How American Politics Went Insane

[Alistan]

If anybody read the recent article: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... ne/485570/

Then you'll realize why American politics are insane

So NSG, what do you think?

(I am sorry I could not quote the article, but in summary, this is the justification as to why The Establishment isn't such a bad thing as Trump or Sanders says)

[Ashmoria]

yeah i read that article yesterday. it has an excellent analysis of whats gone wrong.

but i think it has left out how the conservative industrial complex --rush Limbaugh, glenn beck, the NRA-- work to make sure that the republican base is always up in arms whenever congressional republicans work to get something actually passed.

[Socialist Nordia]

I think that the article did a great job of describing the situation. We need to stop demonising the establishment. It's what gets things done. Without it, the political system will devolve to the scenario at the beginning.

[Ashmoria]

yeah

politics shouldn't be a dirty word in a political system.

[Greater Mackonia]

Sanity is overrated.

[Alistan]

yeah i read that article yesterday. it has an excellent analysis of whats gone wrong.

but i think it has left out how the conservative industrial complex --rush Limbaugh, glenn beck, the NRA-- work to make sure that the republican base is always up in arms whenever congressional republicans work to get something actually passed.

I think it would be fair to say that the Koch Bros made a mess of America by starting the Tea Party.... and the Koch Bros is part of the Establishment

But I hope America doesn't end up the same fate as Europe and Brexit.

[Expectareaction]

yeah i read that article yesterday. it has an excellent analysis of whats gone wrong.

but i think it has left out how the conservative industrial complex --rush Limbaugh, glenn beck, the NRA-- work to make sure that the republican base is always up in arms whenever congressional republicans work to get something actually passed.

As opposed to the Democratic Base which is composed of calm rational open minded individuals easily able to tolerate ideas and values contrary to their who seek only free and expressive dialogue.

Its amazing, how blind people are to their own polarization.

[Quokkastan]

Would be more compelling if British politics hadn't literally just gone certifiable.

And don't get me started on the Turks.

[Alistan]

yeah i read that article yesterday. it has an excellent analysis of whats gone wrong.

but i think it has left out how the conservative industrial complex --rush Limbaugh, glenn beck, the NRA-- work to make sure that the republican base is always up in arms whenever congressional republicans work to get something actually passed.

As opposed to the Democratic Base which is composed of calm rational open minded individuals easily able to tolerate ideas and values contrary to their who seek only free and expressive dialogue.

Its amazing, how blind people are to their own polarization.

Not exactly

http://usuncut.com/politics/sanders-dnc ... tee-fight/

[The New Sea Territory]

This assumes they weren't insane to begin with.

[Alistan]

This assumes they weren't insane to begin with.

Why is that?

[Expectareaction]

I love how the Article seems to diminish those who don't subscribe to Party loyalty as if the Republican or Democratic parties have displayed consistent loyalty to the well being of the people of the nation and not merely the small base that keeps them in their career political jobs.
I mean seriously the Article seems to ignore the fact that the "establishment" has polarized the American people and left entirely unsatisfied.

The establishment is failed, much like bandos in the city, its time to burn it down so rebuilding can begin proper.

[Expectareaction]

As opposed to the Democratic Base which is composed of calm rational open minded individuals easily able to tolerate ideas and values contrary to their who seek only free and expressive dialogue.

Its amazing, how blind people are to their own polarization.

Not exactly

http://usuncut.com/politics/sanders-dnc ... tee-fight/

What does that link have to do with anything I or Ash said?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

How about 'we let news become entertainment, we let fear and panic rule decisions being made, we continually gave up our freedoms and got little to nothing in return for it, we have a government that is bought and paid for by various special interests and corporations and foreign influences, we've allowed the various factions to pare us down from a United States into hundreds of little warring factions, we've stopped thinking for ourselves and allowed a warped two-party system to tell us what we're supposed to believe and support, and too many vote with their emotions and not with their goram heads'. That's my take on it, in any case. And I'm pretty much fed up with the lot of it. Grr. Argh. >_<

[Alistan]

Not exactly

http://usuncut.com/politics/sanders-dnc ... tee-fight/

What does that link have to do with anything I or Ash said?

The Democratic base are anything but rational
Is it rational to support a candidate who can beat Trump by a few points, while another can beat Trump over a lot points?

[Quokkastan]

What does that link have to do with anything I or Ash said?

The Democratic base are anything but rational
Is it rational to support a candidate who can beat Trump by a few points, while another can beat Trump over a lot points?

