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Postby Crezilivion » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:31 pm

I couldn't find any threads about this except for the general abortion thread. This is slightly different though. Planned Parenthood has been accused of selling baby body parts recently and there's been a multitude of videos out about how someone posed as a buyer and then got some sort of Planned Parenthood official to say something seemingly incriminating.

This is an eight minute video of one of these undercover missions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw

So this isn't even about abortion, this is about selling body parts. Do you think that Planned Parenthood is actually haggling for some extra money? Is what they're doing illegal? Should what they're doing be illegal? Should Planned Parenthood lose their government funding? Do you think that there should be more restrictions or monitoring of their activity with their body parts? What about them changing their procedures so that they get body parts that are better for body part buyers? There's so many questions, what should be done about this, if anything?



In my opinion I think they are selling them, although I wouldn't bet money on it or anything. It just seems very suspicious for them to want to change their technique of extraction and then not be making any profit. If I were them I'd only change it if it made some sort of revenue for me is what I mean. Again, nothing has been proven yet but there seems to be a surge of protesting and some people wanting to defund Planned Parenthood entirely. I think the government should begin monitoring this a lot more heavily. It seems like if it is legal it is by some technicality, which I'm unsure if it should remain legal or not.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:34 pm

Selling body parts is not illegal. However, Planned Parenthood is not supposed to be turning a profit from it. If it has been, people are going to be fired. It's not really that big a deal.

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Postby UnitedRP » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:36 pm

Yeah, Fox News has been going crazy about it lately. MSNBC has also been running a couple shows on it, and CNN ran an article on it as well. Basically they're giving women abortions that aren't as safe as they could be so that they can save the vital organs - which they then sell, illegally. They ask the patient beforehand about it, but they aren't supposed to be doing this regardless. They could be sued a lot of money for putting patients under more danger than they had to be against the government's wishes.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:36 pm

This has long since been proven to be a bunch of false allegations, IIRC. They are giving some to science, that is not selling them or making a profit.
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Postby Anglo-French Republic » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:38 pm

Selling ones Body parts without consent is horrific,and that's exactly what private planned parenthood corporations do because all they care about is profit.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:39 pm

Anglo-French Republic wrote:Selling ones Body parts without consent is horrific,and that's exactly what private planned parenthood corporations do because all they care about is profit.

Except that little part where it is non-profit, of course.
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Postby UnitedRP » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:40 pm

Rhyfelnydd wrote:This has long since been proven to be a bunch of false allegations, IIRC. They are giving some to science, that is not selling them or making a profit.

Want to link to an article disproving this? They have employees on tape admitting to performing abortions in specific ways so as to sell the organs for $500 - $1000 each.
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Postby Alyakia » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:41 pm

Rhyfelnydd wrote:This has long since been proven to be a bunch of false allegations, IIRC. They are giving some to science, that is not selling them or making a profit.


i fucking smelled o'keefe the minute i opened the topic. imagine my surprise to find out that the person behind this is one of their associates. i am 100% this open opponent of abortion in general and associate of known liars will provide us with unedited unbiased footage regarding planned paretnhood, an organization which has received nothing but reasons criticism over the years.
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Postby Anglo-French Republic » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:42 pm

Rhyennflydd they admitted to selling them for Profit on Live Television.
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Postby Anglo-French Republic » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:43 pm

Rhyennflydd they admitted to selling them for Profit on Live Television.
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Postby UnitedRP » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:43 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:This has long since been proven to be a bunch of false allegations, IIRC. They are giving some to science, that is not selling them or making a profit.


i fucking smelled o'keefe the minute i opened the topic. imagine my surprise to find out that the person behind this is one of their associates. i am 100% this open opponent of abortion in general and associate of known liars will provide us with unedited unbiased footage regarding planned paretnhood, an organization which has received nothing but reasons criticism over the years.

It's already been established the the video is heavily edited to portray planned parenthood in a bad light. With that said, it's still damning evidence that the organization could be going directly against the law to save vital organs to sell.
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Postby Greater Istanistan » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:45 pm

Maybe if they weren't constantly trying to defend it, Planned Parenthood could trust its funding and not be forced to resort to illegal means.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:46 pm

Anglo-French Republic wrote:Rhyennflydd they admitted to selling them for Profit on Live Television.

Wow. Points for trying to spell it, I guess. And no, they haven't. They admit to donating some fetal parts to scientific organizations, and they are reimbursed for doing so.
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Postby UnitedRP » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:46 pm

Greater Istanistan wrote:Maybe if they weren't constantly trying to defend it, Planned Parenthood could trust its funding and not be forced to resort to illegal means.

