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Postby Vulkata II » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:43 am

JAKARTA — Indonesia's foreign minister said on Friday a halt on coal shipments to the Philippines will continue until Manila guarantees security in its waters after seven Indonesian sailors were taken hostage, the latest in a string of abductions.

Indonesian authorities are concerned that piracy in the Sulu Sea area, a major sea traffic corridor for the world's top thermal coal exporter, could reach levels previously seen in Somalia.

In April, the Indonesian Navy instructed all commercial vessels to avoid piracy-prone waters around the southern Philippines.

Analysts say $40 billion worth of cargo passes through those waters a year, including supertankers from the Indian Ocean that cannot use the crowded Malacca Strait.

"The Indonesian government has decided that the moratorium on coal exports to the Philippines will be extended until there is a guarantee for security from the Philippines government," foreign minister Retno Marsudi told reporters.

Indonesia supplies 70 percent of the Philippines' coal import needs, which Indonesian data shows stood at about 15 million tonnes, worth around $800 million, last year.

Alarmed at the frequency of attacks, port authorities in some areas of Indonesia, particularly Kalimantan on the island of Borneo, have stopped issuing permits to ships taking coal to the southern Philippines.

Philippine officials said the government had been working to address piracy in the south and that coal importers could tap other suppliers.

"There will be additional transportation costs if the coal will come from Australia or Russia so that means additional costs ... will have to be passed on to power consumers," said Rino Abad from the Philippine department of energy.

Marsudi said earlier that seven Indonesians had been kidnapped by two different armed groups in attacks on a tugboat towing a coal-carrying barge.

"The government will try all options to free the hostages," she said. Authorities were working to verify whether the kidnappers belonged to Philippine militant group Abu Sayyaf.

Up to 18 Indonesians and Malaysians were kidnapped in three attacks on tugboats earlier this year in Philippine waters by groups suspected of ties to Abu Sayyaf. All 14 Indonesian citizens were later released.

The Philippine military has said the militants have been targeting foreign crew of slow-moving tugboats because they can no longer penetrate resorts and coastal towns in Malaysia's eastern Sabah state due to increased security.

The rise of sea hijackings prompted Indonesia, the Philippines and Malaysia to agree last month to carry out coordinated patrols to secure the region's busy waterways.

However, coordinated patrols are yet to get underway.

Abu Sayyaf, known for amassing tens of millions of dollars from kidnappings, has beheaded two Canadian nationals in recent weeks after ransom deadlines passed. It is still holding Malaysian seamen and Japanese, Dutch, Norwegian, and Filipino citizens.
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In my honest opinion.

Can't blame them, we got lots of problems here already but now we got Duterte this can lead to a bloodbath err for the Abu Sayaf of course
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Postby Pranovia » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:47 am

This, is why I have always clamored for the return of Martial Law. The heaviness of crime committed by subversive insurgents is...very alarming.
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Postby Vulkata II » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:49 am

Pranovia wrote:This, is why I have always clamored for the return of Martial Law. The heaviness of crime committed by subversive insurgents is...very alarming.

Marshall law wont do anything but more fear,corruption and deaths for us.

Abu Sayyaf is a terrorist group in Mindanao, if anything we need to attack a lot their with strategic plannings
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Postby Pranovia » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:50 am

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Pranovia wrote:This, is why I have always clamored for the return of Martial Law. The heaviness of crime committed by subversive insurgents is...very alarming.

Marshall law wont do anything but more fear,corruption and deaths for us.

Abu Sayyaf is a terrorist group in Mindanao, if anything we need to attack a lot their with strategic plannings

The only thing I fear if all out war is declared, is that there will be more SAF 44-type incidents.
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Postby Valaran » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:51 am

Its also just Jokowi trying to appear tough.
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Postby Vulkata II » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:52 am

Valaran wrote:Its also just Jokowi trying to appear tough.

Idk.

Lots of Indonesian hostages have been reported captured by the Abu
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Postby Valaran » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:54 am

Vulkata II wrote:
Valaran wrote:Its also just Jokowi trying to appear tough.

Idk.

Lots of Indonesian hostages have been reported captured by the Abu


Its sort of his thing.

He's doing a form of brinkmanship on this, which is perhaps not my preferred approach, but hopefully some sort of security deal is reached.
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Postby Vulkata II » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:55 am

Valaran wrote:
Vulkata II wrote:Idk.

Lots of Indonesian hostages have been reported captured by the Abu


Its sort of his thing.

He's doing a form of brinkmanship on this, which is perhaps not my preferred approach, but hopefully some sort of security deal is reached.

Didn't read it but there's some talks with the Malaysian's about this with us Pinoys and Indonesian's
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:57 am

Whoa, i'm Indonesian and you created a thread about the situation in Indonesia, cool
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:Whoa, i'm Indonesian and you created a thread about the situation in Indonesia, cool

Yeah i kinda did that on purpose and i saw this in my national news channel
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Postby Pranovia » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:59 am

Vulkata II wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:Whoa, i'm Indonesian and you created a thread about the situation in Indonesia, cool

Yeah i kinda did that on purpose and i saw this in my national news channel

I sure hope that Duterte and Jokowi will get along. After all, they share lots of similarities.
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Pranovia wrote:
Vulkata II wrote:Yeah i kinda did that on purpose and i saw this in my national news channel

I sure hope that Duterte and Jokowi will get along. After all, they share lots of similarities.

