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[DRAFT] Swearing By @@NAME@@

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[DRAFT] Swearing By @@NAME@@

Postby Katalaysia » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:24 pm

Okay, this is a pretty silly issue, and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been covered anywhere else. Any advice greatly appreciated. I'm not the fondest of the title if anyone has a better idea for it.

Name: Swearing By @@NAME@@

Description: Inspired by a slow news day, a local news channel has scoured the anthem and found a mild swear word in verse 17. Needless to say, people have gone overboard, filling your office in the hopes of getting something done about it.

Validity: Valid for all nations

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[option]"This is a moral outrage!" @@RANDOMNAME@@ declares, leading a band of pensioners who are glaring at you over their knitting, "How can I encourage my grandchildren to be patriotic when the national anthem is filled with such filth? We must ban it! Yes, I mean that song, immediately! And replace the song with an anthem more cheering for young children's ears. What would your mother say if she heard about this @@LEADER@@? What would she say? She'd have your mouth washed out with soap."
[effect] the anthem is replaced near daily as people find reasons that it's unacceptable for children
[stats]Political apathy decreases, social conservatism increases, culture increases

[option]"Honestly, no-one actually cared until today. In fact, I don't think they actually knew what the 17th verse to the national anthem was," your assistant says, looking over from where they're trying to fill out their tax forms, "Just change the word to fluff or something and continue singing the first verse and chorus as you normally do, and no-one will be any the wiser to how it swears even more later... did I say that out loud?"
[effect] linguists have mental breakdowns trying to understand the meaning of the national anthem's lyrics
[stats]Political apathy increases, youth rebelliousness increases, social conservatism decreases

[option]"So, you want an anthem that's fun, catchy, yet won't make the little kids have to shut their ears?" a business executive states, setting up a presentation and pushing everyone out of the way, "Then we've got just the service for you. For a reasonable price, we will make the perfect anthem, including highlights from all parts of @@NATION@@'s culture! After all, not having a great anthem is a shame on you as a nation."
[effect]@@NATION@@'s anthem is the new number one pop hit
[stats]Culture decreases, business subsidisation increases, political apathy decreases

[option]"Look, as you can clearly see, having a national anthem has only caused arguments," your brother says, from where he is quietly contemplating the world in your windowsill, "Why not get rid of it? People should be concentrating on their work and their glorious leader, not some song. Just get rid of the anthem completely, and we can focus on what's truly important here. Your bank balance."
[effect]sports teams walk on in stoic silence, no longer having an anthem
[stats]Culture decreases, political apathy increases, cheerfulness decreases, compliance increases, social conservatism increases
Last edited by Katalaysia on Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:19 pm, edited 6 times in total.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:38 pm

Description: Inspired by a slow news day, a local news channel have scoured the anthem and found a mild swear word in verse 17.

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Postby Katalaysia » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:43 pm

Thanks! Sorry, I'm really tired today for some reason (completely not because it's 10 at night...).
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:13 pm

It really isn't that hard to change one word while keeping the rest of the song.

Also, I definitely don't want my children to start thinking that it's acceptable to use "they" in the singular. That's the real issue here.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:30 am

Re: your validity criteria. I don't believe there is an issue establishing national anthems at all yet, though I drafted one a while back:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=366827

Looks like one of the editors has checked that one out, so may be a live issue one day.
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Postby Katalaysia » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:19 am

I could add an option to just change the word, or change option two to changing the word instead of getting rid of the verse, depending on what would be best, and I don't see how to word that option very well without some form of singular preposition, and I don't like the idea of making it gender specific.

Thanks for the information about the anthem! I'll keep it open for everyone until something changes on that issue.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:09 am

The obvious option missing here is to simply remove the swear word and move on like nothing happened. Of course, in most songs each word is there for a reason, and making your national anthem the verbal equivalent of Swiss cheese is, well, going to be a bit jarring. :p

I'd have that replace either option 2 or 3. Option 2 because it's advocating something very similar (although I very much like that option) and option 3 because it's basically the same thing as option 1. Of course, you can ignore this and simply put that as a 5th option.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:08 am

I think "Swearing by @@NAME@@" would be a better title
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:18 pm

Katalaysia wrote:I could add an option to just change the word, or change option two to changing the word instead of getting rid of the verse, depending on what would be best, and I don't see how to word that option very well without some form of singular preposition, and I don't like the idea of making it gender specific.

Thanks for the information about the anthem! I'll keep it open for everyone until something changes on that issue.


Loving your work generally, btw, please don't be discouraged.

Also, to be clear, until an issue is published there's no question of duplication. I did my National Anthem issue because I noted there was a gap in that area, and I felt we ought to have an issue on it. It's actually not one of my favorite issues, and I'd be happy for it to be replaced.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:59 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Katalaysia wrote:I could add an option to just change the word, or change option two to changing the word instead of getting rid of the verse, depending on what would be best, and I don't see how to word that option very well without some form of singular preposition, and I don't like the idea of making it gender specific.

