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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:55 am

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/transgender-womans-mutilated-body-found-8638180

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The badly mutilated body of a young transgender woman who went missing last week has been found BURNT by the side of a road in Istanbul.

It is the latest in a series of hate crimes in Turkey shocking the LGBT and international community.

Sex worker Hande Kader was last seen getting into a client's car - and her partner raised the alarm and filed a missing persons' report when she did not return last week.

Despite being badly mutilated, the 22-year-old's body - found in the upmarket neighbourhood of Zekeriyakoy - was finally identified by prosthetics at the city morgue.

Politically active, Kader had been photographed participating in protests and demonstrations for LGBT rights.

The body of sex worker Hande Kader was found burnt in the street
She had reportedly even been arrested for doing so on at least one occasion.

Kader's friends took to Facebook in anger following the news of her death - one of them claiming that the "common mongrels" who had carried out the attack will one day "pay the price".

The chilling incident comes less than two weeks after the murder and decapitation of a gay Syrian refugee just a few miles from where Kader's body was found.

Muhammed Wisam Sankari had settled in Istanbul after fleeing the ongoing conflict in Syria was found dead after having been raped and beheaded.

His body was so badly mutilated that he was only identifiable by the clothes he was wearing.

The Turkish city has been a haven for many fleeing persecution and war in neighboring Syria and Iraq - however hate crimes against LGBT people have soared recently.

Last week in the southern city of Mersin, a transwoman survived an attack by knife-wielding thugs.

Friends of Hande Kader are desperately upset about what happened to her
And a gathering is being held this evening in Istanbul's Taksim Square in memory of the woman.

Although Turkey is traditionally seen as one of the most tolerant countries in the region, a recent poll by PEW Research Centre showed that almost 80% of Turks believe homosexuality is "morally unacceptable".

This is truly terrible, and yet incidents like this are becoming increasingly common in Turkey as hate crimes against the LGBT community have been soaring in the country. Despite being a modern country Turkey seems to be descending down the road of intolerance thanks to the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. I feel like Atatürk must be rolling over in his grave.

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Postby Xadufell » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:57 am

Well it's Turkey, what do you expect?
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Postby Syadei » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:59 am

This is rather sickening and sad. Although with it being in Turkey, it's not all that surprising that this would happen. No reason why, I just don't have high expectations of Turkey.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:00 am

Xadufell wrote:Well it's Turkey, what do you expect?

And this is one of the more progressive Islamic majority countries.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:01 am

Not surprised. It's sad, but still not surprised
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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:03 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Xadufell wrote:Well it's Turkey, what do you expect?

And this is one of the more progressive Islamic majority countries.

Not anymore since the rise of Erdogan.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:03 am

In before someone says that transgender violence is rare and that none of them are hate crimes.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:07 am

Xadufell wrote:Well it's Turkey, what do you expect?

Basically this. With Wannabe Sultan in full swing, every homo/trasphobic jerk feels like having a free rein.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:08 am

Risottia wrote:
Xadufell wrote:Well it's Turkey, what do you expect?

Basically this. With Wannabe Sultan in full swing, every homophobic jerk feels like having a free rein.


It's a rather disturbing trend, with bigots of all sorts feeling empowered by recent political events. Brexit, Trump, Erdogan, Putin...
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:10 am

I'm not surprised. Turkey is not a nice place, hell they need someone to hurt others than Kurds.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:11 am

Gauthier wrote:
Risottia wrote:Basically this. With Wannabe Sultan in full swing, every homophobic jerk feels like having a free rein.


It's a rather disturbing trend, with bigots of all sorts feeling empowered by recent political events. Brexit, Trump, Erdogan, Putin...

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Postby New Werpland » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:15 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Xadufell wrote:Well it's Turkey, what do you expect?

And this is one of the more progressive Islamic majority countries.

Well Turkey actually has a history of popular cross dressing singers.

