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Where You Shop- Demonstration of Social Class?

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Do we judge class based on supermarket choice?

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Where You Shop- Demonstration of Social Class?

Postby Moctina » Mon May 02, 2016 7:19 am

After a long & detailed discussion with several other UK players on NationStates, we began to debate the wealth implications with where one shops, generally for groceries, on a weekly basis.
Supermarkets, in Britain certainly, have often determined social status, in particular in recent years, as 'posh bashing' has become more and more popular, and as the purchase of groceries online has seen a rapid success in comparison to actually shopping. Supermarkets/shops such as Waitrose, M&S etc, etc are often compared, often in the name of wit, as the supermarket of the upper-middle classes, the more affluent members of society who can afford to drop income on a better quality of food, wine & clothing. Likewise, shops such as Tesco, ASDA, Lidl and so on have been described as the 'average Joe's shop', used by the cold, huddled masses!

In my view, there is a class implication with supermarkets and where you shop. My parents & I buy simple groceries, such as bread, such as milk, such as eggs, meats, cleaning products, vegetables, from Waitrose and M&S, as they are the closest, and best quality, supermarket, preferring to buy more distinguished foods such as some meats, some fruits, wines, clothes from department stores, generally in London. The food in supermarkets such as Tesco, although is evidently quite safe & of a good quality, is, arguably, not as luxury as those in their higher-end counterparts, whilst not offering as wide-of-a-choice in some products.
This is a rather laid-back topic, and I hope it will be treated as such, however I would quite like to see your views on it. Please feel free to share your own personal experiences & views, and discuss perhaps if this is the course of British society. Should we really judge class on supermarket? Do we do it anyway? Is it ethical or good for business? Share your comments below.
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Postby Khadgar » Mon May 02, 2016 7:21 am

What an utterly odd thing to be concerned about. Why would you care where someone shopped?

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Postby Moctina » Mon May 02, 2016 7:22 am

Khadgar wrote:What an utterly odd thing to be concerned about. Why would you care where someone shopped?

It is vulgar, yes, but I think it is very common.
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Postby Dakini » Mon May 02, 2016 7:24 am

I've been shopping at Sainsbury's... but that's just because there's one close to my flat.

When I was staying downtown and had more options, I preferred Lidl because it was cheaper than Tesco. If the food's basically the same, I don't really see the point in paying more for it unless there's a significant convenience factor.
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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Mon May 02, 2016 7:24 am

I suppose one could draw broad inferences of economic status based on grocery shopping like most other kind of shopping.

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Postby Valaran » Mon May 02, 2016 7:24 am

Khadgar wrote:What an utterly odd thing to be concerned about. Why would you care where someone shopped?


Its (somewhat?) a brit thing, we're obsessed about class, and appearances and pretensions pertaining to it. Its long been an idea that certain shops reflect this social strata.
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Postby Questers » Mon May 02, 2016 7:25 am

There is obviously some level of class association with supermarket choice, but I don't think it's quite as distinct as everyone thinks it is. In many areas of the country there just isn't a huge amount of choice.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Mon May 02, 2016 7:35 am

Moctina wrote:
Khadgar wrote:What an utterly odd thing to be concerned about. Why would you care where someone shopped?

It is vulgar, yes, but I think it is very common.

Common in your world, yes.

I suppose I'm from what would be considered a middle class household and we shop at a mixture of Tescos, Waitrose and Sainsbury's. No need to waste money on a finer cut of a pig's arsehole. Plus at shops like Aldi and Lidl you can get some good quality food at a low price. Really the difference is arbitrary.
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Postby Moctina » Mon May 02, 2016 7:37 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Moctina wrote:It is vulgar, yes, but I think it is very common.

Common in your world, yes.

I suppose I'm from what would be considered a middle class household and we shop at a mixture of Tescos, Waitrose and Sainsbury's. No need to waste money on a finer cut of a pig's arsehole. Plus at shops like Aldi and Lidl you can get some good quality food at a low price. Really the difference is arbitrary.

