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Should Private/Independent School Fees Be Regulated?

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School Fees- High Enough for Intervention?

Postby Moctina » Sun May 01, 2016 1:16 pm

Private/independent schools have always been brought under scrutiny, especially here in Britain, where sectors such as politics, justice, media & business are dominated by privately educated men & women.
One such scrutiny is the rising prices of school fees in the private sector. School fees are rising much, much faster than inflation, and, with fewer grammar & selective schools in this country, many parents, who would have turned to cheaper private education for their children, are now being forced to enter comprehensive education, due to the crippling cost of having a child, or many children, in an independent or private school. In particular, this is a problem for the moderately affluent middle classes, who have disposable income, however who may struggle with the rising costs of school fees, especially in areas where good state schooling is a rarity, or there are very few school spaces. Indeed, in an interview on LBC with UKIP leader & MEP Nigel Farage, the politician, who attended Dulwich College, claimed that the school is now reserved for the monetary elite, whereas when he was a student it was open to middle-affluent, normal people. Therefore, the debate stands; should school fees be frozen? Should there be a limit on how high they can rise? If so, should the government be forced to offer even more incentives than they already do? Or should private/independent education be abolished entirely?

In my school, fees, which were already much, much higher than average, have risen considerably in the last few years. This does not bother me at all, however I can understand the issue many parents will have in smaller private schools in cities such as London which are not as famous, who are not as wealthy as the parents of children in Eton & Harrow, and who will struggle to cope with the rising cost of living. As a Conservative, I feel it is the duty of government to keep inflation down, however, certainly in this case, we must be careful. If we ever decided to regulate fees, huge incentives would have to be offered to independent/private schools to make up for the loss of income. Education reforms are a massive part of this government, and thus this subject should at least be considered, and a solution, if any proposed.
I should like to see how this debate will go on, so, without any more rambling, please begin!
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Postby Valaran » Sun May 01, 2016 1:22 pm

The appropriate fee level is an arbitrary figure. If the government were to intervene, what figure should they set? What is right for one schools is not right for another.

I must also say that, as far as education in the UK goes, this is something of a niche issue, compared to much wider failings.
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Postby Rufford » Sun May 01, 2016 1:25 pm

Moctina wrote:Private/independent schools have always been brought under scrutiny, especially here in Britain, where sectors such as politics, justice, media & business are dominated by privately educated men & women.
One such scrutiny is the rising prices of school fees in the private sector. School fees are rising much, much faster than inflation, and, with fewer grammar & selective schools in this country, many parents, who would have turned to cheaper private education for their children, are now being forced to enter comprehensive education, due to the crippling cost of having a child, or many children, in an independent or private school. In particular, this is a problem for the moderately affluent middle classes, who have disposable income, however who may struggle with the rising costs of school fees, especially in areas where good state schooling is a rarity, or there are very few school spaces. Indeed, in an interview on LBC with UKIP leader & MEP Nigel Farage, the politician, who attended Dulwich College, claimed that the school is now reserved for the monetary elite, whereas when he was a student it was open to middle-affluent, normal people. Therefore, the debate stands; should school fees be frozen? Should there be a limit on how high they can rise? If so, should the government be forced to offer even more incentives than they already do? Or should private/independent education be abolished entirely?

In my school, fees, which were already much, much higher than average, have risen considerably in the last few years. This does not bother me at all, however I can understand the issue many parents will have in smaller private schools in cities such as London which are not as famous, who are not as wealthy as the parents of children in Eton & Harrow, and who will struggle to cope with the rising cost of living. As a Conservative, I feel it is the duty of government to keep inflation down, however, certainly in this case, we must be careful. If we ever decided to regulate fees, huge incentives would have to be offered to independent/private schools to make up for the loss of income. Education reforms are a massive part of this government, and thus this subject should at least be considered, and a solution, if any proposed.
I should like to see how this debate will go on, so, without any more rambling, please begin!


