Big brother's not only watching, he's speaking too

[Urstania]

Here is an article about the CCTV's in britain that have installed Loud Speakers so a controller behind the camera can politly warn you if you step out of line

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... g-you.html

In another clip about the progressing penetrative fascist state growing in britain was this News Segment about police search and stop on a bus with sniffer dogs to pick up anybody with illegal material, drugs etc with an on the spot portable metal detector. The News article didnt even mention or talk to any critics of this move by the police, it only interviewed a cop who was for the move and that was about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4cgAzlT ... re=related

So is freedom really just an illusion in Britain? and the truth is, its the most penetrative, brutally efficient police state in the world?

[Tubbsalot]

WE ARE BEING WATCHED IN PUBLIC OH MY GOODNESS

AND WE CAN BE TALKED TO AS WELL??? FASCIST NIGHTMARE

[Urstania]

As I understood it we ahve the right not to be searched and a "policeman having a hunch" we could be carrying something illegal would mean if they did find something illegal the evidence can be thrown out of court becuase they need probably cause.

I dont see any reason for the police to arbitrarily stop busses on the main route. go in with sniffer dogs and set up portable metal detectors and subject all the people on the bus to this stop and search and arrest anybody who wasnt conforming to thier laws. This I think is an abuse of power by the police force. The UK even have privately owned zones in cities where its illegal to protest and its policed by private security. And to make people think this sort of behaviour of the police exerting thier expanded powers in such a way is a normal everyday occurance that shouldnt be questioned is just a way of desensatising the people to accepting it as normal.

I dont think this behaviour by a state is normal and im not going to accept anything like this in NZ

[The Adrian Empire]

I for one am actually concerned about this. As one of the American Founders said, (it was either Jefferson or Ben) "If you sacrifice a little freedom to gain a little safety, you gain neither and lose both"

[Tubbsalot]

Look, I'm willing to debate the progression of arguably regressive, authoritarian social policies in England. I'm willing to to discuss the random bus-search, and the idea that the police are going too far. But please do not describe something as "fascist" unless it actually is fascist, or at least is bordering on the realms of coming close to fascism. All it does is make the word meaningless, and make you look like an alarmist tin-hat crazy.

That said, the only real problem I can see is that the bus searches are intruding on the time of ordinary people, and because of this I doubt they're going to last very long or become very widespread.

I for one am actually concerned about this. As one of the American Founders said, (it was either Jefferson or Ben) "If you sacrifice a little freedom to gain a little safety, you gain neither and lose both"

Except that the Brits aren't losing any freedom. The moment these cameras start plucking themselves up and taking random people into custody, you can tell me that. But just being seen in public cannot be a loss of freedom, it cannot be an invasion of privacy. You could make an argument for the metal detectors being such an invasion, I suppose, but I can't really say how you'd do that.

[The Adrian Empire]

Look, I'm willing to debate the progression of arguably regressive, authoritarian social policies in England. I'm willing to to discuss the random bus-search, and the idea that the police are going too far. But please do not describe something as "fascist" unless it actually is fascist, or at least is bordering on the realms of coming close to fascism. All it does is make the word meaningless, and make you look like an alarmist tin-hat crazy.

That said, the only real problem I can see is that the bus searches are intruding on the time of ordinary people, and because of this I doubt they're going to last very long or become very widespread.

I for one am actually concerned about this. As one of the American Founders said, (it was either Jefferson or Ben) "If you sacrifice a little freedom to gain a little safety, you gain neither and lose both"

Except that the Brits aren't losing any freedom. The moment these cameras start plucking themselves up and taking random people into custody, you can tell me that. But just being seen in public cannot be a loss of freedom, it cannot be an invasion of privacy. You could make an argument for the metal detectors being such an invasion, I suppose, but I can't really say how you'd do that.

That's true, I'm not putting on my tin foil hat yet, I have no problem with security cameras, there are a good way to catch criminals and respond to scenarios faster. The loudspeakers, however just seem to scream dystopic fascist state. Amiright

Edit: Didn't notice that I would say metal detectors are a most definitely a breach of privacy. Except where they are very necessary

[Non Aligned States]

The UK even have privately owned zones in cities where its illegal to protest and its policed by private security.

And what's the problem with this exactly? If it's private property, the owner has every right to eject people who are not expressly invited in, and I certainly imagine they don't invite protesters.

[Dulgain]

I'm from the UK and I can tell you now that I don't feel any less free here, infact I feel free-er than I ever did when I went to USA. New York City, the police stopped a member of our school tour group because they tried to enter maceys by themselves. Terror squad was on stand by because a CHILD was trying to enter a building. That won't happen here, because of CCTV normal, innocent people are less likely to be arrested etc, CCTV catches thousands of criminals that would otherwise go free, and if it can alert these criminals not to do something when they are about to, I'm all for it. It makes ME feel safer.

