Ostehaar-Ventlimer War (TWI, OOC)

[Vancouvia]

All OOC conversation on the war shall take place here.

IC thread located here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=368109

[Ventlimer]

So, First play should be in Mesder sea, with 2 whole navies against most of my navy, which consists of 3 Destroyers, 10 corvettes, and 5 Frigates. Pretty small.

So, what do we have in the area to play with?

[Ostehaar]

Vent - Where exactly is the supply route for your fleet in the Mesder Sea? Can we say it's between Bluestan and Strolsk? If so, the distance to there from Van is around 2,500 km, which means we would need to stop for refueling in Polar Svalbard - I guess he'll be fine with it since he's also in the coalition.

I also intend to send my only escort carrier to the area next to Polar, north of Bluestan, for air strikes in the area. Not yet sure about the size of naval force I'd like to send. Are we assuming there won't be ground activity beyond special operations?

[Ventlimer]

Idk. There's two ways this can end. I can be an occupied territory like Germany after World War Two, and a peace treaty rebuilds me, but stops me from building a military anywhere near as large. Or we can play the game of I sue for peace and my nation is left to rebuild its people. So which ending do we want? To be honest, it would be extremely difficult to invade me, but my people also don't surrender due to history.

So, which one do you guys like? One requires the rather difficult ground invasion of my nation, the other requires you to demoralize my people.

[Ostehaar]

I think invasion is too much, and I don't see it becoming a war which would necessitate occupation and rebuilding in a national scale. This should remain limited, Falkland-style war at the most.

[Ventlimer]

Yeah. So, lets start with the Mesder sea, then worry about crippling my air and naval forces in the north before I sue for peace. You're gonna destroy billions of dollars of equipment. At least my Upkeep will drop

But what do we have in the Mesder. And yes, we can assume that my supply lines to the Mesder sea go that route.

[Ostehaar]

And are they protected in any way?

Masder - I didn't RP having anything there ICly, but for the sake of war I could say I have several missile ships which can fire at your fleet. Not sure it would be wise though...

[Ventlimer]

And are they protected in any way?

Masder - I didn't RP having anything there ICly, but for the sake of war I could say I have several missile ships which can fire at your fleet. Not sure it would be wise though...

No, Van and Atnaia would take on most of my fleet. Not expecting them to join in would be why we lose this war.

[Ostehaar]

No, Van and Atnaia would take on most of my fleet. Not expecting them to join in would be why we lose this war.

Good, so I have time to get ready, bring my stuff to your vicinity, and bomb your supplies. Excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAf0QnLFS7Q

[Atnaia]

So, 100% my navy will be getting involved almost immediately. It's a mostly defensive, support fleet, so we can essentially hold off Vent's fleet around our borders until more people show up.

[Ventlimer]

So, 100% my navy will be getting involved almost immediately. It's a mostly defensive, support fleet, so we can essentially hold off Vent's fleet around our borders until more people show up.

Yup. You willing to take some losses?

[Atnaia]

So, 100% my navy will be getting involved almost immediately. It's a mostly defensive, support fleet, so we can essentially hold off Vent's fleet around our borders until more people show up.

Yup. You willing to take some losses?

Oof. I'd rather not, obviously, but it's unavoidable, really. The only ship that is off-limits is my destroyer, the Duke Attington, because I cannot afford to replace it. Type 45s are damn expensive, and I don't have much of a procurement budget right now.

[Ventlimer]

Yup. You willing to take some losses?

Oof. I'd rather not, obviously, but it's unavoidable, really. The only ship that is off-limits is my destroyer, the Duke Attington, because I cannot afford to replace it. Type 45s are damn expensive, and I don't have much of a procurement budget right now.

A few corvettes will have to die, but I'm expecting to pretty much not have a naval presence in the Mesder sea after this

[Atnaia]

Oof. I'd rather not, obviously, but it's unavoidable, really. The only ship that is off-limits is my destroyer, the Duke Attington, because I cannot afford to replace it. Type 45s are damn expensive, and I don't have much of a procurement budget right now.

A few corvettes will have to die, but I'm expecting to pretty much not have a naval presence in the Mesder sea after this

A few of my grand total of 5 corvettes?

[Vancouvia]

So what's the extent of this war? Just a naval engagement and then a surrender? Vancouvian strategy at this point would be to take the fleet slowly west while merging forces with Ostehaar and/or Polar if he wants to get in on this and then try to both weaken your fleet and paratroop several squads of VSF into your country to start small guerrilla and saboteur missions.

