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Lawsuit Against Primary School For Punishing Atheist Student

Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:04 pm

Forced to sit alone during lunch for three days for telling another child that he didn't go to church or believe in God in response to question.

The allegations from the Complaint, which claims the teacher’s actions violated the child’s First Amendment rights:

1. In February of 2015, A.B. was a second grader at Forest Park Elementary School, a school that is within Fort Wayne Community Schools. During a discussion with classmates on the playground he responded to a question by indicating that he did not go to church because he did not believe in God. This resulted in his teacher interrogating the child as to his beliefs and requiring the child to sit by himself during lunch and not talk to his classmates during lunch for three days. This violates the First Amendment. The defendant’s actions caused great distress to A.B. and resulted in the child being ostracized by his peers past the three-day “banishment.” No meaningful attempt has been made to remedy these injuries and the child seeks his damages. . . .

7. In February of 2015, A.B. was a second-grade student at Forest Park Elementary School. . . .

9. On or about February 23, 2015, A.B. and his classmates were on the playground during the school day immediately before lunch when A.B. was asked by one of his classmates if he attended church.

10. A.B. responded by stating that he did not go to church and did not believe in God. He also stated that it was fine with him if his inquiring classmate believed in God.

11. The classmate said that A.B. had hurt her feelings by saying that he did not believe in God and started to cry.

12. A playground supervisor reported to [A.B.’s teacher] what had happened.

13. At that point the students were going to lunch and [the teacher] asked A.B. if he had told the girl that he did not believe in God and A.B. said he had and asked what he had done wrong.

14. [The teacher] asked A.B. if he went to church, whether his family went to church, and whether his mother knew how he felt about God.

15. She also asked A.B. if he believed that maybe God exists.

16. [The teacher] told A.B. that she was very concerned about what he had done and that she was going to contact his mother — although she never did.

17. This was very upsetting to A.B. as he was made to feel that he had done something wrong.

18. A day or two after the initial incident, A.B. and his fellow-student who had become upset with his comment on the playground were sent to another adult employed at Forest Park Elementary School.

19. This person asked them what the problem was and A.B. indicated that his classmate had become upset when, in response to her question, he had said he did not go to church and did not believe in God.

20. Upon hearing this, the adult employee looked at A.B.’s classmate and stated that she should not be worried and should be happy she has faith and that she should not listen to A.B.’s bad ideas. She then patted the little girl’s hand.

21. This was, again, extremely upsetting to A.B. as it reinforced his feeling that he had done something very wrong.

22. On the day of the incident and for an additional two days thereafter, [the teacher] required that A.B. sit by himself during lunch and told him he should not talk to the other students and stated that this was because he had offended them. This served to reinforce A.B.’s feeling that he had committed some transgression that justified his exclusion.

23. When V.S. was told by A.B. what had happened she called the Assistant Principal of the school and demanded an explanation.

24. The Assistant Principal set up a three-way telephone conversation with V.S., [the teacher] and himself.

25. [The teacher] confirmed her involvement in this matter as noted above.

26. V.S. demanded that the school not isolate her son or punish him for his beliefs.

27. After three days A.B. was allowed to join his classmates for lunch and all sanctions and restrictions were lifted.

28. After this three-day period, and after V.S. complained, A.B. was told by [the teacher] and other teachers that he could believe what he wants.

29. But this was after A.B. had been publicly separated from his classmates and informed that he could not speak to them. All the students in his class heard and were aware of this. He was publicly shamed and made to feel that his personal beliefs were terribly wrong.

30. No efforts were made to correct the damages that had been done.

31. A.B. came home from school on multiple occasions crying saying that he knows that everyone at school — teachers and students — hate him.

32. Even now there are some classmates who will not talk to A.B.

33. Even now A.B. remains anxious and fearful about school, which is completely contrary to how he felt before this incident.

34. At all times defendant acted, and refused to act, under color of state law.

The school district released a statement saying, “It is clear that it is not the province of a public school to advance or inhibit religious beliefs or practices. Under the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution, this remains the inviolate province of the individual and the church of his/her choice. The rights of any minority, no matter how small, must be protected.” So far, the court hasn’t decided any substantive matters in the case, but it did issue a decision last Tuesday allowing the child’s mother (as the child’s legal guardian) to proceed anonymously, so as to preserve the child’s anonymity to the extent possible:

A.B. is a young child and this suit involves religion and public schools-a topic that “has a tendency to inflame unreasonably some individuals” in most communities, including Fort Wayne. Accordingly, at this time, the Court finds that the risk to A.B.’s health and safety, if his mother is identified by name, outweighs the public’s interest in judicial openness and overcomes the presumption against anonymous litigation.

The complaint was filed by the ACLU of Indiana.


Well, here's about as blatant a violation of separation of church and state as I've seen north of the Mason-Dixon line in quite some time. This was a perfect opportunity for the young girl who asked the question to be told that different people have different beliefs, and to learn a gentle, non-aggressive, non-punitive lesson in respecting diversity of belief in the public sphere. Instead, the young atheist was made to feel that he had done something wrong in giving an honest and respectful answer to a question, a feeling validated by another adult at the school. I'm not sure that the damages awarded should be that great, but they should be enough to convince the school to set up some sort of training seminar for their faculty and staff to ensure that they never have to deal with this again.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:05 pm

This is ridiculous. There is no requirement that students go to church.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:06 pm

Geilinor wrote:This is ridiculous. There is no requirement that students go to church.


