by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:48 pm
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:56 pm
That's because it's a violent hate group akin to the Black Panthers of the 1960s.
After all, such race baiting on the left wing and BLM movements leads to already racist white individuals becoming more fueled with rage. For instance, the notorious Dylan Storm Roof shot up a black church, and one of his main motives was the fact that "blacks are acting like idiots." Was Roof hateful and wrong? Most certainly, but the fact remains that he killed innocents simply because of the fact that he perceived racism on the other side against whites, just as some blacks say that whites as a whole are still very racist in this country. Dylan Storm Roof was a crazy fuck who is better off dead, but he might have been living quietly in his mom's basements had he not been inspired to "take revenge" after seeing race baiting on both sides of the spectrum.
by Geilinor » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:58 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:That's because it's a violent hate group akin to the Black Panthers of the 1960s.
That implies that it's a coherent group.After all, such race baiting on the left wing and BLM movements leads to already racist white individuals becoming more fueled with rage. For instance, the notorious Dylan Storm Roof shot up a black church, and one of his main motives was the fact that "blacks are acting like idiots." Was Roof hateful and wrong? Most certainly, but the fact remains that he killed innocents simply because of the fact that he perceived racism on the other side against whites, just as some blacks say that whites as a whole are still very racist in this country. Dylan Storm Roof was a crazy fuck who is better off dead, but he might have been living quietly in his mom's basements had he not been inspired to "take revenge" after seeing race baiting on both sides of the spectrum.
by Sanctissima » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:59 pm
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:59 pm
by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:00 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:That's because it's a violent hate group akin to the Black Panthers of the 1960s.
That implies that it's a coherent group.After all, such race baiting on the left wing and BLM movements leads to already racist white individuals becoming more fueled with rage. For instance, the notorious Dylan Storm Roof shot up a black church, and one of his main motives was the fact that "blacks are acting like idiots." Was Roof hateful and wrong? Most certainly, but the fact remains that he killed innocents simply because of the fact that he perceived racism on the other side against whites, just as some blacks say that whites as a whole are still very racist in this country. Dylan Storm Roof was a crazy fuck who is better off dead, but he might have been living quietly in his mom's basements had he not been inspired to "take revenge" after seeing race baiting on both sides of the spectrum.
It's really hard to take this as anything but "Keep your head down and maybe the shitheads will leave you alone."
We've all seen white nationalists on here. Google acknowledging that all of the US isn't 100% pure Aryan is racism and cultural genocide. Shitheads look for excuses, they aren't set off by legitimate concerns. Also, it's "would be better off dead", since he was taken alive.
I suppose in general I think race relations are probably at one of their best points in US history.
I am in no way saying that this is a good thing.
by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:01 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Also, the National Review? Really?
by Geilinor » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:08 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Also, the National Review? Really?
I'm not too familiar with them. I looked them up, they seem to have a conservative leaning, but they're no more biased than the HuffPost or The Guardian, both of which I, and most NS'ers, recognize as legitimate sources.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:08 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:I'm assuming you're referring to skinheads, and if so, then shitheads is a use I'll begin using more habitually to refer to neo nazi skinheads.
However, you also seem to think that these white nationalist loons are anything more than a fringe of basement dwellers that jerk off to holocaust denial videos. That said, I acknowledged their threat to minority communities fully. I also acknowledged how thinly veiled racism and self righteousness in certain "third wave civil rights movements" only help shitheads gain popularity.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:10 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:I'm not too familiar with them. I looked them up, they seem to have a conservative leaning, but they're no more biased than the HuffPost or The Guardian, both of which I, and most NS'ers, recognize as legitimate sources.
by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:10 pm
Geilinor wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
I'm not too familiar with them. I looked them up, they seem to have a conservative leaning, but they're no more biased than the HuffPost or The Guardian, both of which I, and most NS'ers, recognize as legitimate sources.
