Can Communism be good for society if executed correctly?

[Timsvill]

So here's a thought, can Communism be good for society if executed correctly? Well in theory communism is a good idea, it's never been executed correctly and has given the people of communist countries less rights. Communism was suppose to give only the workers rights and not take away any other rights. Vladimir Lenin changed that and he put communism on the path towards what it is today. If the Petrograd Soviet's stayed in power, than communism would be very different. Communism would be another form of democracy, with elections and such. Just with out the capitalism.

NSG, what do you guys think?

[Gauthier]

That's why it's called commun-ism. It works wonders in small communes. Trying to run a whole country like that? Not so great.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Eh. I always wondered how they determined everyone's needs. It seems like a naturally unfair system to me.

[Peoples Democratic Republic of Alex]

Communism looks really good on paper but in reality it never works because of competition.
If the government owns all the business (like socialism and communism) then nobody has any motivation to innovate because their company can't go bust and they cant lose their jobs and there's no other company that they have to do better than.
Whereas in capitalism the businesses are private so they are actually forced to do better than each other to survive so they actually have to make good products.
Korea and Germany are good examples of this.
West Germany after WW2 and South Korea after the Korean war were capitalist but East Germany and North Korea were communist.
West Germany made cars like Mercedes and BMW, East Germany made the Trabant (no one has heard of it because they went bankrupt as soon as the east germans were allowed to buy western cars).
And then with Korea, South Korea has companies like Samsung and Hyundai, but I cant think of anything from North Korea.
So in short, no communism cant be good for society long term because all the businesses fail and this just makes the economy stagnate or fall, and since the government own all the businessess this means that the government eventually runs out of money (like in the USSR).

[Ashmoria]

probably not

but you would have to outline how a communist system can be correctly instituted in a country of 100-300+ million people.

[Alvecia]

Most ideologies would be utopic if everything went as expected. Communism is no different.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I think communism could work if done right, I think the same for Islamism. I support Socialism more though.

[Kriga]

I think communism could work if done right, I think the same for Islamism. I support Socialism more though.

Not Islamism. As long as you place emphasis on one religion over other belief systems, it won't work at all.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I think communism could work if done right, I think the same for Islamism. I support Socialism more though.

Not Islamism. As long as you place emphasis on one religion over other belief systems, it won't work at all.

Unless you put it on the people who adhere to Islam, it's ok. Wait a sec, there's a forum for this, let debate about it there.

[Kriga]

Not Islamism. As long as you place emphasis on one religion over other belief systems, it won't work at all.

Unless you put it on the people who adhere to Islam, it's ok. Wait a sec, there's a forum for this, let debate about it there.

So much for bringing it up...

Yeah, give me the link please. Would appreciate it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Unless you put it on the people who adhere to Islam, it's ok. Wait a sec, there's a forum for this, let debate about it there.

So much for bringing it up...

Yeah, give me the link please. Would appreciate it.

Go to the Islamic Discussion thread.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Of course, to a communist, the question is more whether the bourgeoisie can be good for society if executed properly.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

http://greengarageblog.org/10-chief-pro ... -communism The pros and cons of communism. Many of the cons can be fixed imo.

[The Imperial Citizens Alliance]

True communism is utopianism, Capitalism can never be like such, as there will always be those bellow and those above.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

True communism is utopianism, Capitalism can never be like such, as there will always be those bellow and those above.

Capitalism sucks really really really bad.

[The Imperial Citizens Alliance]

True communism is utopianism, Capitalism can never be like such, as there will always be those bellow and those above.

Capitalism sucks really really really bad.

I don't agree entirely in that aspect. Capitalism facilitates competition, which allows people to try, and tech to advance.

[Community Values]

I think looking at the "utopic" version of all ideological systems would be good for society. I think if Capitalism was "executed correctly", then there would be no or little to no poverty. I'm also sure, as regrettable as this might be, even if the alt right was "executed correctly", it could be good for society. And then there's the whole fact of separating a book or a dogma of what the creator believes, and the reality of something being "executed correctly", which never happens. It's just a matter of what works the least worst, and I think for all intents and purposes we find that it is European Socialism and Capitalism.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Capitalism sucks really really really bad.

