The seduction community, also known as the pick-up artist, PUA, or pickup community, is a movement of men whose goal is seduction and sexual success with/access to women.
The rise of "seduction science", "game", or "studied charisma", as it is often called, has been attributed to the "chaotic" modern dating scene reportedly as a result of the increased empowerment and equality of women in western society and changes to traditional gender roles combined with the influence of distinct biological imperatives in men and women. Commentators in the media have described "game" as sexist or misogynistic, acknowledging that the techniques espoused do sometimes succeed in attracting women. Academic researchers have also studied seduction techniques and hypothesize a basis in evolutionary psychology.
And, there has been some very harsh criticism on the matter.
This is from wikipedia
misogynist for his views on women and sex by the Southern Poverty Law Center,[56] though writers at Reason and National Review mocked his inclusion.[57][58]
Feminist BDSM writer and activist Clarisse Thorn, author of Confessions of a Pickup Artist Chaser: Long Interviews with Hideous Men, criticizes the PUA community as frequently "absurd and sexist," "pushy and problematic" and encouraging adversarial gender roles. However, she also argues that PUA tactics are worth understanding because they are not unique to the PUA community, but instead represent society-wide beliefs and patterns and strategies of human sexual behaviour.[47] The UCLA Center for the Study of Women argues that PUA culture is misogynist, and exists on a continuum of sexist behaviours and attitudes that includes rape and murder.[59]
Professional dating coach, radio personality and self help book author Alan Roger Currie has frequently criticized the seduction community and many of the misleading and manipulative tactics espoused by many of the more popular pickup artists. Currie is specifically critical of men giving women the misleading impression that they are interested in engaging in a long-term, emotionally profound, monogamous romantic relationship when those men know in reality that they are really seeking to engage in some form of short-term, non-monogamous, casual sex with these same women.[60]
After 48-year-old systems analyst George Sodini killed three women and himself in the 2009 Collier Township shooting, media asked whether he had been influenced by his involvement in the PUA community.[61]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction ... kup_artist
So the question is this, NSG. Are Pick-up artists misogynistic pigs and should we discourage the practice as a society? Or are Pick-up artists to be indulged and applauded for recognizing a woman's needs and giving her what she wants?
Are Pick-up artists schemey and manipulative? Or are they simply socially atuned people?
I for one believe the term to do the practice a disservice, and I would very much prefer that men understand psychology and social engineering and play to it, rather than being awkward and out of the loop. I think there is a definite divide between assholes and charmers within the community, as you can see techniques and mindsets vary greatly amongst industry insiders. Not all Pick-up artists are created equal, and I think the community would do a lot better to call it seduction rather than pick-up.
Here is an example of a typical article giving advice.
http://www.girlschase.com/content/law-least-effort
Does it work? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... eally-work
Make with that what you will. I will not take a hard stance on this as sociology is not exactly a scientific topic, but I'm sure there's something to it.
Thoughts?
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Updated View Point:
So after a whopping 24 hours of researching and prying into the depths of what is commonly referred to as the PUA community, I've formed a new opinion on it. The PUA community, in its current form, is incredibly toxic and teaches mindsets that are neither helpful or desirable. However, I don't disagree with the idea behind teaching men how to play "the game." Just that the current trend throughout the community doesn't necessarily do that. PUA is like the self-help industry, the vast majority of the advice is sleazy bullshit chalked together by someone who helps himself to your income by giving advice on what he can't do himself. However, as there are self-help books that give genuinely helpful advice from genuinely successful people, there is some seduction advice that is genuine, helpful, and still respectful of women. If seduction is practiced properly and the teachings are helpful, then I think it is a positive thing for both men and women. I don't think there are any downsides to having a populous that is good at talking to women, on the contrary, I think it can only act as a social benefit. However, most PUA sites don't do that.
I believe that this guy is the exception to the rule.
http://www.girlschase.com/content/do-yo ... or-seducer
http://www.girlschase.com/about-me-chase-amante
http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-g ... y-hopeless
I believe this guy is the rule.
http://www.rooshv.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V
TL;DR
The concept of teaching seduction is fine, but the majority of the PUA community gives seduction a bad name and don't really know what they're doing. Some advice, however, is both helpful and respectful towards women.