by Petrolheadia » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:24 am
by Alyakia » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:26 am
by Merala » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:26 am
by Esternial » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:28 am
by Nerotysia » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:29 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:29 am
Esternial wrote:You're using examples where communism has been attempted but eventually ended up with a corrupted version of it.
Communism, if implemented as envisioned, would be ideal. It's just not possible because human beings are a bunch of twats so why bother? We can't have nice things. No communism. No new season for Firefly. No Ned Stark.
by Vistulange » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:31 am
by Great Carlistan » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:31 am
by North Dragoria » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:32 am
by Dravinium » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:35 am
by Sarethan » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:35 am
Petrolheadia wrote:I wonder why do so many people want communism.
by New Aapelistan » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:35 am
Petrolheadia wrote:I wonder why do so many people want communism. It has been proved that it is a very bad system and it is destructive to nations. Here are a few arguments against communism:
1. Lack of freedom. In communist countries people get arrested for merely being against communism. Press is strictly regulated and censored. People are arrested and even killed for being in anticommunist protests. Foreign trips are nearly impossible because of their cost and the suspicion of the government for them.
2. Harsh penitential system for dissenters. People caught on being against the government are frequently tortured, even to death. Some get sentenced to a few years in solitary confinement, while others get killed. Many dissenters die of police brutality and the killers go unpunished.
3. Violent antitheism. In communist nations faiths are heavily repressed. Churches are
destroyed and people have to stay under the radar with their faith. What's worse, many people get imprisoned or even killed just for keeping to their faiths.
4. Bad economy. In communist countries people are really poor. They live for under 1/5 of Westrrn wages. This might be caused by the bad governmental control of the economy.
5. Aprovisational trouble. Citizens of communist countries have to wait very long to get basic items. You have to wait for over ten years to get an apartment or a car. Waiting time for having a telephone line is a few years. Even things like meat or butter are rare in shops and even if they get to them, you have to stand in a line for a few hours just to get them.
6. Shoddy products. The communist method of directing workers causes their productive output to be of very bad quality. TVs made in communist states are known for being fire-prone and cars made there survive over 10 years only because cars are such a rarity.
7. Economic instability. While many people think that communism gives a more stable economy than capitalism, they are wrong. In communism, inflation is rampant (money's value can go down by 50% in a few years, eating savings up), stores might not have basic items, such as toilet paper or lemons and families are afraid of breadwinners getting arrested.
8. Heavy internet censorship and lack of access to it. Communist countries do their best to stop spreading dissent through the internet. In such nations internet traffic is spied on and foreign or dissent sites are blocked. Another barrier is the lack of money to buy a computer and an internet access amongst families.
So, if you were a supporter of communism before reading this, think again. Do you still support communism? Do you support lack of freedom and a bad economy? Maybe you have more arguments for communism? Tell me!
by The Lacedaemonians » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:36 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:36 am
Alyakia wrote:is this going to be a "you ever heard a little thing called the soviet union???" thread
by Valaran » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:36 am
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Unitaristic Regions » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:36 am
by Chartist Socialist Republics » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:37 am
by Great Carlistan » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:37 am
by Great Carlistan » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:37 am
by Thermodolia » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:38 am
HUElavia wrote:I think whatsomemost people want is Democratic Socialism, something that is different from Communism.
by Havenburgh » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:38 am
Petrolheadia wrote:I wonder why do so many people want communism. It has been proved that it is a very bad system and it is destructive to nations. Here are a few arguments against communism:
1. Lack of freedom. In communist countries people get arrested for merely being against communism. Press is strictly regulated and censored. People are arrested and even killed for being in anticommunist protests. Foreign trips are nearly impossible because of their cost and the suspicion of the government for them.
2. Harsh penitential system for dissenters. People caught on being against the government are frequently tortured, even to death. Some get sentenced to a few years in solitary confinement, while others get killed. Many dissenters die of police brutality and the killers go unpunished.
3. Violent antitheism. In communist nations faiths are heavily repressed. Churches are
destroyed and people have to stay under the radar with their faith. What's worse, many people get imprisoned or even killed just for keeping to their faiths.
4. Bad economy. In communist countries people are really poor. They live for under 1/5 of Westrrn wages. This might be caused by the bad governmental control of the economy.
5. Aprovisational trouble. Citizens of communist countries have to wait very long to get basic items. You have to wait for over ten years to get an apartment or a car. Waiting time for having a telephone line is a few years. Even things like meat or butter are rare in shops and even if they get to them, you have to stand in a line for a few hours just to get them.
6. Shoddy products. The communist method of directing workers causes their productive output to be of very bad quality. TVs made in communist states are known for being fire-prone and cars made there survive over 10 years only because cars are such a rarity.
7. Economic instability. While many people think that communism gives a more stable economy than capitalism, they are wrong. In communism, inflation is rampant (money's value can go down by 50% in a few years, eating savings up), stores might not have basic items, such as toilet paper or lemons and families are afraid of breadwinners getting arrested.
8. Heavy internet censorship and lack of access to it. Communist countries do their best to stop spreading dissent through the internet. In such nations internet traffic is spied on and foreign or dissent sites are blocked. Another barrier is the lack of money to buy a computer and an internet access amongst families.
So, if you were a supporter of communism before reading this, think again. Do you still support communism? Do you support lack of freedom and a bad economy? Maybe you have more arguments for communism? Tell me!
by Nerotysia » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:39 am
Dravinium wrote:An idea is not a good idea if it doesn't work in practice. Good ideas have to work to be good ideas. Imagining a world where everyone is happy is a nice thought, but it's not a "good idea."
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