[My 3rd Floor Flat]

In some situations I suppose that these loudspeakers could be useful, only in areas of high crime, social disturbance and violence though. Sticking them in the middle of an otherwise average high street however would be unacceptable.

Unlike Americans who freak out over every little imposition and injustice the British such as myself tend to give, not just a little, but alot more. We're prepared to put up with high taxation, ridiculous government polocies and the like with a shrug of our soldiers and to keep on pressing onwards with our lives; not like our stroppy continental bretheren who go on strike every other day and tip milk over fields.

British mentality is mostly concerned with just one thing, privacy in the home, provided we still have dominion over our own property we're more or less happy to let everything outside of our home to be infringed upon in intrusive little ways such as this. After all, one of the most discussed points in british politics at the moment is whether or not you can attack burglers inside your own home; that is the extent to which we focus upon our rights in our homes. In public however, well, meh, everyone can see you.

When the government goes too far over here they tend to know about it, a few months ago it seemed as if we were on the brink of mass protests over alot of things but thus far the government has managed to keep things ticking over. A few more feet out of line however and the backlash will be tremendous i'd imagine.

[My 3rd Floor Flat]

From the looks of things I imagine that this discussion is going to be the Brits mostly agreeing that we are in fact free with our exensive freedom of speech and sensible protesting rights and don't feel infringed upon in anyway by trivial things like this whilst all the "foreigners" argue opposing points for us.

[Acadzia]

The moment these cameras start plucking themselves up and taking random people into custody, you can tell me that.

Can he really, though, if government-controlled camera-bots are taking people away in black bags? Use your brain, mate!

[Tubbsalot]

The moment these cameras start plucking themselves up and taking random people into custody, you can tell me that.

Can he really, though, if government-controlled camera-bots are taking people away in black bags? Use your brain, mate!

Don't be silly. If the sentient camerabots are taking people away, clearly they've done something wrong. Everything is fine. The government is good.

[Acadzia]

The moment these cameras start plucking themselves up and taking random people into custody, you can tell me that.

Can he really, though, if government-controlled camera-bots are taking people away in black bags? Use your brain, mate!

Don't be silly. If the sentient camerabots are taking people away, clearly they've done something wrong. Everything is fine. The government is good.

Everything is fine. The government is good.

[Urstania]

Ok then. what do the British think about the EU and the new President of Europe. Baron Von Rompoy?
A Bilderberg member who speaks about "Global Governance"

what about the Lisbon treaty? Ireland voted agianst it in a referendum, like the only country that even had an referendum on it yet its still imposed on all the EU. Do you know of a politician Nigel Farage? and what do British think of him?

[Grandais]

The moment these cameras start plucking themselves up and taking random people into custody, you can tell me that.

Can he really, though, if government-controlled camera-bots are taking people away in black bags? Use your brain, mate!

Don't be silly. If the sentient camerabots are taking people away, clearly they've done something wrong. Everything is fine. The government is good.

We were always at war with Eurasia.

[My 3rd Floor Flat]

Ok then. what do the British think about the EU and the new President of Europe. Baron Von Rompoy?
A Bilderberg member who speaks about "Global Governance"

what about the Lisbon treaty? Ireland voted agianst it in a referendum, like the only country that even had an referendum on it yet its still imposed on all the EU. Do you know of a politician Nigel Farage? and what do British think of him?

i know about Rompoy but the mainstream British media has practically ignored him, we aren't overly concerned about the doings of the EU, thus far the EU hasn't "crossed the line" worse than what the Labour governments been doing to it's own country for the last ten years with it's cultural integration efforts.

As for the Lisbon Treaty, yep that's a thorn in the side of the British public. We were cheering for Ireland, we didn't get a vote, Gordon Brown quietly pushed it through parliment just before they dissolved for their yearly holiday. As for Nigel Farage, nope haven't heard of him.

To be utterly fair, as far as nour personal libirties are not being infringed upon we don't generally mind. Sure I personally loath the stupidity of most "equality" acts that Europes begun dishing out to member nations recently. But the British public is mostly confident that when crunch time comes we'll be fine.

[Extreme Ironing]

Wouldn't it be better to have these employees as police officers on the street?

[Tagmatium]

Wouldn't it be better to have these employees as police officers on the street?

That's why we've got PCSOs!

In another clip about the progressing penetrative fascist state growing in britain was this News Segment about police search and stop on a bus with sniffer dogs to pick up anybody with illegal material, drugs etc with an on the spot portable metal detector.

Never heard of that one before, and I really think that more people would probably have picked up on that one.

Can't help but notice that one of your main sources is the Daily Fail, though.

[Extreme Ironing]

Wouldn't it be better to have these employees as police officers on the street?

That's why we've got PCSOs!

I bet these people sitting in offices shouting at loiterers through loud speakers cost less as well.