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Michael Moore predicts Trump will win the election

Postby Wine-loving Chimps » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:46 pm

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

So Michael Moore, a left-wing pundit and filmmaker, has predicted that Donald Trump is going to win the 2016 American Presidential election.

He lays this out with 5 main points (summarized).
1) The rust belt are attracted to his promises of returning jobs to their states and to withdrawing from free trade organizations like NAFTA.
2) White men are feeling like they are losing power. The Donald represents in their minds the last chance for them to be relevant.
3) Hillary Clinton is untrusted by 70% of Americans.
4) Sanders voters will not be enthusiastic about backing her, if they even bother to vote.
5) Some just want to watch the world burn. Also known as "yolo".

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It's something that really has looked like it's on the cards ever since Britain defied expectations and voted for Brexit. America and Britain have both high levels of unhappiness with their political systems as they stand at present, both have been reacting against a broadly liberal world order that has reigned for several decades (improving the general life conditions of people, however giving vast fortunes to a few causing a high inequality) and both have populations that are angry at an incompetent/whiny/preachy/openly-questioning-democracy left.

Michael Moore is right to point out these factors and come to the conclusion that Donald Trump is going to win.

However, there are an awful lot of demographics who are worried by this man. Hispanics are registering to vote in record numbers so that they can stop what they perceive to be an existential threat to themselves. As Michael Moore observed, liberals have won the culture wars, and the biggest beneficiaries of that are women, who not going to be so enthusiastic to get back to the 'good old days' (for both, I'm almost certain at some point I'll have to say "present company excepted", but you get the gist). Not only that, but there are even among men more irreligious people than ever, most of which do not support the 'Christian' message of Donald Trump and the Republican party.

I do believe there is a chance, but now it remains to be asked: what does NationStates think? Is Michael Moore correct in his assessment that Donald Trump will win the election, is he right on some points but woefully wrong on others, or is he completely off his rocker? Please show your working for full marks.

EDIT: Not a fan of Michael Moore. I've disagreed with much of what he has said. I found his comments about snipers horrible, his support for Saddam Hussein disturbing and his general demeanor arrogant. But he does say some interesting things in this article. Please keep this thread to be about his comments and not about the man.
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I believe topic should be separate from the megathread as this ought to focus specifically on the comments of a single pundit and their validity. If you disagree, oh dear moderator, I will understand. :)
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:48 pm

Yeah that's about right. Trumos seen as a screen to project your anger on to. Like the anti Semites for Trump. If he has any view on the Jewish people at all, he loves them, but people like to think he's a place to dump their anger
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:50 pm

Sanders voters will not be enthusiastic about backing her, if they even bother to vote.

I feel like the majority of people who say they'll vote for Trump because Sanders lost aren't old enough to vote.
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Postby Bavaria-Saxony » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:50 pm

Not unrealistic that Trump will win after Hillary's boring VP pick :(

Was hoping for Warren to be on the ticket.

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Postby The Great Devourer of All » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:51 pm

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:51 pm

Well damn. Everyone, arm yourselves.
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Postby Bavaria-Saxony » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:51 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:
Sanders voters will not be enthusiastic about backing her, if they even bother to vote.

I feel like the majority of people who say they'll vote for Trump because Sanders lost aren't old enough to vote.



Not many Bernie supporters would vote Trump, most of them aren't going to vote or are turning to Jill Stein.

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Postby Wine-loving Chimps » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:52 pm

Bavaria-Saxony wrote:Not unrealistic that Trump will win after Hillary's boring VP pick :(

Was hoping for Warren to be on the ticket.


Me too. To be honest, it would have been nice if Warren was on the top of the ticket, but such is life.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:54 pm

Not a single thing that idiot has been right on yet so I do not see why he would be right now.
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Postby Community Values » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:56 pm

Bavaria-Saxony wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:I feel like the majority of people who say they'll vote for Trump because Sanders lost aren't old enough to vote.



Not many Bernie supporters would vote Trump, most of them aren't going to vote or are turning to Jill Stein.


O-or Gary Johnson.
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2016, please don't get any worse. Please.
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Postby UIJ » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:57 pm

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It's pretty obvious Donald is going to win. I don't like Hilary or Trump, Hell, I'd probably rather vote for Ben Carson if he was still a choice. Too bad Bernie didn't make it. He seemed cool. He seemed like the kinda guy you could talk dank memes with on a Sunday afternoon, you know?
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:59 pm

Guess what? He thought Romney would win in 2012. He always does this to scare the Democrats into not being complacent... which they absolutely shouldn't be. If Trump wins, it'll be because of complacency. This election is Clinton's to lose.

Michael Moore is also a bit rubbish.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:59 pm

UIJ wrote:My mother keeps calling me about the "purge".





It's pretty obvious Donald is going to win. I don't like Hilary or Trump, Hell, I'd probably rather vote for Ben Carson if he was still a choice. Too bad Bernie didn't make it. He seemed cool. He seemed like the kinda guy you could talk dank memes with on a Sunday afternoon, you know?

It's not obvious to polling data.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:59 pm

Gigaverse wrote:2016, please don't get any worse. Please.

Even if he wins Trump wont take office until 2017.
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Postby Adolfkvlt » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:00 pm

Goddamnit. No, please, no.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:00 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:Guess what? He thought Romney would win in 2012. He always does this to scare the Democrats into not being complacent... which they absolutely shouldn't be. If Trump wins, it'll be because of complacency. This election is Clinton's to lose.

Michael Moore is also a bit rubbish.

We said that the last time she lost.
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:00 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:I hear Canada's nice.


Why aren't you going to move to Mexico?

You racist, or something? :)
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Postby UIJ » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:01 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
UIJ wrote:My mother keeps calling me about the "purge".





It's pretty obvious Donald is going to win. I don't like Hilary or Trump, Hell, I'd probably rather vote for Ben Carson if he was still a choice. Too bad Bernie didn't make it. He seemed cool. He seemed like the kinda guy you could talk dank memes with on a Sunday afternoon, you know?

It's not obvious to polling data.

Oh.

Well then. I have no idea who's in the lead then, please inform me if that's alright.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:01 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Guess what? He thought Romney would win in 2012. He always does this to scare the Democrats into not being complacent... which they absolutely shouldn't be. If Trump wins, it'll be because of complacency. This election is Clinton's to lose.

Michael Moore is also a bit rubbish.

We said that the last time she lost.

Still doesn't change the fact that his reasons for a Trump victory are rubbish. It's almost as if African-American, Latino and women voters are airbrushed out of Moore's prediction.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:01 pm

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:02 pm

Greater Beggnig wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:I hear Canada's nice.


Why aren't you going to move to Mexico?

You racist, or something? :)

Too conservative. If I have to move, I'm at least going somewhere a bit farther left than Mexico.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:03 pm

Sweet. I already know that Trump will win. Not by much, it will be a very close race, but he will win
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