Environment Discussion Thread

[Alistan]

So yesterday, I have seen this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0uZ9mfOUI

And I thought I should have a discussion thread on climate change.

There is something I want to ask: Are we too late to combat climate change as described in the video?

EDIT: This discussion thread about general environment and anything about Earth.

[Soadino]

Climate change is a joke. Especially when the scientists who do research on it make up numbers. Besides, many scientists say there isn't enough evidence, or, thay the evidence isn't convincing. If global warming is really a thing, I'm pretty sure it's not from humans. As Japanese scientists have solved this a while ago. The only reason people haven't accepted it is because people want political power and one way to get it is to keep the myth alive so they have something to do while in office.

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/enviro ... g-evidence

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... bal-warmi/

[Alvecia]

Climate change denial is a joke. Especially when the scientists who do research on deny it make up numbers. Besides, many scientists say there isn't enough is plenty of evidence, or, that the evidence isn't is incredibly convincing. If Global warming is really a thing, I'm pretty sure it's not partly from humans. As Japanesescientists have solved this a while ago. The only reason people haven't accepted it is because people want political and economic power and one way to get it is to keep the denialism myth alive so they have something to do while in office, and so they can make lots of money on oil.

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/31000-scientists-say-no-convincing-evidence
https://www.skepticalscience.com/empiri ... arming.htm

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/25/steve-doocy/foxs-doocy-nasa-fudged-data-make-case-global-warmi/
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

[The Imperium Empires]

This will always be argued but the ice caps would not be melting if global warming was not a thigh.

[Major-Tom]

Climate change is real, it caused by men, and denialists and hysterics are just two sides of the same bloody stupid coin. The private sector in the developed world has been fantastic about developing greener technologies, and the biggest hinderance to curbing Co2 emissions is the developing world.

We can't blame them, since they can't afford greener technologies.

[Alvecia]

This will always be argued but the ice caps would not be melting if global warming was not a thigh.

Global warming is somewhat misleading. It was a term created when we didn't have a lot of the data.
Climate Change is better as it encompasses everything that the process involves.

[Alistan]

Climate change is real, it caused by men, and denialists and hysterics are just two sides of the same bloody stupid coin. The private sector in the developed world has been fantastic about developing greener technologies, and the biggest hinderance to curbing Co2 emissions is the developing world.

We can't blame them, since they can't afford greener technologies.

But are we too late as described in the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0uZ9mfOUI

[Caracasus]

Well what with the vast majority (97%) of scientists agreeing that climate change is a) real and b) due to human activity (at least in a fairly significant part), I'm rather inclined to agree with them.

Mostly because these people are the ones who study this sort of thing for a living and have a way, way better understanding of it than most of us will.

We're fucking up our planet, and it's approaching the point where we need to do something to stop it, now. Not in ten years, not after some discussions, but right now. And frankly we can't say we haven't been warned. Scientists have been increasingly saying this for quite some time. I guess you could argue that they've got an ulterior motive, after all I think they're all human beings - and human beings do require a relatively non-toxic environment to grow food and breathe.

[Soadino]

Climate change denial is a joke. Especially when the scientists who do research on deny it make up numbers. Besides, many scientists say there isn't enough is plenty of evidence, or, that the evidence isn't is incredibly convincing. If Global warming is really a thing, I'm pretty sure it's not partly from humans. As Japanesescientists have solved this a while ago. The only reason people haven't accepted it is because people want political and economic power and one way to get it is to keep the denialism myth alive so they have something to do while in office, and so they can make lots of money on oil.

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/31000-scientists-say-no-convincing-evidence
https://www.skepticalscience.com/empiri ... arming.htm

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/25/steve-doocy/foxs-doocy-nasa-fudged-data-make-case-global-warmi/
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Look at that, you're denying the evidence. Kek. I also find it funny that you posted a source from NASA, despite the fact that I posted something saying they made up numbers

[Alistan]

Well what with the vast majority (97%) of scientists agreeing that climate change is a) real and b) due to human activity (at least in a fairly significant part), I'm rather inclined to agree with them.

