Trump/Sanders '16?

[HMS Vanguard]

I have been trying to follow the US presidential election. I have the impression that Bernard Sanders is the far left candidate, and Donald Trump the far right candidate. However, looking at their positions these two candidates seem to have essentially the same platform. They both -

1. oppose free trade
2. want to raise taxes on the rich
3. think the Iraq War was a mistake and oppose further interventions
4. oppose immigration

The main difference between them is the spin they're putting on these issues. Sanders emphasises wage depression effects of immigration while Trump emphasises crime. Sanders emphasises Iraqi casualties while Trump emphasises US loss of prestige. Etc.

Given that these candidates are so compatible, but appeal to different voter bases, the obvious move is for them to join and form a single third party ticket. In principle, if they both secure the nominations of their respective parties, they could simply form an electoral pact before the election whereby whoever wins agrees to appoint the other VP, obviating the need for an election entirely, but a third party ticket is more likely. This ticket has a good chance of winning a plurality against the Democrats and the Republicans, possibly destroying the party system as it currently exists. I put Trump first because he has more presence and is a better showman, as well as more executive experience, but the primacy is not the important point.

What do you think? Would you vote for a Trump/Sanders ticket?

[Allentyr]

Are you high?

Trump is a crazed lunatic who WANTS to go back to the Middle East to grab oil.

[Luxdonia]

And Sanders isn't a far left winger. He just seems so as American politics is so far to the right anyway.

In the normal scope of things, Trump appears to be a moderate conservative but he definitely isn't a far right winger.

[Atomic Utopia]

Are you high?

Trump is a crazed lunatic who WANTS to go back to the Middle East to grab oil.

And bernie is a crazed loon who wants to ruin the economy with inane economic policies.

But thry do seem to agree that they loce coal and don't give a darn about global warming.

I think this is horseshoe theory at work.

EDIT:
Just realized that I was wrong, sanders is not that left wing. It is more like foolishness at work. Both are the worst possible candidates that could be nominated if they want to win.

[Allentyr]

Are you high?

Trump is a crazed lunatic who WANTS to go back to the Middle East to grab oil.

And bernie is a crazed loon who wants to ruin the economy with inane economic policies.

But thry do seem to agree that they loce coal and don't give a darn about global warming.

I think this is horseshoe theory at work.

Despite it all, I'd rather have Sanders than Trump. The former isn't a deranged madman who wants to deport a metric shitton of his own people because they're "durty meksicans".

[Internationalist Bastard]

Politicians blowing smoke out their ass. It must be Tuesday already

[HMS Vanguard]

And bernie is a crazed loon who wants to ruin the economy with inane economic policies.

But thry do seem to agree that they loce coal and don't give a darn about global warming.

I think this is horseshoe theory at work.

Despite it all, I'd rather have Sanders than Trump. The former isn't a deranged madman who wants to deport a metric shitton of his own people because they're "durty meksicans".

But he is. He opposes open immigration on grounds that it would lower wages: https://berniesanders.com/open-borders- ... -solution/

What he proposes is to legalise those who are in the US already, and then impose large minimum wages so that the black market jobs they do disappear:

Authorize and substantially increase funding for the Legal Services Corporation to provide legal representation to guest workers who have been abused by their employers. Further, employers should be required to reimburse guest workers for housing, transportation expenses and workers’ compensation.

Substantially increase prevailing wages that employers are required to pay temporary guest workers. If there is a true labor shortage, employers should be offering higher, not lower wages.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/fair-a ... on-policy/

This will result in something called "self-deportation".

[The Romulan Republic]

I have been trying to follow the US presidential election. I have the impression that Bernard Sanders is the far left candidate, and Donald Trump the far right candidate. However, looking at their positions these two candidates seem to have essentially the same platform. They both -

1. oppose free trade
2. want to raise taxes on the rich
3. think the Iraq War was a mistake and oppose further interventions
4. oppose immigration

The main difference between them is the spin they're putting on these issues. Sanders emphasises wage depression effects of immigration while Trump emphasises crime. Sanders emphasises Iraqi casualties while Trump emphasises US loss of prestige. Etc.

Given that these candidates are so compatible, but appeal to different voter bases, the obvious move is for them to join and form a single third party ticket. In principle, if they both secure the nominations of their respective parties, they could simply form an electoral pact before the election whereby whoever wins agrees to appoint the other VP, obviating the need for an election entirely, but a third party ticket is more likely. This ticket has a good chance of winning a plurality against the Democrats and the Republicans, possibly destroying the party system as it currently exists. I put Trump first because he has more presence and is a better showman, as well as more executive experience, but the primacy is not the important point.

What do you think? Would you vote for a Trump/Sanders ticket?