The EPA gets its budget cut all the time. That doesn't mean it's okay for it to selectively kill and sell its own protected animals.
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Postby Mikeswill » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:49 pm

An injunction has been issued to halt the airing of these highly edited videos do to allegations of harassment and threats to Planned Parenthood employees.

Congress has determined that what monies Planned Parenthood has charged for the fetal tissues and organs have been prove to solely cover the costs of the exchange.

Whether one either believes or disbelieves the Congressional investigations tends to correlate to one's position on the abortion issue.

At the end of the day it is another example of the farthest right to sway politicians to their point of view to such a degree that nary a Republican candidate for the Presidency of the USA can have a semblance of centrist policy which better resembles the will of the American populous. As such they have become a cirrus almost ensuring another Democratic victory.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:51 pm

Mikeswill wrote:An injunction has been issued to halt the airing of these highly edited videos do to allegations of harassment and threats to Planned Parenthood employees.

Congress has determined that what monies Planned Parenthood has charged for the fetal tissues and organs have been prove to solely cover the costs of the exchange.

Whether one either believes or disbelieves the Congressional investigations tends to correlate to one's position on the abortion issue.

At the end of the day it is another example of the farthest right to sway politicians to their point of view to such a degree that nary a Republican candidate for the Presidency of the USA can have a semblance of centrist policy which better resembles the will of the American populous. As such they have become a cirrus almost ensuring another Democratic victory.

Unless if both Sanders and Trump compete. Then the latter will win.

Anyways, I think that Congress did the right thing right now. Hope Planned Parenthood doesn't go the way of ACORN.
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Postby UnitedRP » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:51 pm

Mikeswill wrote:An injunction has been issued to halt the airing of these highly edited videos do to allegations of harassment and threats to Planned Parenthood employees.

Congress has determined that what monies Planned Parenthood has charged for the fetal tissues and organs have been prove to solely cover the costs of the exchange.

Whether one either believes or disbelieves the Congressional investigations tends to correlate to one's position on the abortion issue.

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Congress hasn't investigated yet, they're only planning to.
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Postby Alyakia » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:54 pm

but seriously OP this is totally about abortion. they did not set up an organization to investigate medical ethics and just so happened to end up going after planned parenthood. if the right-wing has been shitting all over abortion and planned parenthood for years and suddenly an openly anit-abortion right-winger makes an attack on planned parenthood it's prooooooooobably about abortion. just sayin'.

e: cause they ain't doing this because they want to see safe and ethical abortions widely available
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:03 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Mikeswill wrote:An injunction has been issued to halt the airing of these highly edited videos do to allegations of harassment and threats to Planned Parenthood employees.

Congress has determined that what monies Planned Parenthood has charged for the fetal tissues and organs have been prove to solely cover the costs of the exchange.

Whether one either believes or disbelieves the Congressional investigations tends to correlate to one's position on the abortion issue.

At the end of the day it is another example of the farthest right to sway politicians to their point of view to such a degree that nary a Republican candidate for the Presidency of the USA can have a semblance of centrist policy which better resembles the will of the American populous. As such they have become a cirrus almost ensuring another Democratic victory.

Unless if both Sanders and Trump compete. Then the latter will win.

Anyways, I think that Congress did the right thing right now. Hope Planned Parenthood doesn't go the way of ACORN.

Actually someone posted a poll in the GOP Primary Thread that Sanders would beat Trump by 13% if the election was held more or less today.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:13 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Unless if both Sanders and Trump compete. Then the latter will win.

Anyways, I think that Congress did the right thing right now. Hope Planned Parenthood doesn't go the way of ACORN.

Actually someone posted a poll in the GOP Primary Thread that Sanders would beat Trump by 13% if the election was held more or less today.

Probably because Trump is outright unelectable.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:13 pm

the woman SAYS that they don't sell body parts. what more do you need?
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Postby Deanson » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:17 pm

From what I understand, the videos in question were edited in such a way to appear malicious. Aborted fetuses may be donated for research with the voluntary consent of the mothers, which is completely fine IMO and is actually a great idea. Even if they were selling fetus organs illegally without consent or something, which isn't really the case, Planned Parenthood provides far too much help and support for too many people to just shut it all down and forget about it.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:20 pm

Anglo-French Republic wrote:Just because I say a have a Pet Argentinosaurus clearly means i have one,Confessions are not relevant.

Total bullshit. Yours is clearly nonsense, while hers is actually a grounded topic and a respectable opinion. Besides, could not the same easily be said of your alleged claim that someone involved with PP confessed to doing these acts? Or is then confessions totally relevant?
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