Mostly because these people are the ones who study this sort of thing for a living and have a way, way better understanding of it than most of us will.

We're fucking up our planet, and it's approaching the point where we need to do something to stop it, now. Not in ten years, not after some discussions, but right now. And frankly we can't say we haven't been warned. Scientists have been increasingly saying this for quite some time. I guess you could argue that they've got an ulterior motive, after all I think they're all human beings - and human beings do require a relatively non-toxic environment to grow food and breathe.

Are we too late?

[The Imperium Empires]

Remember that huge conference in Paris about all those nations and trying to fix the environment. Only one country so far is actully trying and that's Australia. Others have said they will but never got around to it.

[Caracasus]

Well what with the vast majority (97%) of scientists agreeing that climate change is a) real and b) due to human activity (at least in a fairly significant part), I'm rather inclined to agree with them.

Mostly because these people are the ones who study this sort of thing for a living and have a way, way better understanding of it than most of us will.

We're fucking up our planet, and it's approaching the point where we need to do something to stop it, now. Not in ten years, not after some discussions, but right now. And frankly we can't say we haven't been warned. Scientists have been increasingly saying this for quite some time. I guess you could argue that they've got an ulterior motive, after all I think they're all human beings - and human beings do require a relatively non-toxic environment to grow food and breathe.

Are we too late?

I really, really hope not. We won't be too late to undo some of the damage would be my spectacularly uninformed guess, based on the papers I've read.

[Alvecia]

Well what with the vast majority (97%) of scientists agreeing that climate change is a) real and b) due to human activity (at least in a fairly significant part), I'm rather inclined to agree with them.

Mostly because these people are the ones who study this sort of thing for a living and have a way, way better understanding of it than most of us will.

We're fucking up our planet, and it's approaching the point where we need to do something to stop it, now. Not in ten years, not after some discussions, but right now. And frankly we can't say we haven't been warned. Scientists have been increasingly saying this for quite some time. I guess you could argue that they've got an ulterior motive, after all I think they're all human beings - and human beings do require a relatively non-toxic environment to grow food and breathe.

On that note.
It's not technically that 97% of scientists agree.
It's that 97% of all scientists working in fields that are related to climate science agree.
Subtle difference, but an important one.

[Alvecia]

Look at that, you're denying the evidence. Kek

That's rich coming from a denialist.

[The New Falkland Islands]

Are we too late?

I really, really hope not. We won't be too late to undo some of the damage would be my spectacularly uninformed guess, based on the papers I've read.

The amount of damage dealt varies from report to report, but the consensus is that we will be past the tipping point by some time like 2042.

[Soadino]

Look at that, you're denying the evidence. Kek

That's rich coming from a denialist.

>I post evidence saying NASA makes up numbers
>You post something from NASA
>Kek

[The Imperium Empires]

Why can't people just work together on this and stop ruining the environment.

[The New Falkland Islands]

Why can't people just work together on this and stop ruining the environment.

Money. Greed. Capitalism. Priorities. Division. Corruption. Irreverence towards petty things like the "Environment". Mostly greed.

[Alvecia]

That's rich coming from a denialist.

>I post evidence saying NASA makes up numbers
>You post something from NASA
>Kek

From your source:

We asked Fox News for their source and while they didn’t respond, a number of conservative news outlets have made much in recent days of a blog post from a man who writes under the pseudonym Steven Goddard. Goddard charged that until 2000, NASA reported that in the United States, 1934 was hotter than 1998 and that the country has been cooling since then.

Climate science experts say not so fast

Doocy exaggerated the findings in this blog post when he applied it to global warming. The post itself only talks about U.S. land temperatures and what happens in the United States is separate from global shifts.

As far as what the blog actually claimed, while it accurately copied the changes in the government charts, experts in U.S. temperature measurement say it ignores why the charts shifted. There were major changes in how the country gathered temperature information over the decades.

....

Gavin Schmidt, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said the raw data used in the blog post suffered from an equally troubling flaw. The temperatures were not measured at the same time of day.

....

John Nielsen-Gammon is a researcher at Texas A&M University and is the Texas state climatologist. Nielsen-Gammon finds nothing nefarious in the government analysis of temperature trends.

