The Taliban's Strong in Afghanistan Again

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-united-nations.html?_r=0

KABUL, Afghanistan — The Taliban insurgency has spread through more of Afghanistan than at any point since 2001, according to data compiled by the United Nations as well as interviews with numerous local officials in areas under threat.

In addition, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan over the past two weeks has evacuated four of its 13 provincial offices around the country — the most it has ever done for security reasons — according to local officials in the affected areas.

The data, compiled in early September — even before the latest surge in violence in northern Afghanistan — showed that United Nations security officials had already rated the threat level in about half of the country’s administrative districts as either “high” or “extreme,” more than at any time since the American invasion ousted the Taliban in 2001.

Thoughts?

The only person who can fix this mess is Bernie Sanders. Unlike all his opponents Bernie has had experience overseas working on a kibbutz (a form of zionist collective farm). And the outstanding foreign policy credential of not voting for invading Iraq. I only trust Bernie to bring the magical disengagement dust to Afghanistan

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Thanks Obama. No literally thanks Obama.

In the case of pulling out, once again the Democrats wanted to leave long before the job was finished. It should be no wonder that this turned into a Vietnam.
If you start a war, you stay in until the dust settles and then you stay a bit longer till you're sure the enemy is dead. Pulling out long before you finish is no good for anyone.

[Benxboro]

I thought a neoconservative would support intervention, not oppose it. Guess I was wrong. How the fuck can Afghanistan's government be so divided? I know there's corruption but really these fucks need to get more active.

[Benxboro]

Thanks Obama. No literally thanks Obama.

In the case of pulling out, once again the Democrats wanted to leave long before the job was finished. It should be no wonder that this turned into a Vietnam.
If you start a war, you stay in until the dust settles and then you stay a bit longer till you're sure the enemy is dead. Pulling out long before you finish is no good for anyone.

It's damn irritating to pull out before you're done.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

I thought a neoconservative would support intervention, not oppose it. Guess I was wrong. How the fuck can Afghanistan's government be so divided? I know there's corruption but really these fucks need to get more active.

Honestly, we should have just employed a violent secular dictator from one of the smaller ethnic groups and armed him with the best weapons he could afford. It worked in Iraq, till we got tired of that guy.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Thanks Obama. No literally thanks Obama.

In the case of pulling out, once again the Democrats wanted to leave long before the job was finished. It should be no wonder that this turned into a Vietnam.
If you start a war, you stay in until the dust settles and then you stay a bit longer till you're sure the enemy is dead. Pulling out long before you finish is no good for anyone.

It's damn irritating to pull out before you're done.

You got to make sure you have the strength to last to. Otherwise, you won't satisfy anyone.

[Benxboro]

I thought a neoconservative would support intervention, not oppose it. Guess I was wrong. How the fuck can Afghanistan's government be so divided? I know there's corruption but really these fucks need to get more active.

Honestly, we should have just employed a violent secular dictator from one of the smaller ethnic groups and armed him with the best weapons he could afford. It worked in Iraq, till we got tired of that guy.

That only breeds islamonutbags once the White House is occupied by people who get tired of propping up certain secular dictators...

[Targovia]

Honestly, the only reason Afghanistan hasn't fallen is because the US made it. If the US doesn't kill of the Taliban for good, Afghanistan will fall.

[The United Holy German Reich]

Another reason why American imperialism has failed.

[Benxboro]

It's damn irritating to pull out before you're done.

You got to make sure you have the strength to last to. Otherwise, you won't satisfy anyone.

Proper training in these situations is definitely a key to success.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Honestly, we should have just employed a violent secular dictator from one of the smaller ethnic groups and armed him with the best weapons he could afford. It worked in Iraq, till we got tired of that guy.

That only breeds islamonutbags once the White House is occupied by people who get tired of propping up certain secular dictators...

True, but then we go back in and do it again. The World must learn of our peaceful ways, by force.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

You got to make sure you have the strength to last to. Otherwise, you won't satisfy anyone.

Proper training in these situations is definitely a key to success.

Also some sort of protection is always necessary.

[Poscait]

Pulling out was stupid. None of it would have happened had terrorists not bombed 3 buildings. We had a lot of things going for us. Better guns, tanks, and tactics.

Obama said he would pull out in '11, but it never took place until '12. In my opinion, Obama is a terrorist himself. He wastes taxpayer dollars so that he can go watch a baseball game in Cuba. It's insane.

The military should get planes to bomb them, then have the Army follow up and kill any surviving terrorists. Extreme Islam is the new Nazism. History repeats itself. Stop them, the we're all done for.

Sincerely,
Poscait

[The United Holy German Reich]

That only breeds islamonutbags once the White House is occupied by people who get tired of propping up certain secular dictators...

True, but then we go back in and do it again. The World must learn of our peaceful ways, by force.

Because interventionism solves everything.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

True, but then we go back in and do it again. The World must learn of our peaceful ways, by force.

Because interventionism solves everything.

I mean technically it solved Nazism and Fascism.

[Tamsien]

Thanks Obama. No literally thanks Obama.

In the case of pulling out, once again the Democrats wanted to leave long before the job was finished. It should be no wonder that this turned into a Vietnam.
If you start a war, you stay in until the dust settles and then you stay a bit longer till you're sure the enemy is dead. Pulling out long before you finish is no good for anyone.