It is common nationally- it is a phenomena. Not just 'my world', whatever that it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 02, 2016 7:38 am

I don't know literally anyone who cares about this.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon May 02, 2016 7:39 am

Moctina wrote:After a long & detailed discussion with several other UK players on NationStates, we began to debate the wealth implications with where one shops, generally for groceries, on a weekly basis.
Supermarkets, in Britain certainly, have often determined social status, in particular in recent years, as 'posh bashing' has become more and more popular, and as the purchase of groceries online has seen a rapid success in comparison to actually shopping. Supermarkets/shops such as Waitrose, M&S etc, etc are often compared, often in the name of wit, as the supermarket of the upper-middle classes, the more affluent members of society who can afford to drop income on a better quality of food, wine & clothing. Likewise, shops such as Tesco, ASDA, Lidl and so on have been described as the 'average Joe's shop', used by the cold, huddled masses!

In my view, there is a class implication with supermarkets and where you shop. My parents & I buy simple groceries, such as bread, such as milk, such as eggs, meats, cleaning products, vegetables, from Waitrose and M&S, as they are the closest, and best quality, supermarket, preferring to buy more distinguished foods such as some meats, some fruits, wines, clothes from department stores, generally in London. The food in supermarkets such as Tesco, although is evidently quite safe & of a good quality, is, arguably, not as luxury as those in their higher-end counterparts, whilst not offering as wide-of-a-choice in some products.
This is a rather laid-back topic, and I hope it will be treated as such, however I would quite like to see your views on it. Please feel free to share your own personal experiences & views, and discuss perhaps if this is the course of British society. Should we really judge class on supermarket? Do we do it anyway? Is it ethical or good for business? Share your comments below.


If someone's going to judge another because of where they shop or what they buy, they're a twat. As someone who's grown up in an impoverished family, we've always bought off-brand food because it was cheaper, and basic necessities at that. Considering that our pay-cheque consisted of only enough money to avoid starvation or eviction; whether or not I could buy some wine or some candy or other "luxury" wasn't a primary concern.

Likewise, just because it's more expensive doesn't mean it's necessarily any better -- people who think that are horribly naive. For the most part, what makes things expensive is the cost of the name. Off-brand coca cola taste like normal coca cola and is a helluva lot cheaper.

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Mon May 02, 2016 7:42 am

Moctina wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Common in your world, yes.

I suppose I'm from what would be considered a middle class household and we shop at a mixture of Tescos, Waitrose and Sainsbury's. No need to waste money on a finer cut of a pig's arsehole. Plus at shops like Aldi and Lidl you can get some good quality food at a low price. Really the difference is arbitrary.

It is common nationally- it is a phenomena. Not just 'my world', whatever that it.

It really isn't. Maybe in tea-sipping Daily Mail-reading constantly outraged Middle England, which is your world, but not in the real world. People just get on with it.
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Postby Crurnlark » Mon May 02, 2016 7:42 am

In America, despite how much of our culture is based on rabid consumerism, all are created equal in the eyes of Wall-Mart clerks. Honestly, the only thing we hold to a higher standard and EXPECT the classes to be separated is where we eat. The poor folk starve to death and overeat simultaneously due to this, though.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon May 02, 2016 7:43 am

People generally speaking, will just shop where whatever they're looking for is at the lowest price.
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Postby Questers » Mon May 02, 2016 7:44 am

I am all for buying things which are cheaper and qualitatively the same, but brand coke does not taste the same as real coke.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Mon May 02, 2016 7:45 am

Not gonna lie, I do look forward to the day they legalise marijuana. Waitrose would probably sell some dank as fuck shit.
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Postby Crurnlark » Mon May 02, 2016 7:45 am

Questers wrote:I am all for buying things which are cheaper and qualitatively the same, but brand coke does not the same as real coke.

