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Is Venezuela a failing state?

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Venezuela Polticial Crisis Thread

Postby Nerovia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:59 pm

A thread dedicated to the ongoing political situation in Venezuela.

LATEST

An opposition politician was murdered during a rally. All this just days ahead from oncoming elections there.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5656cae0e4b072e9d1c1cd1d
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-34929332

An interesting article related to the topic.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... errorists/

My Own Opinion
What I think about this? Unbelievable and redicilous. Honestly, it's looking like Venezuela is a failed state. As of a result, there's just so many innocent people suffering because of this, and it's unfair. It looked like the country would have been so much under Hugo Chavez.
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Postby Paredonia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:01 pm

You do realise that you can choose both options in the poll don't you? That doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:02 pm

Argentina's newly elected president, Mauricio Macri, wants to expel Venezuela from Mercosur for violating human rights and freedoms.


And could you please tell us your opinion in the OP, otherwise this thread will probably be locked, and that would be a shame considering the importance of this topic.
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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:35 pm

Does it have to be either great or terrible? Can't the situation be good relative to the region and the history in some ways and bad in others?
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:36 pm

Threlizdun wrote:Does it have to be either great or terrible? Can't the situation be good relative to the region and the history in some ways and bad in others?

It can, but Venezuela isn't doing well relative to the region.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:52 pm

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Threlizdun wrote:Does it have to be either great or terrible? Can't the situation be good relative to the region and the history in some ways and bad in others?

It can, but Venezuela isn't doing well relative to the region.

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Postby Nerovia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:01 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Geilinor wrote:It can, but Venezuela isn't doing well relative to the region.

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So what? Venezuela is the next Yugoslavia?

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Postby Nerovia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:08 pm

Threlizdun wrote:Does it have to be either great or terrible? Can't the situation be good relative to the region and the history in some ways and bad in others?
Well, that's up to your opinion basically. As for the situation in the region, there are some good things, but a lot of bad things sadly (as of recent). Sure there maybe some good things in the past, but it's bad right now for it's future. :(

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:10 pm

Ironic that Hugo Chavez hand-picked the very man who would destroy Venezuelan Socialism.
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Postby The Republic of American Freedom » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:12 pm

Nerovia wrote:A thread dedicated to the ongoing political situation in Venezuela.

LATEST

An opposition politician was murdered during a rally. All this just days ahead from oncoming elections there.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5656cae0e4b072e9d1c1cd1d
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-34929332

An interesting article related to the topic.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... errorists/

My Own Opinion
What I think about this? Unbelievable and redicilous. Honestly, it's looking like Venezuela is a failed state. As of a result, there's just so many innocent people suffering because of this, and it's unfair. It looked like the country would have been so much under Hugo Chavez.

It's about time the Venezuelan people rose up against the oppressive regime.
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Postby The Republic of American Freedom » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:13 pm

Nerovia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Ding-ding, you have won a new Yugo!
So what? Venezuela is the next Yugoslavia?

Chavez is Venezuela's Tito, a popular leader whose death resultes in the collapse of his regime.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:17 pm

Maduro is pond scum.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:17 pm

Gauthier wrote:Ironic that Hugo Chavez hand-picked the very man who would destroy Venezuelan Socialism.


Not that Chavez was any better.
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Postby Nerovia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:27 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Maduro is pond scum.
Damn right. He's been doing a pretty shitty job. Now look where Venezuela's at. A complete laughing stock that has been condemned worldwide by Maduro's actions, and abuses basic human rights (like that article on what the new Aregentinian president is doing).

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Postby Nerovia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:29 pm

The Republic of American Freedom wrote:
Nerovia wrote: So what? Venezuela is the next Yugoslavia?

Chavez is Venezuela's Tito, a popular leader whose death resultes in the collapse of his regime.
And that sadly is what has truly happened. :(

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Postby The Republic of American Freedom » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:31 pm

Nerovia wrote:
The Republic of American Freedom wrote:Chavez is Venezuela's Tito, a popular leader whose death resultes in the collapse of his regime.
And that sadly is what has truly happened. :(

Sadly? I'm glad the Socialists will be removed by a popular revolution, add Cuba's opening up and Socialism will soon be eradicated in South America, or at the very least will lose most of it's power.
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:35 pm

The Republic of American Freedom wrote:
Nerovia wrote: And that sadly is what has truly happened. :(

Sadly? I'm glad the Socialists will be removed by a popular revolution, add Cuba's opening up and Socialism will soon be eradicated in South America, or at the very least will lose most of it's power.

