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Sweden to become a third-world country by 2030

Postby Kravanica » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:07 am

No, seriously.

For the full UN report, see here.

According to UN projections, Sweden will be a much poorer country by 2030, much worse than what anyone in the Swedish government indicates.

The UN report HDI (Human Development Index) predicts a significant decrease in Swedish prosperity, unlike their Nordic neighbors, who will retain their top positions and even strengthen them globally in the long run.

In 2010 Sweden had the 15th place in the HDI rankings but according to UN forecasts, Sweden will be #25 in 2015, and in 2030 on the 45th place.

Sweden is one of few countries with such a sharp deterioration from what it had in 2010.

Finland demonstrates one of the world's best school systems, while the Swedish school have lost competitiveness.

Fewer ends up on welfare dependency in their Nordic neighboring countries while Sweden continues to have a greater amount of family households forced to live on welfare, which are a couple factors causing the dropped global competitiveness.

Negative developments, or rather liquidations can be exemplified by Orrefors Kosta Boda, which in 1992 had 940 employees in Sweden and was a profitable industry. Today less than 100 remain in the company after further cost reductions and adaptations in order to meet global competition.

Most of today's less developed countries such as Cuba, Mexico, the Baltic countries and Bulgaria according to the 2030 UN report will be passing Sweden in prosperity.

Even Greece, which today is more or less bankrupt, but will be on 13th place by 2030.

Sweden's leftist establishment and media believe a cornerstone of their perfect society is multiculturalism: large scale immigration from some of the poorest, most backward nations on earth. Swedes who disagree with that plan risk being labeled racist, fascist, even Nazi.

"We had a perfectly good country," Ingrid Carlqvist, a journalist said. "A rich country, a nice country, and in a few years' time, that country will be gone."

Here is the UN report:

2010–2030 UN projections of Very High HDIs

Since opening its doors to virtually unchecked immigration, Sweden is due to sharply decline in terms of HDI development. A truly sad site to see for a country that was virtually rich and prosperous. But in true left-wing fashion, Sweden seems hellbent on becoming as "culturally enriched" as people. Denizens of NSG, how would you propose to solve this? Should Sweden reverse its policies and shut its doors? I see that as the only solution.

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Postby Alyakia » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:08 am

prove this is related to immigration
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Postby Benuty » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:09 am

I miss the days when third world was used to refer to those not in the US or Soviet aligned blocs.

Not this classist nonsense.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:10 am

Wow. I am speechless. As someone who has lived, and was born in a third world country, I always thought Sweden was pretty good, like the other Nordic countries.

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Postby PLESSUR » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:11 am

This is particularly fascinating considering that Sweden has previously been referred to as "the most successful society ever to exist on earth". What would you say is the main cause behind this?
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Postby Rock Lobsters » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:11 am

Benuty wrote:I miss the days when third world was used to refer to those not in the US or Soviet aligned blocs.

Not this classist nonsense.

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Postby Huda » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:13 am

Interesting... rather interesting.

Why has this happened?

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Postby Kravanica » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:14 am

Alyakia wrote:prove this is related to immigration

Fewer ends up on welfare dependency in their Nordic neighboring countries while Sweden continues to have a greater amount of family households forced to live on welfare, which are a couple factors causing the dropped global competitiveness.

Unchecked immigration from some of the poorest countries on Earth is bad, son.
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Postby PLESSUR » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:15 am

If this is true and it happens, will it precipitate into the worldwide end of the welfare state as we know it?
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Postby PFQ Recruiting Office » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:15 am

I live in Sweden and to me, stuff around me hasn't really changed. Maybe I haven't noticed them yet, or because I never cared about them.
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Postby Kaitjan » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:15 am

As a man that has spent much of his life in Sweden, I can say that this sounds about right. Immigration has skyrocketed. Around 20-25% of the population is born abroad (Europe included, however, but no actual Swedes born abroad). At least according to the immigration ministry (Migrationsverket).

Malmö and Göteborg (Gothenburg), two of the three largest cities in the country are quickly going down the drain. And they have a huge influx of foreigners, especially Malmö. Considering that it takes aound 8 years for the average immigrant to get a job, it is not a surprise that things are going south.
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Postby Kaitjan » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:16 am

Huda wrote:Interesting... rather interesting.

Why has this happened?


Completely irresponsible immigration policies, mate.
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Postby Alyakia » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:16 am

Kravanica wrote:
Alyakia wrote:prove this is related to immigration

Fewer ends up on welfare dependency in their Nordic neighboring countries while Sweden continues to have a greater amount of family households forced to live on welfare, which are a couple factors causing the dropped global competitiveness.

Unchecked immigration from some of the poorest countries on Earth is bad, son.


that's it? seriously? what about the company that lost like 90% of its employees? i assume they got other jobs or went on welfare if they couldn't. but obviously it's the immigrants because you've totally not already reached that conclusion years before this report even came out, right?
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Postby Hastiaka » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:17 am

Benuty wrote:I miss the days when third world was used to refer to those not in the US or Soviet aligned blocs.

Not this classist nonsense.


this.

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Postby Kravanica » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:18 am

Alyakia wrote:
Kravanica wrote:
Unchecked immigration from some of the poorest countries on Earth is bad, son.


that's it? seriously? what about the company that lost like 90% of its employees? i assume they got other jobs or went on welfare if they couldn't. but obviously it's the immigrants because you've totally not already reached that conclusion years before this report even came out, right?

