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Postby Europe and Oceania » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:40 am

Texas Cop Smashes Car Window After Driver Scott Richardson Insists Speeding Isn’t A Crime

A driver in Texas who was pulled over for allegedly doing 50 mph in a 40 mph zone claimed he didn’t have to cooperate with police because speeding isn’t a crime.

Not surprisingly, the encounter didn’t end well for him.

Scott Richardson, 49, was pulled over in Addison on May 2 for speeding. But a video of the encounter going viral this week shows him arguing that the police officer had no right to stop him, no right to ask for ID and no right to even enforce speeding laws at all.

“As a man, what right do you have to stop another man?” Richardson asks the police officer as the clip, above, begins.

“The state of Texas has given me the right to enforce the law,” the officer, who is not identified, says. He then tells Richardson he is being stopped for speeding and asks for identification.

Richardson doesn’t comply and instead insists that speeding is not illegal. Speaking through a window opened just a crack, he says:

“Speeding in and of itself is not a crime. According to the state of Texas, the actual — um — it is the — um — oh, you know, the attorney general. Not the attorney general but the prosecutor. Yes, the DA! The DA is the one who stated on page 19 that speeding in and of itself is not a crime. It is not illegal.”
Richardson also insists that the officer can’t detain him without a warrant.

It’s unclear how long they had been speaking before the video starts, but the clip shows Richardson arguing that speeding isn’t a crime and that he doesn’t have to show ID for about four minutes before the officer warns that he will break the window if Richardson doesn’t present ID.

At about the 4:14 mark, the officer does just that.

After removing the shattered safety glass, the officer opens the door and pulls Richardson from the car. From that point forward, the camera only features audio but the officer can be heard telling Richardson that he’s under arrest for failure to identify.

Later, after Richardson has been presumably placed into the back of a police vehicle, the officer can be heard speaking to someone else.

“He’s giving me the Republic of Texas crap,” the officer says. “Saying I stopped him illegally and I don’t have a right to detain him.”

“For speeding?” the other person asks.

“Yeah, that’s all it was,” the officer says. “That’s all it was.”

The Houston Chronicle reports that Richardson’s arguments are consistent with those of the “sovereign citizens” movement, or people who claim they are not subject to state or federal government.

Peter Schulte, a former police officer who is now a lawyer, told CBS DFW that the officer acted correctly.

“I would have pulled him out sooner. I would have said we’re done,” Schulte told the station.

Richardson, naturally, has a different point of view.

“I think I did the right thing,” he told the station. “I stood my ground and I protected my rights.”

It’s unclear what rights Richardson was protecting. The Chronicle reports that the Texas transportation code allows for the enforcement of speed limits, and that speeding is considered probable cause to allow a police officer to detain a citizen and ask for identification.

However, Richardson told FOX that he has no regrets about the incident and insists he was right not to present his ID.

“This is not Nazi Germany,” he said.

Richardson was not charged with speeding and was instead given just a warning on that charge, according to the Chronicle. He was charged with driving with an invalid license, driving with an expired license plate and failure to present his license upon lawful demand.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/1 ... 58198.html

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https://leb.fbi.gov/2011/september/sove ... nforcement

What does NSG think of this movement? I think it's pointless because it never ends well with for these "Sovereign" citizens when they don't
cooperate with the authorities.

Like these videos:

https://youtu.be/QCozh_vbYdM

https://youtu.be/t-32-m0_-Sg?t=3

Isn't it silly if they actually think they will get away with not cooperating with the authorities?
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Postby Uiiop » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:42 am

They got the weird tricks to set us free!!!
...but nothing happens because the state is full of cheaters. /s
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:43 am

Sovereign citizens.

They make the militia movements who claim only state laws matter look credible. Bunch of whiny tax dodging edgelords who meed to sit back, and ponder their life choices
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Postby Europe and Oceania » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:46 am

Benuty wrote:Sovereign citizens.

They make the militia movements who claim only state laws matter look credible. Bunch of whiny tax dodging edgelords who meed to sit back, and ponder their life choices


lol.
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Postby Mefpan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:47 am

Fuck this notion of "sovereign citizens", "freemen on the land" or whatever the hell these people call themselves this hour of the day.

Legally speaking, smashing a car window over someone being an obnoxious, objectively wrong asshole is wrong was entirely within the bounds of the law, as it turns out but and god knows I'd probably have done similar worse if caught in such a situation.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:49 am

Europe and Oceania wrote:
Benuty wrote:Sovereign citizens.

They make the militia movements who claim only state laws matter look credible. Bunch of whiny tax dodging edgelords who meed to sit back, and ponder their life choices


lol.

Its true even most militias know to abide by the laws of their home state.

Sovereign citizens choose to knowingly violate all laws to get away from taxes.
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Postby SaintB » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:52 am

They are idiots.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:53 am

SaintB wrote:They are idiots.

Not just idiots, but dangerous as well.
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Postby SaintB » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:55 am

Benuty wrote:
SaintB wrote:They are idiots.

Not just idiots, but dangerous as well.

Most idiots are dangerous.
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Postby Europe and Oceania » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:55 am

Benuty wrote:
SaintB wrote:They are idiots.

Not just idiots, but dangerous as well.


Which is why the FBI considers them a domestic threat.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:57 am

"I'm not driving, I'm travelling! It's not illegal to travel over the speed limit!"