"It is reasonable to expect the adjusted data record to change over time as the technology for identifying and removing artificial changes improves," Nielsen-Gammon said. "If there are any biases, they are caused by the quality of the underlying data, not by any biases intentionally introduced into the adjustment process."

All of the experts we reached or whose work we read rejected Goddard’s conclusions.

Mark C. Serreze, professor of geography at the University of Colorado-Boulder, said no fabrication has taken place.

"Goddard's results stem from an erroneous analysis of the data," Serreze said.

Anthony Watts, a popular skeptic of most climate change data, posted his objection to Goddard’s claim.

"I took Goddard to task over this as well in a private email, saying he was very wrong and needed to do better," Watts wrote.

Our ruling

......

We rate the claim Pants on Fire.

Even your source doesn't agree with you.

[The Imperium Empires]

So we talking most countires. What countries actully care about the environment besides Australia ?

[Alistan]

So we talking most countires. What countries actully care about the environment besides Australia ?

Germany

[The New Falkland Islands]

So we talking most countires. What countries actully care about the environment besides Australia ?

Most Nordic nations. Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, the Baltic nations, the Benelux nations, UK. New Zealand, Japan, Canada

[Alistan]

So we talking most countires. What countries actully care about the environment besides Australia ?

Most Nordic nations. Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, the Baltic nations, the Benelux nations, UK. New Zealand, Japan, Canada

Not Canada
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016 ... -says.html

[Soadino]

>I post evidence saying NASA makes up numbers
>You post something from NASA
>Kek

From your source:

We asked Fox News for their source and while they didn’t respond, a number of conservative news outlets have made much in recent days of a blog post from a man who writes under the pseudonym Steven Goddard. Goddard charged that until 2000, NASA reported that in the United States, 1934 was hotter than 1998 and that the country has been cooling since then.

Climate science experts say not so fast

Doocy exaggerated the findings in this blog post when he applied it to global warming. The post itself only talks about U.S. land temperatures and what happens in the United States is separate from global shifts.

As far as what the blog actually claimed, while it accurately copied the changes in the government charts, experts in U.S. temperature measurement say it ignores why the charts shifted. There were major changes in how the country gathered temperature information over the decades.

....

Gavin Schmidt, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said the raw data used in the blog post suffered from an equally troubling flaw. The temperatures were not measured at the same time of day.

....

John Nielsen-Gammon is a researcher at Texas A&M University and is the Texas state climatologist. Nielsen-Gammon finds nothing nefarious in the government analysis of temperature trends.

"It is reasonable to expect the adjusted data record to change over time as the technology for identifying and removing artificial changes improves," Nielsen-Gammon said. "If there are any biases, they are caused by the quality of the underlying data, not by any biases intentionally introduced into the adjustment process."

All of the experts we reached or whose work we read rejected Goddard’s conclusions.

Mark C. Serreze, professor of geography at the University of Colorado-Boulder, said no fabrication has taken place.

"Goddard's results stem from an erroneous analysis of the data," Serreze said.

Anthony Watts, a popular skeptic of most climate change data, posted his objection to Goddard’s claim.

"I took Goddard to task over this as well in a private email, saying he was very wrong and needed to do better," Watts wrote.

Our ruling

......

We rate the claim Pants on Fire.

Even your source doesn't agree with you.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ata-again/

http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_globa ... fraud.html

Oh look, more sources against NASA. If you wanna keep NASA as the primary source then go ahead. It's just one against many. And I still find it illogical to use that source when I'm posting things that say they make up numbers

[Alvecia]

From your source:




Even your source doesn't agree with you.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ata-again/

http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_globa ... fraud.html

Oh look, more sources against NASA. If you wanna keep NASA as the primary source then go ahead. It's just one against many. And I still find it illogical to use that source when I'm posting things that say they make up numbers

First, NaturalNews? Ha! Fuck no.
Natural News is nothing but pseudoscientific bullshit.
Second, the Briebart article uses numbers that your first source debunked.

So yeah, nice data.

I also note you're totally ignoring my second link.