I will have to do more research on private education, but i would like to see cheaper university fees.
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Postby Moctina » Sun May 01, 2016 1:25 pm

Valaran wrote:The appropriate fee level is an arbitrary figure. If the government were to intervene, what figure should they set? What is right for one schools is not right for another.

I must also say that, as far as education in the UK goes, this is something of a niche issue, compared to much wider failings.

I agree.
What fits for one school may not fit for the other- it would be more regulations against free enterprise, and I think it would, in the long-run, be counterproductive.
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Postby Rufford » Sun May 01, 2016 1:30 pm

To be honest, i don't know much about life in a private school, and i don't know how different they are to what i would call normal schools. They educate about 7% of people in school in the UK, but like i said, i need to learn more about them. Also, Moctina, please feel free to telegram me about free schools, as i'm a pupil at a comprehensive school, there would be no better person to tell you what they are really like.
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Postby Moctina » Sun May 01, 2016 1:31 pm

Rufford wrote:To be honest, i don't know much about life in a private school, and i don't know how different they are to what i would call normal schools. They educate about 7% of people in school in the UK, but like i said, i need to learn more about them. Also, Moctina, please feel free to telegram me about free schools, as i'm a pupil at a comprehensive school, there would be no better person to tell you what they are really like.

Thank you, but I am sure it is all online if I needed to know anything.
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Postby Rufford » Sun May 01, 2016 1:34 pm

Moctina wrote:
Rufford wrote:To be honest, i don't know much about life in a private school, and i don't know how different they are to what i would call normal schools. They educate about 7% of people in school in the UK, but like i said, i need to learn more about them. Also, Moctina, please feel free to telegram me about free schools, as i'm a pupil at a comprehensive school, there would be no better person to tell you what they are really like.

Thank you, but I am sure it is all online if I needed to know anything.

You may have a problem online, as that would tend to be the perspective of a head teacher, whos description would be to make you want to go to the school and not the actual truth about them. (when i say truth, i don't mean there are loads of rape scandles and stuff like that that are covered up.)
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Postby Rufford » Sun May 01, 2016 1:35 pm

On the topic of private schools, i always wander if you do more cricket there.
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Postby Moctina » Sun May 01, 2016 1:37 pm

Rufford wrote:On the topic of private schools, i always wander if you do more cricket there.

Cricket is a sport, yes, as with every school in the country!
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Postby Rufford » Sun May 01, 2016 1:40 pm

Moctina wrote:
Rufford wrote:On the topic of private schools, i always wander if you do more cricket there.

Cricket is a sport, yes, as with every school in the country!

Yes, but the sport is dominated by those who were educated privatley.
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Postby Valaran » Sun May 01, 2016 1:42 pm

Moctina wrote:I agree.
What fits for one school may not fit for the other- it would be more regulations against free enterprise, and I think it would, in the long-run, be counterproductive.


Fundamentally, private schools are something of an export industry anyway now (setting up schools in other parts of the world), and that means catering to a larger market than just the affluent British middle class. Given that, my earlier post, and that I'm not entirely convinced that there are many serious social costs to the price rises, I don't see a good case for price setting - if they mess up the pricing system and it results in a drop in demand, its entirely their fault, and the government shouldn't really intervene to prevent that.

E: that being said, I do remeber when a good few public schools were caught colluding to artificially raise the prices. That, naturally, should be prevented from happening again.
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Postby Valaran » Sun May 01, 2016 1:42 pm

Rufford wrote:On the topic of private schools, i always wander if you do more cricket there.


Yeah.
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Postby Rufford » Sun May 01, 2016 1:43 pm

Valaran wrote:
Moctina wrote:I agree.
What fits for one school may not fit for the other- it would be more regulations against free enterprise, and I think it would, in the long-run, be counterproductive.