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Postby Kharaz-A-Kharak » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:16 am

All this happens in that region for a single reason: the people there do not know how to separate religion - which is a personal thing - from government - which is public. And I don't know what are their obsession with sexuality that bother them so much: no gays, no sex prior to marriage, no demonstrations of affection in public, woman must wear this or that... it's like they have shame of their own bodies.
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Postby Urran » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:17 am

Horrible, but not surprising given the area it occurred in.
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Postby Unified Heartless States » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:19 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Xadufell wrote:Well it's Turkey, what do you expect?

And this is one of the more progressive Islamic majority countries.
:rofl: Is it though?
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Unified Heartless States wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:And this is one of the more progressive Islamic majority countries.
:rofl:


Oh yes, Erdogan is one of the most progressive leaders in the world right alongside Vladimir Putin. :roll:
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Postby Rangila » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:21 am

Transgender violence is rare and none of them are hate crimes
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Risottia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
It's a rather disturbing trend, with bigots of all sorts feeling empowered by recent political events. Brexit, Trump, Erdogan, Putin...

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I'm disturbed to hear that she was burned in the street...but Turkey can't even fully respect cis women. They've a long way to go and Erdo isn't helping.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:22 am

Gauthier wrote:
Unified Heartless States wrote: :rofl:


Oh yes, Erdogan is one of the most progressive leaders in the world right alongside Vladimir Putin. :roll:

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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:24 am

Gauthier wrote:
Risottia wrote:Basically this. With Wannabe Sultan in full swing, every homophobic jerk feels like having a free rein.


It's a rather disturbing trend, with bigots of all sorts feeling empowered by recent political events. Brexit, Trump, Erdogan, Putin...

I still don't get what Brexit has to do with it but whatever.
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Postby New Werpland » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:25 am

Kharaz-A-Kharak wrote:All this happens in that region for a single reason: the people there do not know how to separate religion - which is a personal thing - from government - which is public. And I don't know what are their obsession with sexuality that bother them so much: no gays, no sex prior to marriage, no demonstrations of affection in public, woman must wear this or that... it's like they have shame of their own bodies.
A message to islamics: if you want to follow the Koran, do it in your own privacy, for yourself. Do not impose on others - and that include your family - what you think a human should act. Let they decide, by their own will, what they wish.

That's not actually true. Secularism is popular Turkey.

Violence against/abuse of prostitutes and sexual minorities is not necessarily rooted in Islamic fundamentalism.

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Postby Mefpan » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:27 am

Welcome to Turkey, having put the car of social progress in reverse and kicked the pedal through the metal and into the asphalt under the vehicle, at the behest of some fucking despot.

Gauthier wrote:In before someone says that transgender violence is rare and that none of them are hate crimes.

Let's go and pick apart the reasons for these hate crimes are. I'm going to shift my gaze slightly towards the ongoing desecularization of Turkish society, and the accompanying return to "traditional" values.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:27 am

Rangila wrote:Transgender violence is rare and none of them are hate crimes


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Postby Gauthier » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:28 am

New Werpland wrote:
Kharaz-A-Kharak wrote:All this happens in that region for a single reason: the people there do not know how to separate religion - which is a personal thing - from government - which is public. And I don't know what are their obsession with sexuality that bother them so much: no gays, no sex prior to marriage, no demonstrations of affection in public, woman must wear this or that... it's like they have shame of their own bodies.
A message to islamics: if you want to follow the Koran, do it in your own privacy, for yourself. Do not impose on others - and that include your family - what you think a human should act. Let they decide, by their own will, what they wish.

That's not actually true. Secularism is popular Turkey.

Violence against/abuse of prostitutes and sexual minorities is not necessarily rooted in Islamic fundamentalism.


Secularism has a severe Erdogan infection right now.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Mefpan » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:29 am

Vassenor wrote:
Rangila wrote:Transgender violence is rare and none of them are hate crimes


Everybody take a shot.

Doesn't count if it's most likely done just to poke at Gauth's statement, I'd say.
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