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Vulkata II wrote:Yeah i kinda did that on purpose and i saw this in my national news channel

I sure hope that Duterte and Jokowi will get along. After all, they share lots of similarities.

Like that they are both a mayor of Zamboanga and Solo, respectively before becoming a president
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Postby Valaran » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:07 am

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Valaran wrote:
Its sort of his thing.

He's doing a form of brinkmanship on this, which is perhaps not my preferred approach, but hopefully some sort of security deal is reached.

Didn't read it but there's some talks with the Malaysian's about this with us Pinoys and Indonesian's



Ah, thanks for saying. I would have just stuck with those if I was him - if they didn't work out, then sure, go with the moratorium. But this may have made it quite acrimonious without good cause.

Of course, it could be a result of talks not getting very far, in which case this more drastic action is understandable.
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Can't the shipping companies just hire PMCs for protection? It seems to work out reasonably well for those sailing around the Horn of Africa.
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Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Can't the shipping companies just hire PMCs for protection? It seems to work out reasonably well for those sailing around the Horn of Africa.

Too expensive i guess? Idk there's some talks for now
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Valaran wrote:Its also just Jokowi trying to appear tough.

Well to be fair he does look like scrawny lil bitch, but lots of Indonesian hostages means he have to do something one time or another
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:07 am

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Pranovia wrote:This, is why I have always clamored for the return of Martial Law. The heaviness of crime committed by subversive insurgents is...very alarming.

Marshall law wont do anything but more fear,corruption and deaths for us.

Abu Sayyaf is a terrorist group in Mindanao, if anything we need to attack a lot their with strategic plannings

This sound like an Islamic terrorism problem given my knowledge of Mindanao.
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Postby Saradena » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:11 am

We need more naval assets. And more manpower.

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Vulkata II wrote:Marshall law wont do anything but more fear,corruption and deaths for us.

Abu Sayyaf is a terrorist group in Mindanao, if anything we need to attack a lot their with strategic plannings

This sound like an Islamic terrorism problem given my knowledge of Mindanao.

It is, since they're an offshoot of Al-Qaeda who just pledged allegiance to Daesh back in 2015.
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Saradena wrote:We need more naval assets. And more manpower.

The Serbian Empire wrote:This sound like an Islamic terrorism problem given my knowledge of Mindanao.

It is, since they're an offshoot of Al-Qaeda who just pledged allegiance to Daesh back in 2015.

So they use piracy to get funds. As soon as I heard beheadings of captives, I knew it was Islamic terrorism.
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Postby Seraven » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:15 am

Pranovia wrote:This, is why I have always clamored for the return of Martial Law. The heaviness of crime committed by subversive insurgents is...very alarming.


Please don't.

Valaran wrote:Its also just Jokowi trying to appear tough.


Or Philippines' security still not good enough for us Indonesians.

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Can't the shipping companies just hire PMCs for protection? It seems to work out reasonably well for those sailing around the Horn of Africa.


Price is high to hire PMC.

And Horn of Africa's trading is far more profitable and important.
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The philippines just needs to set a radar on one of the Sulu islands. Thus they can keep an eye on all boats in the South Sulu seas. They also need to keep coast guard bases on some of those islands. That part of the Philippines is said to be the least well off economically which could explain the pirates.

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Rio Cana wrote:The philippines just needs to set a radar on one of the Sulu islands. Thus they can keep an eye on all boats in the South Sulu seas. They also need to keep coast guard bases on some of those islands. That part of the Philippines is said to be the least well off economically which could explain the pirates.

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......Did the government knew all of this? If China and the Phil is having a starring contest why don't we just do this in the first place?
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Vulkata II wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:The philippines just needs to set a radar on one of the Sulu islands. Thus they can keep an eye on all boats in the South Sulu seas. They also need to keep coast guard bases on some of those islands. That part of the Philippines is said to be the least well off economically which could explain the pirates.

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......Did the government knew all of this? If China and the Phil is having a starring contest why don't we just do this in the first place?


The Philippines military is plagued by chronic underfunding and corruption in the procurement system. Filipino military personnel are brave and decently trained for the most part, though training could be better. But their equipment is pathetic.
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Postby Vulkata II » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:00 pm

Novus America wrote:
Vulkata II wrote:......Did the government knew all of this? If China and the Phil is having a starring contest why don't we just do this in the first place?


The Philippines military is plagued by chronic underfunding and corruption in the procurement system. Filipino military personnel are brave and decently trained for the most part, though training could be better. But their equipment is pathetic.

Can you really blame us? We don't even have a tank and use BTR's instead really i checked our wikipedia page on our military.

Though it may be useful seeing this is a small island that can easily be surrounded
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