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To burkini or not burkini, that’s the question.

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Would you ban a burkini on your beaches?

Yes
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Yes and Hillary too
135
22%
No.
392
63%
Certainly not. A burkini should be mandatory on the beaches for all women.
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Nacesa Plana
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To burkini or not burkini, that’s the question.

Postby Nacesa Plana » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:46 am

Mayor of Sisco, Ange-Pierre Vivoni, says ban is necessary to protect population after clash between youths and Muslim families

A Corsican mayor has announced a ban on burkinis, becoming the third in France to do so, as tensions on the island run high following violent clashes between villagers and three Muslim families.
Skirmishes at a beach in the commune of Sisco at the weekend left four people injured and resulted in riot police being brought in to stop a crowd of 200 Corsicans marching into a housing estate with a high population of people of North African origin, shouting “this is our home”.
A police investigation is under way to determine the cause of the violent brawl.

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Not the swimsuit of the story.

In other European countries, like Belgium, they are also planning to ban the burkini on beaches.

IMHO, that’s a good idea. It’s denigrating women and giving them the idea they are ‘different’.
As a foreigner you are allowed to express your culture as long it isn’t fighting with the culture of the host country.

It’s a matter of civility and respect for the culture of another.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:50 am

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Postby Khadgar » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:52 am

Why would I give two shits what someone wants to wear on the beach and why is it the government's job to tell people what to wear?

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:54 am

Khadgar wrote:Why would I give two shits what someone wants to wear on the beach and why is it the government's job to tell people what to wear?

It isn't. People should just wear what they want.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:55 am

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Why would I give two shits what someone wants to wear on the beach and why is it the government's job to tell people what to wear?

It isn't. People should just wear what they want.


Unless they're Muslim women at the beach, in which case it's Oppression and they should be stripped naked for Freedom! *nod*
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Postby Minzerland » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:56 am

Why should they be kept from wearing the Burkini if they so wished to?

I agree with the statement 'When in Rome do as the Romans do' but it should be distinguished that the phrase is a prescriber, not an absolute.
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Postby Greater Narkova » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:58 am

At least they ain't going there nude, they are at least showing decency by wearing them, more so than a woman wearing an actual bikini

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:59 am

Nacesa Plana wrote:It’s a matter of civility and respect for the culture of another.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I'm totally down for stripping women. They should be showing as much skin as possible while at the beach. To do otherwise is to interfere with the important pastime of Western culture that is oggling women.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:03 am

No i dont think it should be banned, people should be allowed to wear what ever they want at a Beach as long as if they are the ones choosing to wear it and they are not being forced. So if a Muslim woman wants to wear one of her own accord i dont see the issue, just like any non muslim woman can wear a bikini if she wants to, or if a muslim woman wants to wear a bikini she should be allowed to wear it.
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Postby Minzerland » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:04 am

Alvecia wrote:
Nacesa Plana wrote:It’s a matter of civility and respect for the culture of another.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I'm totally down for stripping women. They should be showing as much skin as possible while at the beach. To do otherwise is to interfere with the important pastime of Western culture that is oggling women.

What?
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:05 am

Minzerland wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I'm totally down for stripping women. They should be showing as much skin as possible while at the beach. To do otherwise is to interfere with the important pastime of Western culture that is oggling women.

What?

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Postby Nacesa Plana » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:06 am

Khadgar wrote:Why would I give two shits what someone wants to wear on the beach and why is it the government's job to tell people what to wear?


Suppose you're Chelsea fan. A fan, proud to wear the colours.
There's nothing wrong about wearing a Chelsea shirt. Unless you’re an United fan.
However, when you go to Old Trafford and want to see the game in a stand between the United fans, I would recommend not to wear your blue and white colours.
You're entering 'another (sub)culture with other uses and it would be wise not to push your culture.

I know, it’s just a shirt. But that’s how reality is working.

It’s exactly the same here. It seems a burkini is upsetting people in such way they feel it’s worth to clash.
To prevent fights and riots, it’s not that weird a government takes actions.

In a perfect world the government shouldn’t interfere at all. People should have a basic dignity not to push their culture.

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Postby Minzerland » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:09 am

Alvecia wrote:
Minzerland wrote:What?

/s

I don't see how the sarcasm works in this situation. Maybe it's the fatigue but it seems out of place.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:09 am

Nacesa Plana wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Why would I give two shits what someone wants to wear on the beach and why is it the government's job to tell people what to wear?


Suppose you're Chelsea fan. A fan, proud to wear the colours.
There's nothing wrong about wearing a Chelsea shirt. Unless you’re an United fan.
However, when you go to Old Trafford and want to see the game in a stand between the United fans, I would recommend not to wear your blue and white colours.
You're entering 'another (sub)culture with other uses and it would be wise not to push your culture.

I know, it’s just a shirt. But that’s how reality is working.

It’s exactly the same here. It seems a burkini is upsetting people in such way they feel it’s worth to clash.
To prevent fights and riots, it’s not that weird a government takes actions.

In a perfect world the government shouldn’t interfere at all. People should have a basic dignity not to push their culture.

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Postby Gravlen » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:09 am

What happened? I mean, when did these politicians look at countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, and then think "They've got the right idea, regulating what peole can wear, let's also do that in the name of freedom!" ?

What's next, special religious secularist police units?
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Postby Republic of Tacos » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:10 am

Don't ban it.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:11 am

Nacesa Plana wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Why would I give two shits what someone wants to wear on the beach and why is it the government's job to tell people what to wear?


Suppose you're Chelsea fan. A fan, proud to wear the colours.
There's nothing wrong about wearing a Chelsea shirt. Unless you’re an United fan.
However, when you go to Old Trafford and want to see the game in a stand between the United fans, I would recommend not to wear your blue and white colours.
You're entering 'another (sub)culture with other uses and it would be wise not to push your culture.

I know, it’s just a shirt. But that’s how reality is working.

It’s exactly the same here. It seems a burkini is upsetting people in such way they feel it’s worth to clash.
To prevent fights and riots, it’s not that weird a government takes actions.

In a perfect world the government shouldn’t interfere at all. People should have a basic dignity not to push their culture.

There's been more fights between football supporters than between beach goers. Aren't you really saying that the governmen should have started by banning football uniforms from public places?
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:13 am

They let men wear speedos on the beach, they should let women wear burkinis, whatever those are.
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Postby Nariterrr » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:14 am

Why is what I wear to the beach a concern of the government? I thought you Conservatives were all about small gov.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:15 am

Nariterrr wrote:Why is what I wear to the beach a concern of the government? I thought you Conservatives were all about small gov.

Not when it comes to ridiculous things like "what should I wear?" or "who can I get married to?"
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Postby Minzerland » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:18 am

Nariterrr wrote:Why is what I wear to the beach a concern of the government? I thought you Conservatives were all about small gov.

Possibly, I doubt the majority of conservatives want small government, however.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:19 am

Minzerland wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:Why is what I wear to the beach a concern of the government? I thought you Conservatives were all about small gov.

Possibly, I doubt the majority of conservatives want small government, however.


Just small enough to lodge inside women's vaginas.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:20 am

It's slightly amusing that society has gone from telling women that they're showing too much skin to now telling them they aren't showing enough.
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Postby Greater Orensta » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:20 am

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Postby Minzerland » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:21 am

Gauthier wrote:
Minzerland wrote:Possibly, I doubt the majority of conservatives want small government, however.


Just small enough to lodge inside women's vaginas.

Ok.
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