No, I wouldn't. I despise Trump, and running with him would be a betrayal by Bernie Sanders of his principles and his supporters.

As for similarities between them, while I can't say that their are none, I do think you are overstating them.

First, differences in focus on issues matter.

Secondly, Sanders' main focus is attacking the wealth and power of the richest in America- which includes Donald Trump. Trump is pretty much the embodiment of what Sanders is fighting against.

Thirdly, while Trump may have opposed the invasion of Iraq (I honestly don't know), I believe I have heard him supporting intervention against ISIS, though I could be wrong. Maybe he's flip-flopped on it.

I'm not actually sure where Sanders stands on the issue of fighting ISIS, though I have read that he is generally against Middle Eastern intervention.

Also, on immigration, its been in the news that Trump supports deporting millions of people, including children of immigrants born in this country (who are American citizens). Sanders, having some acquaintance with sanity, does not.

Finally, they're running for two separate parties, and since they both stand a fair chance at getting their party's nomination, I doubt they would drop that to run for another party or as independents. And as for one winning the nomination and then picking the other for Vice President, that would enrage both men's supporters (indeed, any scenario where they ran together would). While I don't know if their's a way to retract a nomination once given, I'm honestly not even sure if it would be permitted or not.

And the fact that you include the phrase "...obviating the need for an election entirely...", as if that would be a good thing, simply means you're an authoritarian who wants the Presidency determined in a deal between two men rather than by the will of the voters.

Also, getting rid of the party system is a pipe dream. Change the parties, sure. Change the number of parties, sure. But get rid of parties altogether? Not happening any time soon.

[Allentyr]

Despite it all, I'd rather have Sanders than Trump. The former isn't a deranged madman who wants to deport a metric shitton of his own people because they're "durty meksicans".

But he is. He opposes open immigration on grounds that it would lower wages: https://berniesanders.com/open-borders- ... -solution/

What he proposes is to legalise those who are in the US already, and then impose large minimum wages so that the black market jobs they do disappear:

Authorize and substantially increase funding for the Legal Services Corporation to provide legal representation to guest workers who have been abused by their employers. Further, employers should be required to reimburse guest workers for housing, transportation expenses and workers’ compensation.

Substantially increase prevailing wages that employers are required to pay temporary guest workers. If there is a true labor shortage, employers should be offering higher, not lower wages.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/fair-a ... on-policy/

This will result in something called "self-deportation".

And how is this in any way similar to just blindly deporting millions on the grounds of race again?

[HMS Vanguard]

But he is. He opposes open immigration on grounds that it would lower wages: https://berniesanders.com/open-borders- ... -solution/

What he proposes is to legalise those who are in the US already, and then impose large minimum wages so that the black market jobs they do disappear:


https://berniesanders.com/issues/fair-a ... on-policy/

This will result in something called "self-deportation".

And how is this in any way similar to just blindly deporting millions on the grounds of race again?

Both policies target legal status, not race. Illegal immigrants can undercut native workers because they are already breaking the law by being in the country, so they have nothing more to lose, and no standing to claim any rights they're in principle entitled to.

[Cankristia]

Bernie Sanders opposes guest worker programs, because they allow corporations to pay immigrants less, AND allow immigrants to take their money and leave when they so please, effectively stealing from the economy and undercutting unions.

Trump, on the other hand, wants to build a wall, and believes most Mexicans are criminals.

Sanders wants to pay for public tuition in colleges so that everyone has an opportunity to succeed.

Trump couldn't care less.

Sanders wants to raise revenue by closing corporate loopholes and making corporations pay us back for the privilege of being bailed out by the United States government.

Trump wants to tax hedge funds.

Sanders has been fighting for LGBTQA + rights for years.

Trump is ambivalent at best.

Sanders wants to create a single payer healthcare system.

Trump is opposed to it.

Sanders opposed foreign intervention.

Trump wants to take oil by force.

Seeing all these differences, Sanders is my candidate, through and through.

[Eol Sha]

Bernie Sanders doesn't oppose immigration.

[Deuxtete]

I have been trying to follow the US presidential election. I have the impression that Bernard Sanders is the far left candidate, and Donald Trump the far right candidate. However, looking at their positions these two candidates seem to have essentially the same platform. They both -

1. oppose free trade
2. want to raise taxes on the rich
3. think the Iraq War was a mistake and oppose further interventions
4. oppose immigration

The main difference between them is the spin they're putting on these issues. Sanders emphasises wage depression effects of immigration while Trump emphasises crime. Sanders emphasises Iraqi casualties while Trump emphasises US loss of prestige. Etc.

