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Omarios
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Your nation's top secret organisation?

Postby Omarios » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:48 am

What's your nation's top secret organisation? Are they independent, or a part of the government?

In Omarios, the top secret organisation is the DSI (Directorate of Secret Intelligence). Absolutely NOTHING is known about this organisation, except that it was created by the government possibly in the 1940s/50s to counter espionage, political dissent, and double agency. This agency is not a part of the Omarian Intelligence Service, or the Military Intelligence. The organisation is feared by everyone, as it caused so many forced disappearances, it is locally dubbed as "the boogeyman". It is believed that this agency is so discreet in its activity that rogue intelligence agents started looking for it. It is also believed that the Omarian Intelligence Service doesn't know who serves in this organisation.
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Postby Messeren » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:39 pm

Messeren possesses the MCI/MJZ (Messyrii Commissariat of Intelligence/Messyrii Jamosi e Zathaminae), a government organisation which was established sometime around the late 30s or early 40s. Strictly a crytocracy, the identities of the leaders are known only by the Messyrii High Council and Royal Family. The MCI is divided into many cells, rather than there being different organisations, it handles basic intelligence, covert operations, anti-terrorist silencing operations and other acts that have caused it to have a feared reputation and the nickname of "Invisible Hand", due to how it can see, hear and touch everything inside Messeren without so much as a whisper.

The cells enable it to function in safety and secrecy, as any agent or operative captured would be unable to deliver any intelligence into enemy hands via torture as the intelligence would not be known. The MCI does function differently from military intelligence, which is headed by the military high command, the MCI does however operate in war time against foreign regimes and threats, and are capable of manipulating events.
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Postby Neo Prutenia » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:51 pm

What's your nation's top secret organisation?

If i knew that, it wouldn't be top secret.

Are they independent, or a part of the government?

If they were part of the government, I'd know it, but I obviously wouldn't tell, and if they weren't part of the government, I wouldn't know.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:25 pm

The organization is not secret, some of its activities are. OESW Office of Economic and Special Warfare.

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Postby Anollasia » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:30 pm

We prefer not to keep secrets.

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Postby Persie » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:34 pm

It's The Imperial Peace Keepers, there main job is to keep the emperor safe but there have the task of doing what ever the emperor says and only have little over site from the other branches but it depends on the emperor

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Postby The Republic of American Freedom » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:36 pm

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Postby Chinese Peoples » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:54 pm

It's hard to make an organization secret, because in order for it to function, it must have some sort of a budget, and that budget must be granted by the Legislative Yuan. While appropriations can nominally be presented in secret in part by the Executive Yuan to the Legislative Yuan, it is in reality impossible to maintain this secrecy as legislators are typically keen to leak sensitive information. That organization must also have an organizational legislation in order for the Examination Yuan to appoint officials to fill its posts; legislation can't be kept secret, and the appointments of the Examination Yuan can't be concealed either. Also, no official is completely safe from scrutiny; the Control Yuan has constitutional power to investigate everything in the executive branch, and the discretion of the Control Yuan is historically unreliable.

Another factor working against secret government is the system of gazettes. All government organizations must publish their gazettes, which by law details every piece of document going in and out of the organization. A report sent from the Ministry of the Interior to the Executive Yuan would be transcribed on both the Ministry of the Interior gazette ("we sent to the Executive Yuan this report, which states...") and the Executive Yuan gazette ("we received from the Ministry of the Interior this report, which states..."). The precise contents of the document may not be transcribed completely, especially when they concern the privacy of citizens, but it is impossible to conceal the fact that a document was sent or received. China is committed to administration based on legislation, and any instruction not bearing the seal and signature of the competent issuer is not legally binding — a subordinate is not required to acknowledge the requirements of his superior unless it is made patently and under seal.
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Postby Eclius » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:19 pm

Actually, we have two.

Praetorian Guards: a secret branch of police department aimed to protect Augustus system (the A.I. emperor of Eclius). The Praetorian guards is composed of two divisions, the division composed of skilled programmers that protects the system from viruses, and the skilled commandos that aimed to protect the physical data core itself.

Blade of Augustus: a secret organization that is completely separated from Eclisian Department of Security and Intelligence, they only have one purpose, and that, is to assassinate enemy officials during the times of war
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Postby Verdiga » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:29 pm

There's the Department of Intelligence.

It is divided into two branches, the Bureau of International Intelligence (BII), the Verdiger equivalent of the CIA, and the Bureau of Domestic Intelligence (BDI), what to Verdiga the FBI is to the United States.
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Postby Apiatica » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:51 pm

Bees as a whole hate secrecy. As such, no group has ever truly been secret, and even in times of war sensitive information was freely available. While group behavior limits accountability, officials are generally connected to their organization by their antennae. This makes maintaining a secret organization virtually impossible, even if the serious (for bees) ethical question of withholding information from the public was considered.

