Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS) II

[Farnhamia]

Mod edit: This is now the official Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL/IS) thread. Any new threads will be rolled up into this one.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the terrorist group the Islamic State (ISIS, ISIL, IS, DAESH) and any events, news stories, analyses, and other pieces of information pertaining to the ongoing conflict in Iraq and Syria.

Part I

[Benuty]

Hard to believe another thread has come into play already.

[MERIZoC]

Hard to believe another thread has come into play already.

It's been almost a year….

[Farnhamia]

Hard to believe another thread has come into play already.

It's been almost a year….

Indeed. I rolled that "Fill Paris' streets with dead" thing into the first part and it went to 500 pages, so ...

[Benuty]

Hard to believe another thread has come into play already.

It's been almost a year….

I do wonder if they somehow survive in the long term will they stop acting like the cartoon satire of Caesars Legion from Fallout New Vegas?

I mean they eventually have to settle down in certain areas instead of being a constantly mobilized force of terror.

[Kubra]

On the topic of paris, couldn't ISIS have chosen a better location? Paris just wouldnt be Paris without a mass slaughter every few decades.

[Benuty]

On the topic of paris, couldn't ISIS have chosen a better location? Paris just wouldnt be Paris without a mass slaughter every few decades.

It is only fun, and games when it is Parisians who are doing the slaughter.

[Farnhamia]

It's been almost a year….

I do wonder if they somehow survive in the long term will they stop acting like the cartoon satire of Caesars Legion from Fallout New Vegas?

I mean they eventually have to settle down in certain areas instead of being a constantly mobilized force of terror.

How? Well ...

[Kubra]

On the topic of paris, couldn't ISIS have chosen a better location? Paris just wouldnt be Paris without a mass slaughter every few decades.

It is only fun, and games when it is Parisians who are doing the slaughter.

oh lol good point
idk why the french even bother with mass murder, they're not even good at it.

[Bulrosia]

A strongly worded UN condemnation will stop them committing further heinous acts.

[Benuty]

I do wonder if they somehow survive in the long term will they stop acting like the cartoon satire of Caesars Legion from Fallout New Vegas?

I mean they eventually have to settle down in certain areas instead of being a constantly mobilized force of terror.

How? Well ...

Just noticed if they pushed a little harder they might be able to surround Baghdad. Not that I actually want that to happen however. Also the somewhat forced looking smiles in the photo are hilarious. It seems they have inherited Iraq's problem of being unable to efficiently hide acts of state terrorism (difference between that, and the war terrorism we constantly see on the media).

[Romalae]

It's a little bittersweet to see my ISIS Crisis Megathread Part 1 finally enter retirement, but hopefully this thread fosters another good 500 pages of discussion.

[Napkiraly]

What do you guys think should be done if the air campaign isn't enough? One of the articles did bring up on how people are now starting to think that while ISIS probably wont survive, it cannot be ruled out. That it may very well remain in control of most of the territory it has gained.

Personally, god and I hate to say this considering what happened last time, but if the air campaign isn't enough then there needs to be a ground invasion. They brought up the examples of the USSR and the Communists in China. You know, as shit as those countries could be, at least they were to some extent rather progressive. ISIS however is among the worst things to pop up in recent history and shouldn't be allowed to survive. Even if that does mean boots on the ground.

[West Aurelia]

What do you guys think should be done if the air campaign isn't enough? One of the articles did bring up on how people are now starting to think that while ISIS probably wont survive, it cannot be ruled out. That it may very well remain in control of most of the territory it has gained.

Personally, god and I hate to say this considering what happened last time, but if the air campaign isn't enough then there needs to be a ground invasion. They brought up the examples of the USSR and the Communists in China. You know, as shit as those countries could be, at least they were to some extent rather progressive. ISIS however is among the worst things to pop up in recent history and shouldn't be allowed to survive. Even if that does mean boots on the ground.

Regardless of the military campaign, there also needs to be a political situation in which Sunnis, Kurds, and other minorities are treated the same as Shiites.

[The balkens]

What do you guys think should be done if the air campaign isn't enough? One of the articles did bring up on how people are now starting to think that while ISIS probably wont survive, it cannot be ruled out. That it may very well remain in control of most of the territory it has gained.

Personally, god and I hate to say this considering what happened last time, but if the air campaign isn't enough then there needs to be a ground invasion. They brought up the examples of the USSR and the Communists in China. You know, as shit as those countries could be, at least they were to some extent rather progressive. ISIS however is among the worst things to pop up in recent history and shouldn't be allowed to survive. Even if that does mean boots on the ground.

It might just be necessary. But this time, it cant be just the US doing all the heavy fucking lifting. Its what allies are for..

