by Aethrys » Fri May 27, 2016 6:52 am
by Ranko Kanzaki » Fri May 27, 2016 6:57 am
Ardoki wrote:Hitler was basically a libertarian, he supported the libertarian ideology of social Darwinism.
by MERIZoC » Fri May 27, 2016 7:03 am
by Ganonsyoni » Fri May 27, 2016 7:05 am
by The Romulan Republic » Fri May 27, 2016 7:05 am
Merizoc wrote:This is idiotic. Police are already protected in the sense that there are already increased punishments for people who kill police officers. The purpose of hate crime laws is to protect people from crimes targeting them for things they cannot change, or should not change, not occupation. This makes the point of hate crime legislation pointless. Crimes against police are already handled very seriously by the authorities, for obvious reasons. The same cannot be said for crimes against transgender people or minorities. Furthermore, one would be hard pressed to prove that a large number of killings of cops are driven by a hatred for them in the first place. So what's the real purpose of this legislation?
by MERIZoC » Fri May 27, 2016 7:10 am
The Romulan Republic wrote:Merizoc wrote:This is idiotic. Police are already protected in the sense that there are already increased punishments for people who kill police officers. The purpose of hate crime laws is to protect people from crimes targeting them for things they cannot change, or should not change, not occupation. This makes the point of hate crime legislation pointless. Crimes against police are already handled very seriously by the authorities, for obvious reasons. The same cannot be said for crimes against transgender people or minorities. Furthermore, one would be hard pressed to prove that a large number of killings of cops are driven by a hatred for them in the first place. So what's the real purpose of this legislation?
To undermine civil rights legislation and minority rights and score points with Right wing voters who hate Black Lives Matter (or just hate Black people)?
Seriously, its a red state. What do people expect?
by Great Kauthar » Fri May 27, 2016 7:11 am
The Romulan Republic wrote:Merizoc wrote:This is idiotic. Police are already protected in the sense that there are already increased punishments for people who kill police officers. The purpose of hate crime laws is to protect people from crimes targeting them for things they cannot change, or should not change, not occupation. This makes the point of hate crime legislation pointless. Crimes against police are already handled very seriously by the authorities, for obvious reasons. The same cannot be said for crimes against transgender people or minorities. Furthermore, one would be hard pressed to prove that a large number of killings of cops are driven by a hatred for them in the first place. So what's the real purpose of this legislation?
To undermine civil rights legislation and minority rights and score points with Right wing voters who hate Black Lives Matter (or just hate Black people)?
Seriously, its a red state. What do people expect?
by The Romulan Republic » Fri May 27, 2016 7:14 am
Merizoc wrote:The Romulan Republic wrote:
To undermine civil rights legislation and minority rights and score points with Right wing voters who hate Black Lives Matter (or just hate Black people)?
Seriously, its a red state. What do people expect?
Well yeah, I was asking rhetorically.
It is red, though the governor is a Democrat. He does however, have familial relations with police officers, interestingly enough.
by MERIZoC » Fri May 27, 2016 7:20 am
Alvecia wrote:I'm not sure this should be classified as a hate crime. Perhaps it would've been better to set up a seperate category for first responders with similar punishment.
by Alvecia » Fri May 27, 2016 7:31 am
by Aethrys » Fri May 27, 2016 7:38 am
Merizoc wrote:This is idiotic. Police are already protected in the sense that there are already increased punishments for people who kill police officers. The purpose of hate crime laws is to protect people from crimes targeting them for things they cannot change, or should not change, not occupation. This makes the point of hate crime legislation pointless. Crimes against police are already handled very seriously by the authorities, for obvious reasons. The same cannot be said for crimes against transgender people or minorities. Furthermore, one would be hard pressed to prove that a large number of killings of cops are driven by a hatred for them in the first place. So what's the real purpose of this legislation?
by MERIZoC » Fri May 27, 2016 7:41 am
Aethrys wrote:Merizoc wrote:This is idiotic. Police are already protected in the sense that there are already increased punishments for people who kill police officers. The purpose of hate crime laws is to protect people from crimes targeting them for things they cannot change, or should not change, not occupation. This makes the point of hate crime legislation pointless. Crimes against police are already handled very seriously by the authorities, for obvious reasons. The same cannot be said for crimes against transgender people or minorities. Furthermore, one would be hard pressed to prove that a large number of killings of cops are driven by a hatred for them in the first place. So what's the real purpose of this legislation?
Should attacks on people because of their religion be considered hate crimes? People can and have been known to change their religious beliefs.
by Ifreann » Fri May 27, 2016 7:42 am
by Ostroeuropa » Fri May 27, 2016 7:45 am
legal fiction
noun
an assertion that is accepted as true for legal purposes, even though it may be untrue or unproven.
by Kelinfort » Fri May 27, 2016 7:45 am
by Esternial » Fri May 27, 2016 7:45 am
Ifreann wrote:Obviously attacking first responders in the course of their duties is more serious than attacking someone delivering pizza(though not by much), but it's not a hate crime.
by Aethrys » Fri May 27, 2016 7:48 am
Merizoc wrote:Aethrys wrote:
Should attacks on people because of their religion be considered hate crimes? People can and have been known to change their religious beliefs.
Religious and political beliefs are still a matter of identity. They can be changed, but not really consciously. One doesn't really just decide to stop believing in god. The same cannot be said for occupation.
by Arlathan and the Dales » Fri May 27, 2016 7:50 am
by MERIZoC » Fri May 27, 2016 7:50 am
Aethrys wrote:Merizoc wrote:Religious and political beliefs are still a matter of identity. They can be changed, but not really consciously. One doesn't really just decide to stop believing in god. The same cannot be said for occupation.
One doesn't just decide to stop needing an income either. It takes a significant effort and commitment to become a first responder. It seems a bit absurd to say "Well they can just change careers."
What exactly is the harm here? If a serial arsonist decides to start killing firefighters because they like to spoil his fun and put out his pretty blazes and gets caught doing so, he gets a heavier sentence. Why all the outrage at an effort to get people to stop killing emergency services personnel?
by Ostroeuropa » Fri May 27, 2016 7:50 am
Kelinfort wrote:Well it makes sense if the express motive is to kill an officer or an EMT because of their position.
Eh, it's not that big a deal. Though there definitely needs to be hate crime legislation for transgender victims of crime.
by Ostroeuropa » Fri May 27, 2016 7:52 am
Merizoc wrote:Aethrys wrote:
One doesn't just decide to stop needing an income either. It takes a significant effort and commitment to become a first responder. It seems a bit absurd to say "Well they can just change careers."
What exactly is the harm here? If a serial arsonist decides to start killing firefighters because they like to spoil his fun and put out his pretty blazes and gets caught doing so, he gets a heavier sentence. Why all the outrage at an effort to get people to stop killing emergency services personnel?
If a serial arsonist is killing firemen, he's already going away for a long time. There's no need to muddle hate crime legislation with inconsistencies.
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