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Are Tobacco Taxes Racist?

Postby Costa Fierro » Mon May 30, 2016 11:13 pm

New Zealand's leading Maori tobacco researcher says further tax increases on smokers have become a racist policy that is discriminating against Maori, mental health patients and others.

Dr Marewa Glover, who has spent 23 years in tobacco research and supported further tax increases as recently as last year, says she has changed her mind because the tax increases of 10 per cent a year since 2010 have had no significant effect on smoking rates for the two biggest smoking groups - Maori and Pacific people.

Last week's Budget said the policy of raising taxes by 10 per cent a year would continue until 2020, lifting the price of a typical pack of cigarettes to $30.

"My support was contingent on a reduction in smoking, especially for Maori women, and that hasn't happened," said Dr Glover, an associate professor at Massey University.

The 2014-15 NZ Health Survey found the numbers of Maori women smoking daily fell only slightly over the past nine years, from 41.8 per cent in 2006-07 to 40 per cent.

The rate for Pacific women actually increased, from 19.7 per cent to 20.6 per cent.

The rates for Maori and Pacific men dropped more. But even those changes were not statistically significant because of small sample sizes.

Smoking rates for Europeans and Asians did drop significantly.


All aboard the racism train! Next stop: Discrimination Station!

Over recent years, the New Zealand government has pursued a policy with one of it's coalition partners, the Maori Party, introducing tobacco taxes as a way of reducing smoking rates among the populace as well as likely using the money to pay for health costs. And this has been largely effective across many communities in New Zealand except in Maori and Pacific Islander communities. These were proposed by former Maori Paty co-leader Dame Tariana Turia, who claims they are not racist.

So rather than find alternative ways to deal with this, Dr Glover has decided to play the "race" card by calling it "legal discrimination". Outside from the fact that recent bans on outdoor smoking are moronic, the idea that the tobacco tax increases are "racist" is absurd. If it was racist, then the policy would have been specifically aimed at Maori and Pacific Islanders and not already considered to be a public health issue that needed addressing. Glover also claims that she doesn't support the moves anymore because rates have not dropped significantly, despite other studies confirming significant drops not only in Maori women who smoke regularly but also Maori youth also.

So, NSG. Is a tax policy proposed and introduced by a Maori political party racist against Maori and Pacific Islanders?
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Postby Drown » Mon May 30, 2016 11:19 pm

Is air racist?

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Postby Northern Freikur » Mon May 30, 2016 11:23 pm

Bruh...
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At this point, the color of the sky is racist...
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon May 30, 2016 11:27 pm

Doesn't sound racist to me.

But then I am a very old ship, and I don't have the equipment to detect microaggressions. Microaggression radar is a 20th century invention.
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Postby Drown » Mon May 30, 2016 11:35 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Doesn't sound racist to me.

But then I am a very old ship, and I don't have the equipment to detect microaggressions. Microaggression radar is a 20th century invention.

microaggressions are a load of shit

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Postby Radiatia » Mon May 30, 2016 11:41 pm

I am still yet to hear anyone accuse something of being racist who understands what the word 'racist' means.

I mean, the study has a point in that tobacco taxes are ineffective and disproportionately target Maori and Pacifika people - however, that's not a race thing, that's a class thing. Taxes like these are always going to effect the poor the most. Maori and Pacific people, for whatever reason, just tend to be overrepresented in this socio-economic bracket.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 30, 2016 11:43 pm

All taxation is racism.
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Postby Drown » Mon May 30, 2016 11:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:All taxation is theft.

ftfy

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Postby USS Monitor » Mon May 30, 2016 11:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:All taxation is racism.


So racism is theft? :blink:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 30, 2016 11:46 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:All taxation is racism.


So racism is theft? :blink:


Yes, it makes sense if you think about it :p
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Mon May 30, 2016 11:47 pm

It's not racist if they continue to smoke, despite the higher prices. It's actually quite genius for NZ to see how much they can squeeze out of people before they quit smoking and spend money on something else.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 30, 2016 11:47 pm

Drown wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:All taxation is theft.

ftfy


Yup. Let's completely defund the military since taxes are stolen property.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 30, 2016 11:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Drown wrote:ftfy


Yup. Let's completely defund the military since taxes are stolen property.


Who needs a military when you have citizens like me? :lol:

In all seriousness no this isn't racism.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon May 30, 2016 11:51 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:It's not racist if they continue to smoke, despite the higher prices. It's actually quite genius for NZ to see how much they can squeeze out of people before they quit smoking and spend money on something else.


Like alcohol. Difference is, there'd be a revolution if people took our beer away.
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Postby Northern Freikur » Mon May 30, 2016 11:52 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Drown wrote:ftfy


Yup. Let's completely defund the military since taxes are stolen property.


I guess Socialism is also racist. (It actually is, but not in this way)

Evidence of my first claim...
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon May 30, 2016 11:52 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Drown wrote:ftfy


Yup. Let's completely defund the military since taxes are stolen property.


Now you know why so many Libertarians want to cut the military budget and fight fewer wars.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Mon May 30, 2016 11:53 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:It's not racist if they continue to smoke, despite the higher prices. It's actually quite genius for NZ to see how much they can squeeze out of people before they quit smoking and spend money on something else.


Like alcohol. Difference is, there'd be a revolution if people took our beer away.

Taking it away is different than taxing the shit out of it.
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Postby Drown » Mon May 30, 2016 11:56 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Drown wrote:ftfy


Yup. Let's completely defund the military since taxes are stolen property.

Sounds good to me.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 31, 2016 12:04 am

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Like alcohol. Difference is, there'd be a revolution if people took our beer away.

Taking it away is different than taxing the shit out of it.


The whole point of taxing the shit out of tobacco is to make people smoke less by making it so expensive, it's not worth the cost.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Tue May 31, 2016 12:11 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:Taking it away is different than taxing the shit out of it.


The whole point of taxing the shit out of tobacco is to make people smoke less by making it so expensive, it's not worth the cost.

Yes. But if you can afford it, or you're willing to buy it, then you can still get it. Making it illegal just breeds a profitable underground. But if you keep it legal and tax the shit out of it, then people with either go for broke by buying it, or they'll quit.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue May 31, 2016 12:14 am

Drown wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:All taxation is theft.

ftfy

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Postby Czech your Privelidge » Tue May 31, 2016 12:22 am

It is such a typical racist Cis-Male tax. If it were white people they wouldn't do it!
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Postby The Union of English Speaking Countries » Tue May 31, 2016 12:25 am

Oh god.

Its shit like this and other 'microaggressions' that have caused the words like Racism and Sexism to lose all meaning.
First air-conditioning was sexist, now taxing smoking is racist. What next is breathing going to be considered oppression of plants?
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