Thanks for the information about the anthem! I'll keep it open for everyone until something changes on that issue.


Loving your work generally, btw, please don't be discouraged.

Also, to be clear, until an issue is published there's no question of duplication. I did my National Anthem issue because I noted there was a gap in that area, and I felt we ought to have an issue on it. It's actually not one of my favorite issues, and I'd be happy for it to be replaced.


To add to this, sometimes there are lots of drafts posted for the same topic. Not duplication unless it was one very recently put on the forum/still on the front page or if there already is an issue under it.

I think you should still make this one a thing. It's a good draft. :)
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:22 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Katalaysia wrote:I could add an option to just change the word, or change option two to changing the word instead of getting rid of the verse, depending on what would be best, and I don't see how to word that option very well without some form of singular preposition, and I don't like the idea of making it gender specific.

Thanks for the information about the anthem! I'll keep it open for everyone until something changes on that issue.


Loving your work generally, btw, please don't be discouraged.

Also, to be clear, until an issue is published there's no question of duplication. I did my National Anthem issue because I noted there was a gap in that area, and I felt we ought to have an issue on it. It's actually not one of my favorite issues, and I'd be happy for it to be replaced.


There's many different issues surrounding a national anthem so we can always have more than one issue about an anthem. This is a rather unique issue about the subject and a good and well written issue.
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Postby Nouvel Acadie » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:45 pm

I don't see an option for leaving it exactly the way it is...what's wrong with exposing the kids to a little realism? Tough sh*t on the Puritans among us....

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Postby Katalaysia » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:51 am

I did consider including an option to leave it, but I couldn't really think of any results from that that would be any different from just pressing the Dismiss button.

Still can't decide whether to change the second option to be just removing the word or whether to make it a five option issue. Leaning towards the former at the moment.
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Postby Hansdeltania » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:19 am

Option 1: "their" is only suitable for plural possessives, meaning that there have to be two or more people. If you get rid of "their," you need to replace it with "he" or "she." However, you could do a group of elderly citizens if you want to keep "their" there.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:29 am

Katalaysia wrote:I did consider including an option to leave it, but I couldn't really think of any results from that that would be any different from just pressing the Dismiss button.

Still can't decide whether to change the second option to be just removing the word or whether to make it a five option issue. Leaning towards the former at the moment.


Not everyone will agree with me on this, but my "standard format" rule of thumb is:

Yes/no Issue: Three options: Yes, No, Third Way.
Here's a situation Issue: 3 options, with no overlap in approach, plus 1 crazy option for humour.
Pick from a list Issue: 5-6 options, with no more than 2 lines per option.
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Postby Katalaysia » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:14 pm

Decided to go for changing option two to be just changing the word, and adjusted option one to get rid of the problematic singular 'they'.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:43 pm

Katalaysia wrote:Decided to go for changing option two to be just changing the word, and adjusted option one to get rid of the problematic singular 'they'.


I think it works quite well now, although the effect line doesn't really make sense now. Why would children try to memorize a national anthem for swearing purposes if there are no swear words in there? Maybe you should have it be something like "linguists have mental breakdowns trying to figure out the meaning of the national anthem's lyrics".
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:47 am

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:51 am

Australian Republic wrote:Swearing by @@NAME@@


Heh, can't believe we missed that till now.

Can I suggest as well, maybe...?

"I Swear To Thee, My Country"
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:58 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Swearing by @@NAME@@


Heh, can't believe we missed that till now.

Can I suggest as well, maybe...?

"I Swear To Thee, My Country"

Really? I picked it up ages ago but left it hoping Kata will realise him/her self
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Postby Katalaysia » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:25 am

What do you mean? It's always been 'Swearing by @@NAME@@. :p

I don't know how I missed that either. I knew I should have double checked before I changed it. (By the way, it's she/her, just to let you know)
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:01 pm

Katalaysia wrote:What do you mean? It's always been 'Swearing by @@NAME@@. :p

I don't know how I missed that either. I knew I should have double checked before I changed it. (By the way, it's she/her, just to let you know)

Difference between he/she and she/ he?
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Postby Katalaysia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:17 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:
Katalaysia wrote:Decided to go for changing option two to be just changing the word, and adjusted option one to get rid of the problematic singular 'they'.


I think it works quite well now, although the effect line doesn't really make sense now. Why would children try to memorize a national anthem for swearing purposes if there are no swear words in there? Maybe you should have it be something like "linguists have mental breakdowns trying to figure out the meaning of the national anthem's lyrics".


I left it like that because it implied that only one of the words was changed, and the rest were left the same, but honestly I prefer your effect line, so I'll go with that.
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