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Rathikov
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Postby Rathikov » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:45 pm

The Imperial Republic prefers to have its organizations known to the public. Not their activities, but definitely their existence. The value of official authority outweighs the value of secrecy as pertains to formal groups; any secret organizations of the Republic would be temporary bodies organized for a specific mission and dissolved once that mission had ended. Even our death squads and men in black are part of an official and public organization; the Imperial Office of Covert Operations (alternately and informally, the Wetwork Office), a branch of the Intelligence Department of the Ministry of War & Security. Nobody outside the political elite knows exactly what they're doing at any one time, but everyone knows that they exist and will come for anyone who causes too much trouble. They have public offices in major cities.

The Office of Covert Operations did at one point act like more conventional secret police and got it into their heads that they were the true power behind the throne. Following a purging of their ranks by Imperial military forces and angry mobs of civilians when they decided they could refuse an order directly from the Emperor, they abandoned such delusions and are now firmly loyal to the throne.
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Thurask
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Postby Thurask » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:56 am

We would prefer a standard of transparency in government dealings, but the organization entrusted to prevent all of the other ones listed here from operating is the Bureau of National Intelligence.
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Anatotitia
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Postby Anatotitia » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:09 am

Aegis. They are funded by the leader of the country himself. They only have about 25 operators. The government doesn't know it exists, the administrator doesn't know all its members, if a police officer sees him walking around with illegal items, he's excused due to being part of the organisation. They usually just walk about, blending in with citizens, and the underground, feeding back information secretly to the government.

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The Nationalistic European Alliance
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Postby The Nationalistic European Alliance » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:04 am

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Albania SRA
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Postby Albania SRA » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:55 am

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The Gamindustrian Union
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Postby The Gamindustrian Union » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:27 am

We have the Gamindustrian Intelligence Cooperative (GIC), which helps nations by providing and sharing intelligence, both locally and internationally. It was founded by Anonydeath before becoming Minister of Internal Affairs.
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Postby Albania-RPSSH » Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:15 am

The top secret organization of the People's Socialist Republic of Albania is the Directorate of State Security. It pledges its allegiance to the leadership of the Communist Party of Albania. The mission of the Directorate of State Security is to undertake intelligence activities from within Albania and abroad, preventing counterrevolution and eliminating opposition that threatens to undermine the governing authority of the leadership of the Communist Party of Albania, thus, protecting the sovereignty of the state and order of the society.
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Postby Hindia Belanda » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:17 am

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The INVEI (short for Inlichtingen en Veiligheidsdienst) is the foreign intelligence agency of Hindia Belanda. The existence of the INVEI itself isn't a secret as the agency must regularly report to Parliament for budget purposes, but it does operate clandestinely and the full list of its employees are not publicly disclosed.

The INVEI supplies the government with foreign intelligence and it deploys agents overseas to collect information. It is also known to informally recruit informants/sources abroad.

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The NATVEI is akin to the United States FBI, undertaking counterintelligence and counterterrorism operations in addition to investigating crimes within Hindia Belanda. The NATVEI also occasionally supports the INVEI with domestic operations connected to the latter's international operations.
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Moravianda
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Postby Moravianda » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:41 am

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Postby Saurisisia » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:26 pm

There are two such organizations whose existence is known but the vast majority of their activities are classified, with those that are known having been conducted some fifty to forty-five years ago. First, there is the Office of Intelligence and Security, whose mission is to gather intelligence on enemy and potentially hostile states and non-governmental organizations and to ensure the Saurisian government and military hierarchy know what they have to deal with.

And then, there are the various organizations under the general umbrella of the Department of National Security, who handle internal threats to Saurisia and its society and populace overall.
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Postby Nortainland » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:06 pm

The Kingdom's secret espionage organisation is the Queen's Royal Mounted Guard, known as HMMG, standing for Her Majesty's Mounted Guard. Nominally the third personal bodyguard of Her Majesty the Queen, in actuality it conducts secret missions on the orders of the King, Queen and the Privy Council. It receives funding directly from the Monarch's accounts and as such are not part of the Government. The field members of the guard may be seen during the annual Privy Parade, though their uniform precludes the identification of members, having a full ceremonial knight's helmet.

The rest of the guard works in various locations across the country, in individual 'bases', which are often concealed or hidden.
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Postby Lychgate » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:12 pm

The Empire of Lychgate maintains several agencies managed by the Office of National Security under the Department of the Interior. These include the ISS (Imperial Spy Service), ASS (Advanced Status Systems), LIARS (Lychgatean Imperial Air Reconnaissance Ships), and the WOTM8 (Watchful Oligarchic Temporary Movement of 8, which is a check on unions lead by 8 CEOs of Lychgate's biggest businesses.).
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Postby Victoriala » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:14 pm

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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:31 pm

Victoriala wrote:Nothing can be shadier than the leadership.

^same
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