Dogs kill child

[Camelza]

Two rottweilers killed a child in Kozani-Greece today. Apparently the parents lost track of their five-year-old kid that went out in the garden during a visit to a familiar person's house, while the two rottweilers(out of eight) escaped (their house had a small door that didn't close well) and found themselves in the neighbouring house, the one whose garden the kid was in. The rottweilers were examined and it was made certain that they were all severely abused in purpose to be more aggressive (propably for dog-fights, in my opinion).
The parents and the 72-year-old owner of the rottweilers face charges of negligence and murder by criminal negligence respectively. The president of the Rottweiler Club of Greece condemned the owner, naming him the "real monster" and the one responsible for this tragedy and also petitioned the government to demand official licences for the ownership of stronger dogs(ie; German Sheps, Rottweilers, Dobermanns, Bulldogs, Molossers, etc).

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So NS, what do you think? Who was at fault? Should larger dogs that have the capacity to kill be allowed to be owned without a license? What about other animals? Is it ok if the owner does not expose them to other humans (keeping them in the house)? What should be the owner requirements set by the state for owning an animal?

I believe that it's not the Rottweilers fault, but the owner's. His negligence and abuse led to this kid's death, this could be avoided in the future if the state required a licence from people with strong animals that have the capacity to kill humans.
This licence should verify that the owner is not mentaly unstable and that he treats the animals according to their needs - in dogs' case: the owner should socialize them from an early age with humans to avoid random and unwanted aggressiveness.

[Kvatchdom]

Kill the dog, punish the owner.

[Jochistan]

Seriously. What the hell? Fucking Dog fighters are scum.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Owner sounds like an utter dick.

This is pretty tragic.

[Equestria and Griffon]

Sometimes we don't care about Greece.

I need greentext.

>Implying that the owner is fucked up

[The Serbian Empire]

The dog owners need some jail time.

[The Snazzylands]

I need greentext.

No. No you don't.

[Camelza]

Kill the dog, punish the owner.

These two will propably happen, but it won't guarantee that something similar doesn't happen again.

Owner sounds like an utter dick.
This is pretty tragic.

That is sure: Having eight dogs -BIG dogs- in a really small place and not even socializing them with humans ..propably abuse them as well, will only lead to disaster.

And yes, yes it is.

[Risottia]

The parents and the 72-year-old owner of the rottweilers face charges of negligence and murder by criminal negligence respectively. ...
So NS, what do you think? Who was at fault?

I think the charges seem reasonable.

Ceterum censeo canes delendos esse, but that's another story.

[The Serbian Empire]

The parents and the 72-year-old owner of the rottweilers face charges of negligence and murder by criminal negligence respectively. ...
So NS, what do you think? Who was at fault?

I think the charges seem reasonable.

Ceterum censeo canes delendos esse, but that's another story.

And dogs must be destroyed? So that's what cats think.

[Lamadia]

Destroy the dogs, a serious penalty for the owners.

[Ostroeuropa]

I got this covered.

It's the owners responsibility to take all reasonable measures to ensure their dogs aren't a threat to others. To not do so is negligent. The dog is not at fault. I oppose dog licensing, but would support it if we got a better grasp on our homeless and unadopted dog populations like Germany by banning puppy mills and regulating breeding, once there is not an unadopted dog crisis, I would support stronger restrictions on adoption.

Not exposing some dogs to other humans, at least for a while, might be necessary if that is the particular neuroses of the dog, the alternative would be to euthanize them, some dogs with such severe cases of abuse in their past are adopted by animal care workers who would not allow the dog to come into contact with others except under strictly controlled conditions. The state not allowing such dogs to be adopted is unnecessary, animal care workers will not allow such a dog to be adopted by unknown agents. If there isn't a viable mental health reason for this to be happening, it's a red flag and might signal further abuse is taking place.

The state isn't very necessary except in terms of licensing adoption charities, and perhaps overseeing their failure rates. (Adopting out dogs which die, are returned, or are abused.)
The charities should (And do.) require that the habitat be secure, safe, spacious enough, and healthy. In cases of dogs with particular disabilities, they should consider requiring ground floor accommodation, an inspection should be mandatory and often is. The occupants of the habitat should all have their histories screened, and this should be facilitated by government records. The adoption agency should then take steps to ensure the primary carer for the dog is aware of the specific dogs needs, including health, diet, excercise, and the particular mental state of the dog.
Obtaining a reference from another dog or animal owner might also be a good idea to require.

I do not support the destruction of the dog in this case. It can be rehabilitated, or cared for by animal care workers until it is euthanized should that prove impossible. Judges and lawmakers are not experts in this matter.

[Zaurell]

Dogs are a religion of peace

Dogs don't kill people, irresponsible dog owners do.

Where did Jochistan say dogs were a religion of peace? That makes no logical sense and you could get in trouble for impersonation.

[Risottia]

So that's what cats think.

Kittenkind has tolerated The Animals Who Must Not Be Named and their attempt at stealing their humans for too long now.

[Risottia]

Dogs don't kill people, irresponsible dog owners do.

Where did Jochistan say dogs were a religion of peace? That makes no logical sense and you could get in trouble for impersonation.

It's called "malicious quote editing".

[Saiwania]

I'm in favor of dog licensing for certain breeds as an alternative for an outright ban. But more importantly, there should be a restriction on the number of large dogs someone can own, unless they can demonstrate that they have one dog well under control and can reasonably handle the additional workload of having another to look after.

[Zaurell]

Where did Jochistan say dogs were a religion of peace? That makes no logical sense and you could get in trouble for impersonation.

It's called "malicious quote editing".

Oh. My mistake.

[Luminesa]

Owner should be charged with negligence. Which I think is what's happening. Also, animal abuse.

The poor little kid. Prayers for them and their family...

[The Imperium Empires]

God they both did the dog and the owner. Kill the dogs ,arrest the owner.

[The Grey Wolf]

I'm not sure about a dog license, but the owner should be held fully responsible.

The worst part is that the parents not only lost their child, but are being charged.

[The Imperium Empires]

I'm not sure about a dog license, but the owner should be held fully responsible.

The worst part is that the parents not only lost their child, but are being charged.

Because the world is run by idiots that the parents would get charged.

[United Seasonal Osnilian Districts]

This very incident is why dogs should be locked up and cats allowed to roam.

[San Marlindo]

We're just giving the Kult of Kefka more ammo guys.

[Ostroeuropa]

God they both did the dog and the owner. Kill the dogs ,arrest the owner.

Killing the dog isn't necessary, or might not be.

[The Grey Wolf]

We're just giving the Kult of Kefka more ammo guys.

So I'm not the only one who thought this.