Given that these candidates are so compatible, but appeal to different voter bases, the obvious move is for them to join and form a single third party ticket. In principle, if they both secure the nominations of their respective parties, they could simply form an electoral pact before the election whereby whoever wins agrees to appoint the other VP, obviating the need for an election entirely, but a third party ticket is more likely. This ticket has a good chance of winning a plurality against the Democrats and the Republicans, possibly destroying the party system as it currently exists. I put Trump first because he has more presence and is a better showman, as well as more executive experience, but the primacy is not the important point.

What do you think? Would you vote for a Trump/Sanders ticket?

Your accurate assessment will be met with intense hostlity by people drunk on partisan wine.
Welcome American politics.
Two wings, same bird, don't fly.

[Daburuetchi]

A cursory glance of this site pretty much confirms that Trump and Sanders arnt on the same page in terms of policy making. http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

[Crimiea]

Bernie Sanders is Center-Left. The United States is too right wing of a country that anything remotely hinting at secularism or infrastructure is seen as Totalitarianism. Sanders is a Capitalist that believes in higher taxes and single payer healthcare (Capitalism with a toddler's leash). Socialists would advocate for the abolition of private property. Sanders is at most a Social Democrat (think of Germany).

Donald Trump supports the idea of single payer healthcare, he is simply ignoring his past stances in hopes of getting votes from people who are looking for a scapegoat for their problems. The sad thing is that many of his supporters do not research him but simply hop on board because they hate Mexicans and wanting to build an expensive wall despite being fiscally 'conservative'. While both have different solutions to a problem that is similar, they're both different candidates with support of different voting bases.

American politics will be decided by people who can't tell the difference between Liberal Progressives and Anarcho-Socialists, or Libertarians* and Tea Party Theocrats to save their lives. I am honestly frightened.

*If you are against the idea that gay Muslim spouses should have the right to defend their marijuana gardens with assault rifles and their sisters using contraceptives in a country where taxes are small or unheard of, you're probably not a libertarian.

[Confederate Ramenia]

I honestly wish a fusion of Trump and Sanders would run. But not both of them on the same ticket.

[Geilinor]

Despite it all, I'd rather have Sanders than Trump. The former isn't a deranged madman who wants to deport a metric shitton of his own people because they're "durty meksicans".

But he is. He opposes open immigration on grounds that it would lower wages: https://berniesanders.com/open-borders- ... -solution/

What he proposes is to legalise those who are in the US already, and then impose large minimum wages so that the black market jobs they do disappear:

Authorize and substantially increase funding for the Legal Services Corporation to provide legal representation to guest workers who have been abused by their employers. Further, employers should be required to reimburse guest workers for housing, transportation expenses and workers’ compensation.

Substantially increase prevailing wages that employers are required to pay temporary guest workers. If there is a true labor shortage, employers should be offering higher, not lower wages.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/fair-a ... on-policy/

This will result in something called "self-deportation".

That's interesting, Sanders doesn't really talk about documented/legal immigration.

[Confederate Ramenia]

But he is. He opposes open immigration on grounds that it would lower wages: https://berniesanders.com/open-borders- ... -solution/

What he proposes is to legalise those who are in the US already, and then impose large minimum wages so that the black market jobs they do disappear:


https://berniesanders.com/issues/fair-a ... on-policy/

This will result in something called "self-deportation".

That's interesting, Sanders doesn't really talk about documented/legal immigration.

He's running for President. He doesn't want to alienate Democrats who support open borders.

[Uxupox]

Who's gonna be the the Commander-in-Chief and who is gonna be VP? Is it Trump/Sanders or Sanders/Trump?

[Geilinor]

Who's gonna be the the Commander-in-Chief and who is gonna be VP? Is it Trump/Sanders or Sanders/Trump?

I don't know. I'd take Sanders as president over Trump any day, but Sanders is, as we know, old. He's in good health now, but I'd take as few chances as possible with Trump as VP.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Trump, you have to understand, doesn't actually have any policies, he is just saying things to stirr the pot, and hopefully get into the White House. He just says things that he think will appeal to his core demographic, maintain an image of combatative and strong, and disguise his lack of, well, anything, with controversy after controversy, in the hopes that they will make him appear more the gruff, plain speaking, filterless type, with no concern for bad publicity (though he courts any publicity), and make people pay less attention to his actual campaign.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Trump and Sanders agree as much as Bill Maher and Bill O'Reily.

[Benuty]

Trump and Sanders agree as much as Bill Maher and Bill O'Reily.

Which is to say quite a lot in terms of a minimalist perspective.

After all both take dim views on how much less the rich are taxed.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Trump and Sanders would rather fight to the death with huge dildo swords then be on the same ticket. And I think I would prefer to see the fight more.

[Socialist Tera]

They are the antithesis of each other.