But with the Turks being hilariously blind in the face of what should be their mortal enemies at their door step (and with that recent suicide bombing), it might just have to be us, again.

[Ottoman Siqilliyya]

One thing is for sure.

The Kurds have fucking earned an independent, internationally-recognised Kurdistan.

[Benuty]

One thing is for sure.

The Kurds have fucking earned an independent, internationally-recognised Kurdistan.

If the Turks don't bomb them out of existence like they are conveniently trying to do to the Syrian Kurds.

[Qart chadast]

One thing is for sure.

The Kurds have fucking earned an independent, internationally-recognised Kurdistan.

How did they earned it? Nobody earns such things. People should Always have the choice to chose their own nation of to chose to be part of another. The Kurds aren't any more special then the Catalonians in that matter.

[Qart chadast]

What do you guys think should be done if the air campaign isn't enough? One of the articles did bring up on how people are now starting to think that while ISIS probably wont survive, it cannot be ruled out. That it may very well remain in control of most of the territory it has gained.

Personally, god and I hate to say this considering what happened last time, but if the air campaign isn't enough then there needs to be a ground invasion. They brought up the examples of the USSR and the Communists in China. You know, as shit as those countries could be, at least they were to some extent rather progressive. ISIS however is among the worst things to pop up in recent history and shouldn't be allowed to survive. Even if that does mean boots on the ground.

I would not agree with any western invasion as it would make things only worse just like it did last time. If anything positive has to come out of this conflict it would be that the people where more united. A western invasion would simply turn things back to the previous occupation. Shia militia's won't give a shit about Sunni area's anymore and they will target Western troops once more. Not something we need.
Aside from that, an invasion isn't needed, Iraq and Syria can handle this on their own. The only major issue in Iraq is their command structure, which caused the entire fleeing campaign at the start and now still occasionally.
Aside from that these two nations can defeat Daesh. Daesh isn't that big of a group and their numbers are currently more dropping then rising. If one thing should be done by the international community that would have my blessing would be to support local uprisings against Daesh. We haven't seen many of those and i think its about time for such things. Combine these local uprisings with an assault from Syria/Iraq and one can liberate town after town without many issues.

[West Aurelia]

Looks like Turkey could be joining the coalition soon:

Turkish forces engage IS fighters.

Turkey allows coalition use of airbases.

Hürriyet reports that a no-fly zone has been established over the Turkey-Syria border.

Turkish fighters bomb IS positions.

Davutoglu says that Turkey will be expanding anti-IS operations.

[Adab]

Looks like Turkey could be joining the coalition soon:

Turkish forces engage IS fighters.

Turkey allows coalition use of airbases.

Hürriyet reports that a no-fly zone has been established over the Turkey-Syria border.

Turkish fighters bomb IS positions.

Davutoglu says that Turkey will be expanding anti-IS operations.

I really, really hope Turkey will join the coalition and do everything they can to help destroy this dangerous "Islamic State". 'Bout time.

[Ottoman Siqilliyya]

One thing is for sure.

The Kurds have fucking earned an independent, internationally-recognised Kurdistan.

How did they earned it? Nobody earns such things. People should Always have the choice to chose their own nation of to chose to be part of another. The Kurds aren't any more special then the Catalonians in that matter.

I don't see the Catalonians doing their damnedest to kick evil in the balls.

[Qart chadast]

How did they earned it? Nobody earns such things. People should Always have the choice to chose their own nation of to chose to be part of another. The Kurds aren't any more special then the Catalonians in that matter.

I don't see the Catalonians doing their damnedest to kick evil in the balls.

True, but there isn't a war going on in Spain after all.
The fact that the Kurds are in a region filled with war doesn't change anything. In the end the Kurds won't go very far out of their territory, as it isn't their homeland. Wether you like it or not, they don't care all that much about the rest of Iraq or Syria or those who live there. Don't portray them like some heroes cause they are really not. They just fight for their land, nothing special about it.

[Bulgaria-Greece]

One thing is for sure.

The Kurds have fucking earned an independent, internationally-recognised Kurdistan.

Indeed.

[Qart chadast]

Looks like Turkey could be joining the coalition soon:

Turkish forces engage IS fighters.

Turkey allows coalition use of airbases.

Hürriyet reports that a no-fly zone has been established over the Turkey-Syria border.

Turkish fighters bomb IS positions.

Davutoglu says that Turkey will be expanding anti-IS operations.

First they don't give a shit and even support them in indirect ways and now all the sudden they try to play the good guys? Wether they are going to do something about Daesh or not, they deserve no credit at all for anything, in the end they remain assholes all the way throughout this conflict, i'm certainly not buying their sudden "good will" crap.