It's damn irritating to pull out before you're done.

It's called teasing, sweetie, all the cool kids are doing it.

Because interventionism solves everything.

I mean technically it solved Nazism and Fascism.

I guess it only works if your enemy is a clear target and organized enough.

The interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan were trying to eliminate a disorganized group of people, and while it did work, it's like chopping heads off a Hydra. The more damage caused in the name of eliminating terror causes even more desperation and anguish, which appears to be a gateway to the fanaticism of the Taliban.

[Anarchist Heathenry]

No surprise.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

It's damn irritating to pull out before you're done.

It's called teasing, sweetie, all the cool kids are doing it.

I mean technically it solved Nazism and Fascism.

I guess it only works if your enemy is a clear target and organized enough.

The interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan were trying to eliminate a disorganized group of people, and while it did work, it's like chopping heads off a Hydra. The more damage caused in the name of eliminating terror causes even more desperation and anguish, which appears to be a gateway to the fanaticism of the Taliban.

That's the thing though, the West is very much incapable of handling what is required to solve a disorganized, decentralized group of radicals. Namely harsh punishment for collaborators and enablers; which is why propping up dictators becomes necessary. We in the West have a distaste for hurting innocents; but to fight a group that hides among them, it becomes necessary.

[New Tuva SSR]

Thanks Obama. No literally thanks Obama.

In the case of pulling out, once again the Democrats wanted to leave long before the job was finished. It should be no wonder that this turned into a Vietnam.
If you start a war, you stay in until the dust settles and then you stay a bit longer till you're sure the enemy is dead. Pulling out long before you finish is no good for anyone.

Ugh, it sounds like your father forgot to pull out until after the job was finished.

[Tamsien]

It's called teasing, sweetie, all the cool kids are doing it.


I guess it only works if your enemy is a clear target and organized enough.

The interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan were trying to eliminate a disorganized group of people, and while it did work, it's like chopping heads off a Hydra. The more damage caused in the name of eliminating terror causes even more desperation and anguish, which appears to be a gateway to the fanaticism of the Taliban.

That's the thing though, the West is very much incapable of handling what is required to solve a disorganized, decentralized group of radicals. Namely harsh punishment for collaborators and enablers; which is why propping up dictators becomes necessary. We in the West have a distaste for hurting innocents; but to fight a group that hides among them, it becomes necessary.

I mean if it works, but there should be a different, slightly better way of solving the issue. Dictatorships are finicky as the head honcho in power may have their own agendas against whomever propped them up when demands aren't met.

It's still an imperfect system, and while it works, it certainly does not last for long nor does it end well in certain scenarios.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Thanks Obama. No literally thanks Obama.

In the case of pulling out, once again the Democrats wanted to leave long before the job was finished. It should be no wonder that this turned into a Vietnam.
If you start a war, you stay in until the dust settles and then you stay a bit longer till you're sure the enemy is dead. Pulling out long before you finish is no good for anyone.

Ugh, it sounds like your father forgot to pull out until after the job was finished.

Actually, I spawned from the rotting anus of Kim Jong Il, but thanks.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

That's the thing though, the West is very much incapable of handling what is required to solve a disorganized, decentralized group of radicals. Namely harsh punishment for collaborators and enablers; which is why propping up dictators becomes necessary. We in the West have a distaste for hurting innocents; but to fight a group that hides among them, it becomes necessary.

I mean if it works, but there should be a different, slightly better way of solving the issue. Dictatorships are finicky as the head honcho in power may have their own agendas against whomever propped them up when demands aren't met.

It's still an imperfect system, and while it works, it certainly does not last for long nor does it end well in certain scenarios.

True, however I'd rather have a Secular Westernized leader who has his own agenda than a bunch of archaic Islamists that believe stoning people is a legitimate response to adultery.

[Kar-Esseria]

All that work for nothing because we pulled out too soon.

One of the few reasons there are to dislike Obama is his shitty foreign policy, and this would be Exhibit B. Exhibit A would be pulling out of Iraq too early.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

All that work for nothing because we pulled out too soon.

One of the few reasons there are to dislike Obama is his shitty foreign policy, and this would be Exhibit B. Exhibit A would be pulling out of Iraq too early.

Obama's foreign policy has been wholly awful. Exhibit C is him making fun of Mitt Romney about talking about containing Russian resurgence literally a year before Russia declared a part of Ukraine it's own.

[Tamsien]

I mean if it works, but there should be a different, slightly better way of solving the issue. Dictatorships are finicky as the head honcho in power may have their own agendas against whomever propped them up when demands aren't met.

It's still an imperfect system, and while it works, it certainly does not last for long nor does it end well in certain scenarios.

True, however I'd rather have a Secular Westernized leader who has his own agenda than a bunch of archaic Islamists that believe stoning people is a legitimate response to adultery.

All things are impermanent, and this secular dictator is no exception. I don't really care if they killed thousands, let's say they are competent in what they do. Now they're dead, assuming that they were president for life, the next person in line or propped up may be less competent and even more likely to cause errors and fuck up.

Stability under a dictatorship, westernized or not, is only guaranteed once in most cases. It's only prolonging the inevitable, I'd say.