The Guardian separates the news and opinion pieces. The National Review is an ideological magazine like The Nation.
by Geilinor » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:13 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Geilinor wrote:The Guardian separates the news and opinion pieces. The National Review is an ideological magazine like The Nation.
I'm reading into it at the moment. I recognize the clear bias, but it's seemingly reliable, unlike rags such as BreitBart, RevLeft, and others. You get the point. My biggest pet peeve on this forum is the endless debates over sources. Upon looking at the article, it should be apparent as to whether or not it's reliable.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:14 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:You get the point. My biggest pet peeve on this forum is the endless debates over sources. Upon looking at the article, it should be apparent as to whether or not it's reliable.
by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:14 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:I'm assuming you're referring to skinheads, and if so, then shitheads is a use I'll begin using more habitually to refer to neo nazi skinheads.
Shithead is just a general term, like asshole.However, you also seem to think that these white nationalist loons are anything more than a fringe of basement dwellers that jerk off to holocaust denial videos. That said, I acknowledged their threat to minority communities fully. I also acknowledged how thinly veiled racism and self righteousness in certain "third wave civil rights movements" only help shitheads gain popularity.
Are these shitheads a fringe of basement dwellers or are modern civil rights movements helping them gain popularity?
You're listening to their justifications. That's not something you should do with extremists like them. Their justifications are bullshit. They're no more in reaction to civil rights movements than ISIS is to homosexuality in the West. They're upset that black people still aren't considered inferior. These shitheads have always been around; this recent publicity has less to do with them gaining popularity and more to do with them feeling like the world increasingly has no place for them.
Which, to be fair, it doesn't.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:17 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Well, I'm going to call skinheads "shitheads" nonetheless.
Of course they've always been around, and I'm happy to say that their presence is nowhere near as high as it was in the KKK real
All that said, I'm not going to deny that many act violently as a response to what they perceive to be anti white actions. Furthermore, I'm not at all listening to their justifications, I hate supremacists of all stripes as much as the next person.
But, the supremacists weren't even the integral point of the thread, just a small sliver of it. The biggest issue I raised was the fact that race baiting, petty racial politics, and accusations of "institutional discrimination" on both sides of the spectrum, only leads to an inevitable decline in race relations, which is definitely bad.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:18 pm
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by United Marxist Nations » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:21 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Well, I'm going to call skinheads "shitheads" nonetheless.
Of course they've always been around, and I'm happy to say that their presence is nowhere near as high as it was in the KKK real
All that said, I'm not going to deny that many act violently as a response to what they perceive to be anti white actions. Furthermore, I'm not at all listening to their justifications, I hate supremacists of all stripes as much as the next person.
But, the supremacists weren't even the integral point of the thread, just a small sliver of it. The biggest issue I raised was the fact that race baiting, petty racial politics, and accusations of "institutional discrimination" on both sides of the spectrum, only leads to an inevitable decline in race relations, which is definitely bad.
Well, inevitably, we're not going to see anywhere close to eye-to-eye on this because you view race relations as primarily getting worse and I see them as primarily getting better.
The fever may be worsening, but the disease is running its course. Symptoms flare up, but that's just the immune system doing its job. The underlying causes are being uprooted, little by little.
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by Sanctissima » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:21 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Well, I'm going to call skinheads "shitheads" nonetheless.
Of course they've always been around, and I'm happy to say that their presence is nowhere near as high as it was in the KKK real
All that said, I'm not going to deny that many act violently as a response to what they perceive to be anti white actions. Furthermore, I'm not at all listening to their justifications, I hate supremacists of all stripes as much as the next person.
But, the supremacists weren't even the integral point of the thread, just a small sliver of it. The biggest issue I raised was the fact that race baiting, petty racial politics, and accusations of "institutional discrimination" on both sides of the spectrum, only leads to an inevitable decline in race relations, which is definitely bad.
