Explosion in Ankara, Turkey; 95 dead and 177 wounded

[Vistulange]

During a rally for peace in Ankara today, two bombs went off in Ulus, Ankara, near the train station. The dual explosions have killed 95 people and have brought us 177 wounded. It is unclear who the perpetrator is, though it is heavily suspected to have been done by the hand of the state.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34495161
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/10/middl ... index.html

We are currently unable to reach the cousin of a friend who was participating in the rally.

My personal thoughts? This was most likely done by order of the governing AKP, who are desperately trying to cling on to power through violence and fear tactics. The HDP/PKK is highly unlikely to have done this since they have never done something so big before, planting two bombs in the national capital - and they have no reason to kill people for votes. The AKP, for now, will do anything to get the 276 MP's it needs to form a government, because they believe they will all end if they lose the elections. For them, it's all or nothing.

What do you think, NSG?

[Adab]

May the dead rest in peace and the wounded recover. No matter who did this, this was a horrendous, disgusting, and intolerable act.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Allaahum-maghfir lahu Allaahumma thabbithu.
Do we have a cause?

[Mefpan]

Motherfucker.

What the hell. Like, what the hell. I seriously doubt it's the Kurds given that they have far more pressing concerns further south than Turkey, and I'm unsure about the extent the Islamic State would go against Turkey of all nations in the immediate area at present.

...on the other hand, given Erdogan's massive dickery in recent times I wouldn't put it past him to try for a bit of fearmongering and false-flagging in order to establish his own little hereditary presidency. But it's still a bit too early to go for the torches and pitchforks.

[Tsaraine]

Motherfucker.

What the hell. Like, what the hell. I seriously doubt it's the Kurds given that they have far more pressing concerns further south than Turkey, and I'm unsure about the extent the Islamic State would go against Turkey of all nations in the immediate area at present.

...on the other hand, given Erdogan's massive dickery in recent times I wouldn't put it past him to try for a bit of fearmongering and false-flagging in order to establish his own little hereditary presidency. But it's still a bit too early to go for the torches and pitchforks.

It's worth noting that this was a march attended by one of the major Kurdish parties - they're unlikely to bomb their own march.

[Vistulange]

Motherfucker.

What the hell. Like, what the hell. I seriously doubt it's the Kurds given that they have far more pressing concerns further south than Turkey, and I'm unsure about the extent the Islamic State would go against Turkey of all nations in the immediate area at present.

...on the other hand, given Erdogan's massive dickery in recent times I wouldn't put it past him to try for a bit of fearmongering and false-flagging in order to establish his own little hereditary presidency. But it's still a bit too early to go for the torches and pitchforks.

It's worth noting that this was a march attended by one of the major Kurdish parties - they're unlikely to bomb their own march.

Well, it could be argued that they are bombing their own march so they'll be the victims, hence strengthening their votes. However, the HDP has nothing to fear in regards to votes - they are firmly in the 12-14 band in all polls - and so, no reason for them to do such a monstrous attack. While we have no proof, obviously, I believe this was done at Erdoğan's order.

[The Novakian Empire]

It's erdogan or ISIL/ISIS/IS/Whatever the fuck those bastards are called now.

[Islamic Republic of Aceh]

Innalillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun...
My thoughts are with their families....hope God will give them patience to face this.
Honestly, umm...I have some suspicion behind this monstrous attack, that maybe the ISIS who doing this, I guess. It was similar to their action in mosques in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait before, remember ?.
I thought the Kurds maybe are too distracted to helping their Syrian companions against ISIS rather than bombing a rally in the capital. Beside, its their own people, isn't ?.
I dunno about Erdogan, maybe he can be suspected, but who knows ?

[Val Halla]

Ugh, people suck ._.

[Esgonia]

My guess is that ISIL's the perpetrator, I mean, why would Kurds want to bomb their own people?

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Motherfucker.

What the hell. Like, what the hell. I seriously doubt it's the Kurds given that they have far more pressing concerns further south than Turkey, and I'm unsure about the extent the Islamic State would go against Turkey of all nations in the immediate area at present.

...on the other hand, given Erdogan's massive dickery in recent times I wouldn't put it past him to try for a bit of fearmongering and false-flagging in order to establish his own little hereditary presidency. But it's still a bit too early to go for the torches and pitchforks.

It's worth noting that this was a march attended by one of the major Kurdish parties - they're unlikely to bomb their own march.

That's what they want you to think. *puts on tinfoil hat*

[Mehrabad]

It's worth noting that this was a march attended by one of the major Kurdish parties - they're unlikely to bomb their own march.

That's what they want you to think. *puts on tinfoil hat*

I suspect the perps to be Turkish Fascists ("Grey Wolves") or ISIS members.