Ugh, I prefer there to be socialists than ultra-liberal US puppets.

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Postby The Republic of American Freedom » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:36 pm

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The Republic of American Freedom wrote:Sadly? I'm glad the Socialists will be removed by a popular revolution, add Cuba's opening up and Socialism will soon be eradicated in South America, or at the very least will lose most of it's power.

Ugh, I prefer there to be socialists than ultra-liberal US puppets.

I prefer ultra-conservative puppets, mind you.
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:49 pm

The Republic of American Freedom wrote:
Calimera II wrote:Ugh, I prefer there to be socialists than ultra-liberal US puppets.

I prefer ultra-conservative puppets, mind you.

Liberal in economic sense. So that's the same as ultra-conservative governments. These ultra-conservative governments have destroyed a lot of countries in South America and I am glad they don't have any power anymore. Fortunately, tenacious actions in pursuit of remembrance, truth and justice have been taken by the population of these countries.

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I agree with her.

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Postby The Republic of American Freedom » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:52 pm

Calimera II wrote:
The Republic of American Freedom wrote:I prefer ultra-conservative puppets, mind you.

Liberal in economic sense. So that's the same as ultra-conservative governments. These ultra-conservative governments have destroyed a lot of countries in South America and I am glad they don't have any power anymore. Fortunately, tenacious actions in pursuit of remembrance, truth and justice have been taken by the population of these countries.

One of the greatest Argentine every once said:
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I agree with her.

Fascism is a lot better indeed. *sarcasm*
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:53 pm

The Republic of American Freedom wrote:
Calimera II wrote:Liberal in economic sense. So that's the same as ultra-conservative governments. These ultra-conservative governments have destroyed a lot of countries in South America and I am glad they don't have any power anymore. Fortunately, tenacious actions in pursuit of remembrance, truth and justice have been taken by the population of these countries.

One of the greatest Argentine every once said:
“There are some oligarchs that make me want to bite them just as one crunches into a carrot or a radish.” - EVITA PERON

I agree with her.

Fascism is a lot better indeed. *sarcasm*

Fascism is a lot better? Perón and his wife were fascist according to you?


Threlizdun wrote:Does it have to be either great or terrible? Can't the situation be good relative to the region and the history in some ways and bad in others?

Yea, the poll should definitely be changed.

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Ironic that Hugo Chavez hand-picked the very man who would destroy Venezuelan Socialism.


Not that Chavez was any better.

Chavez was 100 times better than Maduro.
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Postby Nerovia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:22 pm

Calimera II wrote:
The Republic of American Freedom wrote:Fascism is a lot better indeed. *sarcasm*

Fascism is a lot better? Perón and his wife were fascist according to you?


Threlizdun wrote:Does it have to be either great or terrible? Can't the situation be good relative to the region and the history in some ways and bad in others?

Yea, the poll should definitely be changed.

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Not that Chavez was any better.

Chavez was 100 times better than Maduro.
That's because Chavez knows about the people of Venezulea well. That's why so many Venezuelans liked him.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:23 pm

Nerovia wrote:
Calimera II wrote:Fascism is a lot better? Perón and his wife were fascist according to you?



Yea, the poll should definitely be changed.


Chavez was 100 times better than Maduro.
That's because Chavez knows about the people of Venezulea well. That's why so many Venezuelans liked him.


So why did he pick a complete dumbfuck to succeed him?
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Postby Kiruri » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:26 pm

The Republic of American Freedom wrote:
Nerovia wrote: And that sadly is what has truly happened. :(

Sadly? I'm glad the Socialists will be removed by a popular revolution, add Cuba's opening up and Socialism will soon be eradicated in South America, or at the very least will lose most of it's power.
highly unlikely to be frank.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:14 pm

Calimera II wrote:
The Republic of American Freedom wrote:Fascism is a lot better indeed. *sarcasm*

Fascism is a lot better? Perón and his wife were fascist according to you?


Threlizdun wrote:Does it have to be either great or terrible? Can't the situation be good relative to the region and the history in some ways and bad in others?

Yea, the poll should definitely be changed.

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Not that Chavez was any better.

Chavez was 100 times better than Maduro.


He, like Maduro, was corrupt, incompetent, and completely economically clueless. But, I suppose he didn't kill any opposition leaders.

He did, however, compare our country to the devil just so he wouldn't hit rock bottom in the semi-legitimate opinion polls.

1/10, would not elect.
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