Well, inevitably, we're not going to see anywhere close to eye-to-eye on this because you view race relations as primarily getting worse and I see them as primarily getting better.
The fever may be worsening, but the disease is running its course. Symptoms flare up, but that's just the immune system doing its job. The underlying causes are being uprooted, little by little.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:27 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:I don't think this metaphor is correct, because, in this case, the fever is very much a part of the disease, not simply a symptom. Race relations are directly worsened by increasing racist sentiments, which the current series of events is creating.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:31 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:I don't think this metaphor is correct, because, in this case, the fever is very much a part of the disease, not simply a symptom. Race relations are directly worsened by increasing racist sentiments, which the current series of events is creating.
Fever is directly worsened by increasing strength of the virus causing the disease relative to the immune system. They aren't mutually exclusive. Race relations are directly worsened by increasing racist sentiments, but I don't think that's the case. Rather, I think that we're experiencing an increase in the expression of racist sentiment, which is a different beast entirely. We were on NSAIDs, to continue the metaphor, and going off makes things feel worse, but sometimes the disease needs to be burned out. For years people have been saying "Racism is dead!". Well, I don't think that racism got terrible in the past three years. I think technology has just enabled us to see it a bit more clearly. These police brutality killings and vengeance murders, they never went away. I doubt they significantly lessened from the 80s 'til now. We just decided to ignore them for a time.
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by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:34 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Fever is directly worsened by increasing strength of the virus causing the disease relative to the immune system. They aren't mutually exclusive. Race relations are directly worsened by increasing racist sentiments, but I don't think that's the case. Rather, I think that we're experiencing an increase in the expression of racist sentiment, which is a different beast entirely. We were on NSAIDs, to continue the metaphor, and going off makes things feel worse, but sometimes the disease needs to be burned out. For years people have been saying "Racism is dead!". Well, I don't think that racism got terrible in the past three years. I think technology has just enabled us to see it a bit more clearly. These police brutality killings and vengeance murders, they never went away. I doubt they significantly lessened from the 80s 'til now. We just decided to ignore them for a time.
How does the disease getting worse burn it out?
Race relations are directly worsened by increasing racist sentiments, but I don't think that's the case. We were on NSAIDs, to continue the metaphor, and going off makes things feel worse, but sometimes the disease needs to be burned out. For years people have been saying "Racism is dead!". Well, I don't think that racism got terrible in the past three years. I think technology has just enabled us to see it a bit more clearly. These police brutality killings and vengeance murders, they never went away. I doubt they significantly lessened from the 80s 'til now. We just decided to ignore them for a time.
by Eol Sha » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:41 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:But, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's not a lack of understanding in both the left and right wing, the underprivileged and inner city minorities and white suburban Americans. Maybe you think it's all the fault of some group, or maybe you think it's all the fault of the "sneaky Cubans and their anti American espionage."
even though it's caused the demise of politicians for something as inconsequential as saying all lives matter.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:42 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:How does the disease getting worse burn it out?Race relations are directly worsened by increasing racist sentiments, but I don't think that's the case. We were on NSAIDs, to continue the metaphor, and going off makes things feel worse, but sometimes the disease needs to be burned out. For years people have been saying "Racism is dead!". Well, I don't think that racism got terrible in the past three years. I think technology has just enabled us to see it a bit more clearly. These police brutality killings and vengeance murders, they never went away. I doubt they significantly lessened from the 80s 'til now. We just decided to ignore them for a time.
The disease isn't getting worse. The symptoms are because we aren't ignoring them.
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by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:46 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:But the symptoms further perpetuate the disease by increasing tension.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:51 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:But the symptoms further perpetuate the disease by increasing tension.
The symptoms make clearer the divide between racists and non-racists and create tension between them. If we were in a society in which the majority of people were racist shitheads, I'd say you were right. But I happen to believe we're on the winning side, and this will only accelerate the marginalization of racism in mainstream discourse.
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