[Vistulange]

That's what they want you to think. *puts on tinfoil hat*

I suspect the perps to be Turkish Fascists ("Grey Wolves") or ISIS members.

The Grey Wolves are not what they used to be before 12 September 1980. Nowadays, they are more like high school gangs which people join to look cool. I'm being quite literal. The MHP is not responsible for this attack. They feed off of the dead and off of blood, but they would not do such things. Yet.

ISIS is also a distant possibility. ISIS has more to worry about then the passive government of Turkey. Russia is more of a concern for them.

[Cinnabarra]

If the party in power did this, why was it so brutal? Erdogan did try to block demonstrations by the past but this one wasn't exceptional.Why not use the usual police-and-baton tactics? Bombing their own capital city seems fishy to me.If they are the ones behind this, well, that's just plain stupid because they're probably the first ones that the people will blame.

[Vistulange]

If the party in power did this, why was it so brutal? Erdogan did try to block demonstrations by the past but this one wasn't exceptional.Why not use the usual police-and-baton tactics? Bombing their own capital city seems fishy to me.If they are the ones behind this, well, that's just plain stupid because they're probably the first ones that the people will blame.

The AKP government and Erdoğan are in a panic. They fear that if they lose power, they will be tried and punished. To this end, they are doing everything in order to prevent the HDP from crossing the threshold and trying to win 276 seats.

This is not the same as suppressing demonstrations, by the way. Demonstrations are suppressed by police and are overt, whereas this bombing was conducted by unknown people for unknown reasons. If Erdoğan wanted to be obvious about this, he would have said that the march was illegal and then put police forces against the demonstrators.

Many senior officials of the AKP have said things like "that's what happens if you don't give [us] 400 [MP's]" and "you need us for stability" shortly after Suruç. This is merely a reflection of their words.

[Resentful Commies]

Erdogan is now certifiably the worst leader in the world. Putin's too full of himself, Kim's too weak, and Bashar is an ugly ass. Erdogan, is a leech, trying to cling to power even though the people want him out. Somehow he still hasn't been shot. Surprises me, as a bunch of people hate him.

[Vistulange]

Aaaaand the follow-ups, as expected, by the AKP.

Forest and Water Affairs Minister Veysel Eroğlu said: "We saw such things before the June elections in Diyarbakır. They committed such provocations so they could cross the threshold", directly accusing the HDP of both this attack and the one in Diyarbakır just a day or two before the June elections. Of course, he has no proof.

The Ministers of Health, Internal Affairs and Justice went to the site of the explosion. They were heckled and plastic bottles were thrown at them. Once reaction to their presence grew, the Ministers fled the area with their vehicles.

[Western Turkistan]

Believe me, this is not Isis.It is Either Pkk or the state..
Too dirty...

[Vistulange]

Believe me, this is not Isis.It is Either Pkk or the state..
Too dirty...

Why would the PKK bomb the a demonstration in which the HDP was in? The HDP is firmly over the threshold - they don't need to play the victims.

[New Werpland]

Do people believe it's the PKK?

[Vistulange]

Do people believe it's the PKK?

No. To be precise, nobody believes it's the PKK.

Everybody is blaming the government and Erdoğan for a reason.

[Vassenor]

So the government knows exactly who did it long before anyone even tried to claim responsibility.

If they knew all that why would they do nothing to stop it? Just doesn't add up for me.

[The Serbian Empire]

I bet on Erdogan false flag. Remove Erdogan from power!

Erdogan is now certifiably the worst leader in the world. Putin's too full of himself, Kim's too weak, and Bashar is an ugly ass. Erdogan, is a leech, trying to cling to power even though the people want him out. Somehow he still hasn't been shot. Surprises me, as a bunch of people hate him.

It has to do with Turkish gun laws, I bet. Hard to get a gun and the security around Erdogan is tight.

[Vistulange]

I bet on Erdogan false flag. Remove Erdogan from power!

Erdogan is now certifiably the worst leader in the world. Putin's too full of himself, Kim's too weak, and Bashar is an ugly ass. Erdogan, is a leech, trying to cling to power even though the people want him out. Somehow he still hasn't been shot. Surprises me, as a bunch of people hate him.

It has to do with Turkish gun laws, I bet. Hard to get a gun and the security around Erdogan is tight.

Hard to get a gun? In Turkey? Hah!

For God's sake, there're two guns per man in the Black Sea region. News such as bank robbers being neutralized by the ordinary citizens in the banks doesn't appear for no reason.

[Zorbae]

It's almost certainly Erdogan. Prick. Kinda hard to believe he'd do something like that, but I doubt it was anyone else.