that lives in Lenin's closet that your working class-pacifying ideology would make you think.

Last note, capitalism is an economic doctrine, not a political system nor an ideology. And you are for capitalism. You support a mixed economy in which private entities (business men and the state) own the means of production.

[The Eastern Conservatives]

@OP I am genuinely curious, is there a difference between Libertarianism and Anarchism? If there is, I do not feel like there is enough of a difference to list them together.

There are very large differences indeed. Anarchists are extreme Libertarians who believe in the abolition of all government all together. This is not what a Libertarian is. A libertarian believes the the maximization of liberty in an environment that still has order. For example, in an anarchy, a police force would be privatised if there even was one at all. In a libertarian state, a police force and a legal system would be one of the few things taxes would be spent on. Another being a small military, which an anarchy would also not have, unless it was privatised.