Fundamentally, private schools are something of an export industry anyway now (setting up schools in other parts of the world), and that means catering to a larger market than just the affluent British middle class. Given that, my earlier post, and that I'm not entirely convinced that there are many serious social costs to the price rises, I don't see a good case for price setting - if they mess up the pricing system and it results in a drop in demand, its entirely their fault, and the government shouldn't really intervene to prevent that.

We must also remember that most are charitys, so should fees be cheaper?
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Postby Moctina » Sun May 01, 2016 1:44 pm

Valaran wrote:
Rufford wrote:On the topic of private schools, i always wander if you do more cricket there.


Yeah.

SE (Sport Education) generally consists of cricket, tennis & so on dominating the spring & summer terms, with rugby prioritised in winter, athletics usually in the autumn.
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Postby Valaran » Sun May 01, 2016 1:44 pm

Rufford wrote:We must also remember that most are charitys, so should fees be cheaper?


hahahaha

It doesn't work like that :p

Moctina wrote:SE (Sport Education) generally consists of cricket, tennis & so on dominating the spring & summer terms, with rugby prioritised in winter, athletics usually in the autumn.


Depends on the school. We had football instead of rugby for winter and autumn , and athletics in summer.
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Postby Moctina » Sun May 01, 2016 1:46 pm

Valaran wrote:
Rufford wrote:We must also remember that most are charitys, so should fees be cheaper?


hahahaha

It doesn't work like that :p

Moctina wrote:SE (Sport Education) generally consists of cricket, tennis & so on dominating the spring & summer terms, with rugby prioritised in winter, athletics usually in the autumn.


Depends on the school. We had football instead of rugby for winter and autumn , and athletics in summer.

Independent school?
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Postby Valaran » Sun May 01, 2016 1:47 pm

Moctina wrote:Independent school?


Yeah.
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Postby Rufford » Sun May 01, 2016 1:47 pm

Moctina wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Yeah.

SE (Sport Education) generally consists of cricket, tennis & so on dominating the spring & summer terms, with rugby prioritised in winter, athletics usually in the autumn.

N-n-non of the beautiful game ( I do really like cricket though, best bowling figures below in sig.)
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Postby Risottia » Sun May 01, 2016 1:58 pm

Moctina wrote: Therefore, the debate stands; should school fees be frozen?

No.

Instead the government should spend more resources on state schools, raising their quality to the point where they're actually better than other schools.
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Postby Rufford » Sun May 01, 2016 1:59 pm

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Moctina wrote: Therefore, the debate stands; should school fees be frozen?

No.

Instead the government should spend more resources on state schools, raising their quality to the point where they're actually better than other schools.

Here Here :clap:
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun May 01, 2016 2:37 pm

well...

where is this extra money going? if its to the teachers then NO you shouldn't cap fees. if it goes as profit to shareholders then perhaps you ought to start thinking about it.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun May 01, 2016 2:39 pm

Ashmoria wrote:well...

where is this extra money going? if its to the teachers then NO you shouldn't cap fees. if it goes as profit to shareholders then perhaps you ought to start thinking about it.


They don't exist. They are run as educational charities.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun May 01, 2016 2:41 pm

Rufford wrote:
Moctina wrote:SE (Sport Education) generally consists of cricket, tennis & so on dominating the spring & summer terms, with rugby prioritised in winter, athletics usually in the autumn.

N-n-non of the beautiful game ( I do really like cricket though, best bowling figures below in sig.)


Rufford, playing 5 year olds does not count. :p
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The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:well...

where is this extra money going? if its to the teachers then NO you shouldn't cap fees. if it goes as profit to shareholders then perhaps you ought to start thinking about it.


They don't exist. They are run as educational charities.


Better check the salaries of those in charge.
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Postby Moctina » Sun May 01, 2016 2:43 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
They don't exist. They are run as educational charities.


Better check the salaries of those in charge.

I am not sure of the average, but I know the salary of my headmaster.
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