I don't agree entirely in that aspect. Capitalism facilitates competition, which allows people to try, and tech to advance.

Yeah, but that happens on such an extreme that there are those who are millionaires and those who can barely find a penny.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I think looking at the "utopic" version of all ideological systems would be good for society. I think if Capitalism was "executed correctly", then there would be no or little to no poverty. I'm also sure, as regrettable as this might be, even if the alt right was "executed correctly", it could be good for society. And then there's the whole fact of separating a book or a dogma of what the creator believes, and the reality of something being "executed correctly", which never happens. It's just a matter of what works the least worst, and I think for all intents and purposes we find that it is European Socialism and Capitalism.

Whats with the 'European' part of it?

[North Atlantic Treaty]

You may already have answered your own question. It has never been realized outside of small communes and I don't see any evidence for it to work on a large scale.
One especially big problem is the identification of demand and the effective allocation of resources.

[Rangila]

Never has worked and never will work.

[North Atlantic Treaty]

I think looking at the "utopic" version of all ideological systems would be good for society. I think if Capitalism was "executed correctly", then there would be no or little to no poverty. I'm also sure, as regrettable as this might be, even if the alt right was "executed correctly", it could be good for society. And then there's the whole fact of separating a book or a dogma of what the creator believes, and the reality of something being "executed correctly", which never happens. It's just a matter of what works the least worst, and I think for all intents and purposes we find that it is European Socialism and Capitalism.

By "European Socialism" you mean the mixed economies of the richer EU countries? If so, then it's a bit of a confusing term because this type of economy is popular even among the European center-right (e.g. CDU-style "social market economy").

[Community Values]

I think looking at the "utopic" version of all ideological systems would be good for society. I think if Capitalism was "executed correctly", then there would be no or little to no poverty. I'm also sure, as regrettable as this might be, even if the alt right was "executed correctly", it could be good for society. And then there's the whole fact of separating a book or a dogma of what the creator believes, and the reality of something being "executed correctly", which never happens. It's just a matter of what works the least worst, and I think for all intents and purposes we find that it is European Socialism and Capitalism.

Whats with the 'European' part of it?

Well, I guess Chinese socialism has worked, if one could even call it that. Is there any other successful socialist countries? I'm genuinely interested. It does seem that mixing socialism and capitalism works the best, which is generally dubbed as European style socialism, which is why I typed it.

[Community Values]

I think looking at the "utopic" version of all ideological systems would be good for society. I think if Capitalism was "executed correctly", then there would be no or little to no poverty. I'm also sure, as regrettable as this might be, even if the alt right was "executed correctly", it could be good for society. And then there's the whole fact of separating a book or a dogma of what the creator believes, and the reality of something being "executed correctly", which never happens. It's just a matter of what works the least worst, and I think for all intents and purposes we find that it is European Socialism and Capitalism.

By "European Socialism" you mean the mixed economies of the richer EU countries? If so, then it's a bit of a confusing term because this type of economy is popular even among the European center-right (e.g. CDU-style "social market economy").

I'll revise my answer, it seems that CDU-style "social market economy" and capitalism works the best. In all honesty, it's much easier to say European Socialism.

[Old Tyrannia]

A communist society that functioned exactly as envisaged and promoted by communists would certainly be a utopia in purely material terms. However, even then I would not chose to live in such a society, because the values of such a society do not appeal to me, and therefore I would be discontent even if materially comfortable. Whether a communist society could function in the modern developed world is questionable; there is no precedent for a communist society functioning in modern times, on a large scale, over a long period of time. Efforts to construct such a society following the precepts of Marx and Engels have invariably been derailed into state socialist dictatorships dominated by bureaucratic and military elites, the worst of which matched or exceeded the worst excesses of the capitalist system.