It wasn't that he didn't go to church. It was that he upset the other child by telling her that he didn't go to church. Equally ridiculous, I know.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:10 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Geilinor wrote:This is ridiculous. There is no requirement that students go to church.


It wasn't that he didn't go to church. It was that he upset the other child by telling her that he didn't go to church. Equally ridiculous, I know.

Odd, but that happens when parents indoctrinate their children to such an extent that they cry when realizing everyone doesn't believe in God.
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Postby Rhodevus » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:10 pm

What is wrong with some schools!? Why can't they just keep school and actual learning separate from religion. That punishment is also extremely cruel to force on a kid
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:11 pm

Sounds like the teacher should be stripped of their credentials, or at least made to pay a heavy fine.
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:12 pm

I don't think the school should've punished the student. He has a right to say what he wants, especially if it's a factual statement about his own personal beliefs. But I don't exactly think the parents should win the lawsuit, either.
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Postby Ron Paul and Chums » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:13 pm

Now, listen here. Everyone should have right to their religion, it shouldn't be forced on other people, especially not kids. This is disturbing.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:13 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:But I don't exactly think the parents should win the lawsuit, either.

Why? The school admitted to violating the child's rights and pointlessly harassing him, so why should the school get off?
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:15 pm

Punishing child for expressing that they dont believe in god is frankly very disturbing... Hopefully school faces a heavy fine and teacher faces disciplinary actions.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:17 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:I don't think the school should've punished the student. He has a right to say what he wants, especially if it's a factual statement about his own personal beliefs. But I don't exactly think the parents should win the lawsuit, either.

Why shouldn't they win if they're in the right?
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:18 pm

This shit is saddening. Assholes with massive inferiority complexes feeling the need to take their anger out on children. Just wonderful.

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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:30 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Confederate Ramenia wrote:But I don't exactly think the parents should win the lawsuit, either.

Why? The school admitted to violating the child's rights and pointlessly harassing him, so why should the school get off?

Shit, you're right. The school, or that teacher at least, shouldn't get away with this. Maybe they shouldn't pay a huge fine to the kid's family, but something needs to be done.
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Confederate Ramenia wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Why? The school admitted to violating the child's rights and pointlessly harassing him, so why should the school get off?

Shit, you're right. The school, or that teacher at least, shouldn't get away with this. Maybe they shouldn't pay a huge fine to the kid's family, but something needs to be done.


They should pay enough to make them take it seriously.

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Confederate Ramenia wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Why? The school admitted to violating the child's rights and pointlessly harassing him, so why should the school get off?

Shit, you're right. The school, or that teacher at least, shouldn't get away with this. Maybe they shouldn't pay a huge fine to the kid's family, but something needs to be done.


I think that all they should need to do is apologize publicly and actually try and teach the kids about other religions and lack thereof
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Postby Talvezout » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:32 pm

Welp.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:33 pm

Holy shit, how much more stupid shit will I read about today?

This is just disgusting.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Holy shit, how much more stupid shit will I read about today?


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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:40 pm

Rhodevus wrote:
Confederate Ramenia wrote:Shit, you're right. The school, or that teacher at least, shouldn't get away with this. Maybe they shouldn't pay a huge fine to the kid's family, but something needs to be done.


I think that all they should need to do is apologize publicly and actually try and teach the kids about other religions and lack thereof

This is probably the best solution. There's a problem if people cry because others disagree with them. It educates kids and fights lawsuit culture and profiting from persecution.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:40 pm

This is very disturbing. I'm a Christian myself, but I believe that it is wrong to punish people for not following your beliefs.

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Postby AlezSalmond » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:44 pm

That's disturbing. I could understand calling the police on the parents of the religious student as they are most likely forced to go to church, which is a violation of their rights, but punishing a child for not being religious? Send the idiots that run that place to go join their genocidal buddies in the CAR

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Postby Utceforp » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:45 pm

I don't really know what else to say that hasn't already been said. This is dumb, the teacher is dumb, the other employee is dumb, and if they try to defend the teacher, the school is dumb. Also, the other classmate that A.B. talked to is a pretty good metaphor for the US Christian Right, right down to both having the emotional maturity and intelligence of second-graders.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:48 pm

Utceforp wrote:I don't really know what else to say that hasn't already been said. This is dumb, the teacher is dumb, the other employee is dumb, and if they try to defend the teacher, the school is dumb. Also, the other classmate that A.B. talked to is a pretty good metaphor for the US Christian Right, right down to both having the emotional maturity and intelligence of second-graders.

What's more disturbing is that these kinds of people have political power in the U.S., and a large amount of people in the U.S. support their nonsense. The U.S. is the most powerful nation on the planet, so whatever these idiots do could effect the entire world.
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Do you have the response? I'd be interested to see how the school tries to present itself.
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Postby Palakistan » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:50 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Geilinor wrote:This is ridiculous. There is no requirement that students go to church.


It wasn't that he didn't go to church. It was that he upset the other child by telling her that he didn't go to church. Equally ridiculous, I know.

My thoughts exactly. And I'm a hardcore conservative Christian.
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