[DEFEATED] Repeal "Preventing Animal Abuse"

[Imperium Anglorum]

Jeez, if this reflects your real life beliefs then are you one of those typical American right-wing "commie/pinko"-fearing Americans?

This country (U.S.) should have socialized medicine.

OOC: There is a large difference between not-supporting-Sanders and right-wing-xenophobia.

Oh, and classical liberalism, in my opinion, is more like conservative-libertarianism or just libertarianism.

I don't understand this notion on NS of people using the "classical liberalism" label to attempt to negate or nullify or somehow lessen attacks
from other actual modern liberals who attack some of their disgusting conservative views, remember that "classical liberalism" is not
today's liberalism, hence the name, "classical" to distinguish it. Remember, we are not in the 19th century which was the century
for classical liberalism. Note, I never said one cannot be a classical liberal simply because we are not in the 19th century.

Not all people on this forum are from the United States. People from Australia have a right-wing party called the Liberal Party and a left-wing one called Labor (not misspelt). People in the UK have the Liberal Democrats who descend from the Liberal Party who are very centrist and pro-free market. It is primarily in the United States where liberal gained a definition also as 'the left' (for example, the left in Germany is not Liberale partei, but rather, Der Linke or Linkspartei). I was, naturally, very confused when I first got into a discussion about politics in the US.

[Sciongrad]

OOC: one can oppose Bernie Sanders and still be a classical liberal or even a leftist. Categorically reducing it to a black and white dichotomy does you no favors. Kindly avoid generalizing so very, very poorly.

Yeah, I prefer black and white. I don't believe in "centrism" either. "Centrist" or "third position" is just code for fascism to me.

OOC: This is actually laughably uninformed and demonstrates a total misunderstanding of the most fundamental principles of political theory, but this forum is not an appropriate place to have that discussion, nor is it an appropriate place to debate Bernie Sanders' qualifications or SP's left wing bona fides.

[Europe and Oceania]

Jeez, if this reflects your real life beliefs then are you one of those typical American right-wing "commie/pinko"-fearing Americans?

This country (U.S.) should have socialized medicine.

OOC: There is a large difference between not-supporting-Sanders and right-wing-xenophobia.

He is not just "not-supporting-sanders". "ANYONE but Bernie 2016!" which means he'd rather have an incompetent ignorant clown
like Donald Trump in the White House over Bernie Sanders. Now there must be some great fear, disdain, or hatred for Bernie Sanders
from SP.

OOC: This is actually laughably uninformed and demonstrates a total misunderstanding of the most fundamental principles of political theory, but this forum is not an appropriate place to have that discussion, nor is it an appropriate place to debate Bernie Sanders' qualifications or SP's left wing bona fides.

Note that I said "centrism is code for fascism to me", because that's my opinion, I never said it was fact or true simply because
that's what I believe.

"Political scientist Roger Griffin dismisses Third Positionist claims of being "beyond left and right" as specious. He argues that Third Positionism is an ideological mutation of the far right, which rejects both Marxism and liberalism for a synthesis of palingenetic ultranationalism with either socialism, distributism, corporatism or anarchism.". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position

Oh let's see some of their "centrist" ideology:

Third Position Ideology

[Sciongrad]

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OOC: You are conflating centrism and third position, which, while occasionally referred to as third way, is totally distinct from "third way" politics à la Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. I actually disagree that the third position Griffin is referring to is really a far right ideology, but it is also not the third way ideology you seem to be thinking of, nor is it centrism. It's a particularly confusing instance of polysemy, but that doesn't excuse blatant misinterpretation. So until you're ready to seriously argue that the Lib Dems are fascists, your argument is bogus. But this is a digression that I have unfortunately fed into, so I'm gonna end the thread jack.

[Weegee Nation]

I think what I think.
#rekt
#getsclaimedforimmaturity.

Mk. Mk. Mk.

[Europe and Oceania]

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OOC: You are conflating centrism and third position, which, while occasionally referred to as third way, is totally distinct from "third way" politics à la Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. I actually disagree that the third position Griffin is referring to is really a far right ideology, but it is also not the third way ideology you seem to be thinking of, nor is it centrism. It's a particularly confusing instance of polysemy, but that doesn't excuse blatant misinterpretation. So until you're ready to seriously argue that the Lib Dems are fascists, your argument is bogus. But this is a digression that I have unfortunately fed into, so I'm gonna end the thread jack.

"Until I'm ready to argue liberal democrats are fascists".

?

[Sciongrad]

OOC: You are conflating centrism and third position, which, while occasionally referred to as third way, is totally distinct from "third way" politics à la Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. I actually disagree that the third position Griffin is referring to is really a far right ideology, but it is also not the third way ideology you seem to be thinking of, nor is it centrism. It's a particularly confusing instance of polysemy, but that doesn't excuse blatant misinterpretation. So until you're ready to seriously argue that the Lib Dems are fascists, your argument is bogus. But this is a digression that I have unfortunately fed into, so I'm gonna end the thread jack.

Did you just say Liberal democrats are fascists?

OOC: No, you did. If centrists are fascists, so are Tim Farron's Lib Dems. But again, this is not an appropriate discussion for this forum. If you want to talk about how Tony Blair and the Weimar Querfront were fascists, do it through telegram, not here.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: last I checked, this thread isn't about my political position, so this threadjack needs to find a different avenue than the forum.

[Araraukar]

OOC: EaO, take your political paranoia to NSG, please. It has nothing to do with GA and literally nothing to do with the topic.

~ RL supporter (and 2000-2008 in party politics up to the national level) of Left Alliance

"Repeal "Preventing Animal Abuse"" was defeated 10,858 votes to 5,645.

I didn't vote, but it wasn't because of Auralia being the author. I hope this can be repealed sooner rather than later, and a better replacement written up. Or a blocker that leaves it to the nations to decide.

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Ooc: last I checked, this thread isn't about my political position, so this threadjack needs to find a different avenue than the forum.

This, exactly. Thread jack stops now.

[Khar Od]

100% agree. Animal testing is very, very important, and there is no reason that animals should take priority over humans.

We of Firsthome believe endangered species take priority over humans, as there are less of them than us, and will vote against this until you show us the revised bill.

We the Republic of Khar Od believe in the historical significance of endangered and extinct species. However, we also believe in the principal of the survival of the fittest. Humans are abundant on this planet because our genetics made us most fit to adapt and grow within our environment, other species, less fit, have been dying out for millennia because their genetics and ability to adapt make them less fit for the world as it has become.

[Araraukar]

Humans are abundant on this planet because our genetics made us most fit to adapt and grow within our environment, other species, less fit, have been dying out for millennia because their genetics and ability to adapt make them less fit for the world as it has become.

OOC: Humans without their technology wouldn't be very fit for most environments on Earth, but if it's different in your IC reality, go for it. However, I don't see what that has anything to do with animal abuse. Endangered species have their own resolution.