It just doesn't get that organ melting sensation quite right. But more on topic- I'd say that American consumerism has gone in the direction of quantity over quality, with quality being a concern of the very rich, alone. Why have a nice car if you could have a car for yourself AND your partner? Why bother with a common area entertainment system when you can have a TV in every bedroom? That kind of logic, but applied to everything.
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Postby Moctina » Mon May 02, 2016 7:45 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Moctina wrote:It is common nationally- it is a phenomena. Not just 'my world', whatever that it.

It really isn't. Maybe in tea-sipping Daily Mail-reading constantly outraged Middle England, which is your world, but not in the real world. People just get on with it.

With the greatest of respect, you can go and 'do' yourself.
I don't read the Daily Mail, thank you, and this is an example of a reversed snob who can't bear it when somebody has a different, more refined taste.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon May 02, 2016 7:46 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Moctina wrote:It is common nationally- it is a phenomena. Not just 'my world', whatever that it.

It really isn't. Maybe in tea-sipping Daily Mail-reading constantly outraged Middle England, which is your world, but not in the real world. People just get on with it.


Pretty much this.

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Mon May 02, 2016 7:47 am

Moctina wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:It really isn't. Maybe in tea-sipping Daily Mail-reading constantly outraged Middle England, which is your world, but not in the real world. People just get on with it.

With the greatest of respect, you can go and 'do' yourself.
I don't read the Daily Mail, thank you, and this is an example of a reversed snob who can't bear it when somebody has a different, more refined taste.

Pff, my taste is refined, I'm just not in-your-face poncy annoying about it. I used to read The Independent before it went bust and now alternate between The Times and the Guardian. I just know as a Christian there's more to life than materialistic bollocks.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon May 02, 2016 7:48 am

Meh, I'm arguably upper middle class, and I shop at low price superstores regardless.

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Mon May 02, 2016 7:49 am

Major-Tom wrote:Meh, I'm arguably upper middle class, and I shop at low price superstores regardless.

Sorry, by Moctina's standards we're vulgar upstarts.
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Postby Moctina » Mon May 02, 2016 7:50 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Moctina wrote:With the greatest of respect, you can go and 'do' yourself.
I don't read the Daily Mail, thank you, and this is an example of a reversed snob who can't bear it when somebody has a different, more refined taste.

Pff, my taste is refined, I'm just not in-your-face poncy annoying about it. I used to read The Independent before it went bust and now alternate between The Times and the Guardian. I just know as a Christian there's more to life than materialistic bollocks.

Then you really need to refine your behaviour, and get on with your life, rather than attacking mine, which you know very little about, which you quite evidently made assumptions about based on my views, and which you have decided long before posting is not the same as yours (apparently,) and thus cannot be justified.

In my view, there is an elitism which exists around supermarkets, and it functions both ways. People do judge, and it functions both ways.
Sorry, by Moctina's standards we're vulgar upstarts.

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Postby Dakini » Mon May 02, 2016 7:51 am

Questers wrote:I am all for buying things which are cheaper and qualitatively the same, but brand coke does not the same as real coke.

I think the thing with non-Coke/Pepsi colas is that some of them are fine and some of them suck. None of them taste the same as Coke or Pepsi (which both definitely taste different, a fact that I use to fuck with the Pepsi challenge people's numbers), but some are reasonably good.

The trouble is that while some are reasonably good, if you're just buying random off-brand colas, you're probably going to be wading through a whole lot of crappy ones before you find one that's good.



I mean, I'll usually give store brand things a chance and often they're basically fine. Other times, they're not and I don't buy them again.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon May 02, 2016 7:51 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Meh, I'm arguably upper middle class, and I shop at low price superstores regardless.

Sorry, by Moctina's standards we're vulgar upstarts.


Monctina seems a fair bit judgmental, but I couldn't care less what his standards are. All I know is that Costco is one of three gifts from God, the other two being liquor and Brazilian women.

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