A) The post you were responding to was facetious.
B) Yes. Both are rational. It's simply a matter of where you fall on risk-reward calculations.

[Ostroeuropa]

It started when the rich as a class absolutely lost their fucking shit at the idea of communism and began the politics of total annihilation of the opposing side and zero compromise. Gradualism collapsed as a notion, and now we live in a state of permanent political revolution.

Broadly speaking, The right wing in america has been in PTSD mode of hyperaggressive and hyper orthodox for decades, and the left has basically started to devolve into the same. The article gets that right.

The process wasn't caused by the collapse of the elite system. The collapse of the elite system was caused by the process of everyone slowly losing their shit and deciding any ideas they didn't like were inherently various types of evil and so were the supporters.

That's a meme that is borne from the red scare.

If you aren't absolutely sure there's communists under the bed, you must be one, and all your talk of opposing communism is nonsense. You're trying to appeal to reds to save your own skin, blah blah.

[Alistan]

How about 'we let news become entertainment, we let fear and panic rule decisions being made, we continually gave up our freedoms and got little to nothing in return for it, we have a government that is bought and paid for by various special interests and corporations and foreign influences, we've allowed the various factions to pare us down from a United States into hundreds of little warring factions, we've stopped thinking for ourselves and allowed a warped two-party system to tell us what we're supposed to believe and support, and too many vote with their emotions and not with their goram heads'. That's my take on it, in any case. And I'm pretty much fed up with the lot of it. Grr. Argh. >_<

I am willing to let American politics burn to expose its true face to the world

[Alistan]

It started when the rich absolutely lost their fucking shit at the idea of communism and began the politics of total annihilation of the opposing side and zero compromise. Gradualism collapsed as a notion, and now we live in a state of permanent political revolution.

The one for Bernie?

[Ostroeuropa]

It started when the rich absolutely lost their fucking shit at the idea of communism and began the politics of total annihilation of the opposing side and zero compromise. Gradualism collapsed as a notion, and now we live in a state of permanent political revolution.

The one for Bernie?

No, just any revolution. It's the same in the UK.
The country lurches to the right on economic issues, and lurches to the left on social issues.

Anyone who doesn't support these trends is seen as evil incarnate and has to be destroyed constantly.

Which, when your in government, means you.
The reality of the implementation doesn't matter. Just ideological crusading.

Propose an idea. Any idea. If it follows those trends, it will be supported and opponents demonized out of existence.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

How about 'we let news become entertainment, we let fear and panic rule decisions being made, we continually gave up our freedoms and got little to nothing in return for it, we have a government that is bought and paid for by various special interests and corporations and foreign influences, we've allowed the various factions to pare us down from a United States into hundreds of little warring factions, we've stopped thinking for ourselves and allowed a warped two-party system to tell us what we're supposed to believe and support, and too many vote with their emotions and not with their goram heads'. That's my take on it, in any case. And I'm pretty much fed up with the lot of it. Grr. Argh. >_<

I am willing to let American politics burn to expose its true face to the world

I'd rather they do their burning without dragging the rest of us down with them, thanks.

[Internationalist Bastard]

It's pretty insane, but it's always been to some extant.

[United Slavians]

The politics in USA was always insane, you just noticed it now when there's a huge fight of ideas between these two candidates. Trump shouldn't have gotten through. The system is made in a way that the two presidental candidates almost always have a similar policy(foreign policy at least).
This time it's a battle of ideas(as far as the words go at least, which is still a first). Hilary is a candidate like all others, Trump is not. The only reason he got this far is because he's a great businessman. The system didn't have a mekanism to bypass a businessman, especialy when he mostly funds his own campagin. He also knows what sells, so the media can't ignore him neither.

Like it or hate it this time it's Trump vs the system who's product is identical policy of every president in the last, at least few decades. And that's why Trump's campagin works so well. It's not insane, it's just diferent. Very, very diferent.

[Greed and Death]

yeah i read that article yesterday. it has an excellent analysis of whats gone wrong.

but i think it has left out how the conservative industrial complex --rush Limbaugh, glenn beck, the NRA-- work to make sure that the republican base is always up in arms whenever congressional republicans work to get something actually passed.

The DNC has its part too, everything the Republicans want gets called racist by DNC voters that now GOP voters tune out calls of racism when an openly racist candidate runs.

[Valaran]

I'm a bit absorbed in the woes of my own nation now, but all I can say is that you're not the only one who's taken a tumble down the rabbit hole, America. Parts of the UK (not sure which parts) will keep you company. Maybe other europeans will join us.