[Ventlimer]

So what's the extent of this war? Just a naval engagement and then a surrender? Vancouvian strategy at this point would be to take the fleet slowly west while merging forces with Ostehaar and/or Polar if he wants to get in on this and then try to both weaken your fleet and paratroop several squads of VSF into your country to start small guerrilla and saboteur missions.

Lets not call it surrender... lets call it "Suing for peace"

[Vancouvia]

So what's the extent of this war? Just a naval engagement and then a surrender? Vancouvian strategy at this point would be to take the fleet slowly west while merging forces with Ostehaar and/or Polar if he wants to get in on this and then try to both weaken your fleet and paratroop several squads of VSF into your country to start small guerrilla and saboteur missions.

Lets not call it surrender... lets call it "Suing for peace"

Okay what about the rest

[Ostehaar]

Vancouvian strategy at this point would be to take the fleet slowly west while merging forces with Ostehaar and/or Polar if he wants to get in on this and then try to both weaken your fleet and paratroop several squads of VSF into your country to start small guerrilla and saboteur missions.

Ah, Vent was hoping you already have forces in the Mesder Sea to fight against. Vent - If he doesn't, it leaves the Atnaian forces alone against you in the Mesder without anyone to stop them, while we three (or two) approach you from the east to the area west of Polar.

[Ventlimer]

Well then, Atnaia is about to take some serious losses then. I might destroy a lot of his navy, then be able to reposition once I get Recon 1 out. But Vancouvia needs to declare war before I do that. Looks like I'll sink Atnaia, then reverse when Van declares war. I may have a lot more of a navy to fight with than I thought. With that in mind, It would be a short engagement with Atnaia. Then Van Declares war, and I pull my forces back. That can be done on the Succession Crisis thread. Calling my troops back should be the first post of the engagement. Van, I have some reinforcements already being pulled back, including 2 destroyers. The others would take a couple days.

[Vancouvia]

I have some troops at Isle du Soleli but it wouldn't be enough to engage with

[Ventlimer]

I have some troops at Isle du Soleli but it wouldn't be enough to engage with

I figured you might have some at the I.D., but yeah. I'll be in a lot better position to fight this war than I thought. So. Van, When do you think you should declare war?

As for the paratrooping... My nation is lush with forests and mountains. Not sure how you're gonna do that very well. I'm actually seriously considering getting rid of the 100 tanks I have, knocking it down to 20. As well as taking some of the APCs and IFVs out. My terrain is just too bad for it. Or get planes in while my fighters still patrol my borders.

[Ostehaar]

Hmm.. What if I use naval commando operations to sink some of your ships in the Mesder? I guess that would save some of Atnaia's navy and be another reason for your fleet to return home (remember I'm going to start bombing your supplies as soon as I put planes in Dashgrinaar - so your fleet might be weakened after that and a skirmish against Atnaia).

[Vancouvia]

I have some troops at Isle du Soleli but it wouldn't be enough to engage with

I figured you might have some at the I.D., but yeah. I'll be in a lot better position to fight this war than I thought. So. Van, When do you think you should declare war?

As for the paratrooping... My nation is lush with forests and mountains. Not sure how you're gonna do that very well. I'm actually seriously considering getting rid of the 100 tanks I have, knocking it down to 20. As well as taking some of the APCs and IFVs out. My terrain is just too bad for it. Or get planes in while my fighters still patrol my borders.

Yes I have troops at the I.D. too but that's not much closer.

I'm going to declare war after Ost does. I don't believe he has yet.

If your terrain is poor and you still have aerial superiority then we'd insert via small boats to unoccupied shorelines and then move inland

[Ostehaar]

I'm going to declare war after Ost does. I don't believe he has yet.

Actually I don't quite understand this concept of "declaring war" these days - Both sides know a state of war exists in practice, so I'm simply going to attack without warning. :P

If your terrain is poor and you still have aerial superiority then we'd insert via small boats to unoccupied shorelines and then move inland

I'm going to try and establish aerial superiority at the beginning (bombing airbases, RADAR stations, and air-defense sites)... So hopefully we would be able to land special forces somewhere.

[Ostehaar]

Also - question: I've agreed with Dash I'll use his territory as base of aerial operations. That means I have to get my planes to his nation - Such a process would take, in my opinion, a few days. I'm not going to publish news posts about it, of course, so Vent - would you like me to RP the transfer of planes, or do we simply agree a few days have passed and they're there? This is just to prevent IC confusion of "how is it possible that you're attacking from there?".

Another option to solve this would be to start the IC story with our forces moving to the area, and not with the actual start of fighting. :P