"Sir, I'm afraid you're being sophistic. May I ask whether you consider the law of the state to be applicable to your person?"

"I'm not a person, I'm an individual!"

"I'm not Brian, but fine. Your individual then."

"No, they do not! I'm a free man of the land!"

*draws gun* "Very good, Sir. That means you're not protected by the law. It's been a pleasure knowing you."

"Wait, wa-"

*blam*

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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:57 am

Sounds like he got a first-hand demonstration of what "monopoly on the legitimate use of force" means.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:58 am

SaintB wrote:
Benuty wrote:Not just idiots, but dangerous as well.

Most idiots are dangerous.

Most idiots try not to be domestic terrorists for petty reasons.
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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:59 am

Mefpan wrote:Fuck this notion of "sovereign citizens", "freemen on the land" or whatever the hell these people call themselves this hour of the day.

Legally speaking, smashing a car window over someone being an obnoxious, objectively wrong asshole is wrong but god knows I'd probably have done similar if caught in such a situation.

It's not legally wrong at all. He was legally ordered to produce ID and didn't, so the police officer placed him under arrest. He remained behind a locked car door so the officer broke the window in order to open the door and remove him. He didn't do it because he was mad. He did it because this guy was resisting arrest.

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Postby The balkens » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:00 pm

Shaggy Dog Story wrote:
Mefpan wrote:Fuck this notion of "sovereign citizens", "freemen on the land" or whatever the hell these people call themselves this hour of the day.

Legally speaking, smashing a car window over someone being an obnoxious, objectively wrong asshole is wrong but god knows I'd probably have done similar if caught in such a situation.

It's not legally wrong at all. He was legally ordered to produce ID and didn't, so the police officer placed him under arrest. He remained behind a locked car door so the officer broke the window in order to open the door and remove him. He didn't do it because he was mad. He did it because this guy was resisting arrest.


Seems reasonable.

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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:02 pm

Benuty wrote:Sovereign citizens.

They make the militia movements who claim only state laws matter look credible. Bunch of whiny tax dodging edgelords who meed to sit back, and ponder their life choices

Completely agree.
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Postby Mefpan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:02 pm

Shaggy Dog Story wrote:
Mefpan wrote:Fuck this notion of "sovereign citizens", "freemen on the land" or whatever the hell these people call themselves this hour of the day.

Legally speaking, smashing a car window over someone being an obnoxious, objectively wrong asshole is wrong but god knows I'd probably have done similar if caught in such a situation.

It's not legally wrong at all. He was legally ordered to produce ID and didn't, so the police officer placed him under arrest. He remained behind a locked car door so the officer broke the window in order to open the door and remove him. He didn't do it because he was mad. He did it because this guy was resisting arrest.

Yeah, I think I saw a video of the incident in question since making a half-baked post.

For some reason I didn't comprehend that the officer was trying to get into the car, but interpreted it as smashing in the fucking windshield.

Which I would have done, followed up with severe damage to the car's paintjob and tires.
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:02 pm

Benuty wrote:Sovereign citizens.

They make the militia movements who claim only state laws matter look credible. Bunch of whiny tax dodging edgelords who meed to sit back, and ponder their life choices

Completely agree. Get a life people instead of seeing government conspiracies everywhere!
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:05 pm

Are these the people who squeal "I do not consent" whenever they get arrested for doing dumbfuck criminal things?
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Postby Mefpan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:06 pm

Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:
Benuty wrote:Sovereign citizens.

They make the militia movements who claim only state laws matter look credible. Bunch of whiny tax dodging edgelords who meed to sit back, and ponder their life choices

Completely agree. Get a life people instead of seeing government conspiracies everywhere!

I always chalk it up to people feeling more comfortable with the idea of an malign, competent government seeking to actively hurt them than with the idea of a benign, clueless government that does things that only in the aftermath are found out to have been less than stellar ideas.

And before anyone tells me - no, there are no good governments. Every government does only damage. In everything it does. No exceptions. Ever. At all. At any point in time.

Or so the logic of these people goes.
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Postby Threlizdun » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:07 pm

It reminds me of the time I listened to an "anarcho-capitalist" I knew talk about being pulled over by a "highway pirate".
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Postby SaintB » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:08 pm

Senkaku wrote:Are these the people who squeal "I do not consent" whenever they get arrested for doing dumbfuck criminal things?

Yeah, sometimes. It's also hilarious how quickly they tend to lawyer up when in trouble.
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:09 pm

Well, the law is the law, even in a free democracy, whether that man likes it or not. And whether he likes it or not, his home state decided back in the day to become a part of (and after the Civil War, rejoined) the U.S and the Texas state government hasn't expressed a desire to leave the union as of this day and age, and as such federal laws also apply in his state. Deal with it!

Besides, the police officer did notify him that failure to comply/cooperate would lead to use of force and subsequent arrest so I see no wrong-doing in the actions of this police officer. My opinion ;)
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:11 pm

Threlizdun wrote:It reminds me of the time I listened to an "anarcho-capitalist" I knew talk about being pulled over by a "highway pirate".

I have encountered a couple of those people myself in my country (Denmark), lol :P
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Postby Europe and Oceania » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:16 pm

Threlizdun wrote:It reminds me of the time I listened to an "anarcho-capitalist" I knew talk about being pulled over by a "highway pirate".


lol.
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