No, I didn't actually. Nor did I say that it was the only factor, Alylyakia. Stop strawmanning.

>inb4 "ur raycist"
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Postby PFQ Recruiting Office » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:18 am

Kaitjan wrote:As a man that has spent much of his life in Sweden, I can say that this sounds about right. Immigration has skyrocketed. Around 20-25% of the population is born abroad (Europe included, however, but no actual Swedes born abroad). At least according to the immigration ministry (Migrationsverket).

Malmö and Göteborg (Gothenburg), two of the three largest cities in the country are quickly going down the drain. And they have a huge influx of foreigners, especially Malmö. Considering that it takes aound 8 years for the average immigrant to get a job, it is not a surprise that things are going south.

Mainly because the fact that it takes them time to get enough knowledge in order to be accepted in one. I mean, most of us immigrants come from poor countries where a few got jobs. You can't really blame us. :p
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Postby Planita » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:19 am

It should adopt a more conservative immigration policy.

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Postby Kaitjan » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:19 am

Alyakia wrote:
Kravanica wrote:
Unchecked immigration from some of the poorest countries on Earth is bad, son.


that's it? seriously? what about the company that lost like 90% of its employees? i assume they got other jobs or went on welfare if they couldn't. but obviously it's the immigrants because you've totally not already reached that conclusion years before this report even came out, right?


Migrants are a part of it. Another reason is that Swedish industry has failed to adapt to the global market and the state has sold out many government owned enterprises to private actors. Kockums, for example, still exists but is much smaller than it once was due to various cuts. But migrants which fail to integrate (or do simply not want to) cost a lot of money, which strains the national budget. That in turn reflects on the quality of state and communal healthcare and education. I would say that the privatization in general has been a major contributer to the downfall in Swedish economy.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:20 am

The phrase "third world" does not seem to appear in that UN report.
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Postby Alyakia » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:21 am

Kravanica wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
that's it? seriously? what about the company that lost like 90% of its employees? i assume they got other jobs or went on welfare if they couldn't. but obviously it's the immigrants because you've totally not already reached that conclusion years before this report even came out, right?

No, I didn't actually. Nor did I say that it was the only factor, Alylyakia. Stop strawmanning.

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both of your posts in this thread have gone on about immigration. it's evidently the only factor you care about. feel free to tell us about the other causes. if you want to make an immigration thread do it and don't hide behind this.

>he's so desperate to get called a racist so he can pretend he's oppressed by the lefty SJWs he's already trying to nail himself to the cross pre-emptively
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Postby United States of Conner » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:22 am

Alyakia wrote:prove this is related to immigration

Prove it even will happen.
Benuty wrote:I miss the days when third world was used to refer to those not in the US or Soviet aligned blocs.

Not this classist nonsense.

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Alyakia wrote:prove this is related to immigration

Fewer ends up on welfare dependency in their Nordic neighboring countries while Sweden continues to have a greater amount of family households forced to live on welfare, which are a couple factors causing the dropped global competitiveness.

Unchecked immigration from some of the poorest countries on Earth is bad, son.

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Kaitjan wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
that's it? seriously? what about the company that lost like 90% of its employees? i assume they got other jobs or went on welfare if they couldn't. but obviously it's the immigrants because you've totally not already reached that conclusion years before this report even came out, right?


Migrants are a part of it. Another reason is that Swedish industry has failed to adapt to the global market and the state has sold out many government owned enterprises to private actors. Kockums, for example, still exists but is much smaller than it once was due to various cuts. But migrants which fail to integrate (or do simply not want to) cost a lot of money, which strains the national budget. That in turn reflects on the quality of state and communal healthcare and education. I would say that the privatization in general has been a major contributer to the downfall in Swedish economy.

What about that company that lost 90% of it's employers? Who's gonna replace them all?
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:23 am

The forecast is nonsense. It's a 2010 rapport, predicting that Sweden would be the world's 25th nation in HDI in 2015. This prediction is well off. In fact, Sweden has only gone down one place in the HDI since 2010. Adjusted for societal inequality, Sweden is the third nation in the world when measuring IHDI. Not a third world nation, but the third nation in the world. The forecast is outdated.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:23 am

Alyakia wrote:
Kravanica wrote:
Unchecked immigration from some of the poorest countries on Earth is bad, son.


that's it? seriously? what about the company that lost like 90% of its employees? i assume they got other jobs or went on welfare if they couldn't. but obviously it's the immigrants because you've totally not already reached that conclusion years before this report even came out, right?


Well, to be fair, Sweden doesn't have a particularly large labor-intensive industrial or agricultural base looking for cheap labor (like, say, The United States), and if the immigrates are coming in as Kaitjan claims it's not unrealistic that the economy woulden't be able to absorb such an influx of unskilled labor. Immigrants aren't bad on their face, but if there aren't enough jobs for the skill level they're coming in at then putting them on a welfare program until they're qualified can be a drain on the country's resources.
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Postby Interzone Inc » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:23 am

This report simply isn't plausible. As well as having Sweden falling out of the developed world, it has Greece overtaking places like Switzerland and the US in terms of human development.

Its yet another example of economists using mathematical models to reach asinine conclusions.

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