Mens' Reproductive Rights

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Yes, yes, I know. Those of you who know me and my disdain for "mens' rights" types might be shocked to see this coming from me, but I genuinely feel that there is disregard for mens' reproductive rights and that needs to change. This isn't about paper abortions, this is about vasectomy.

I find it disturbing that young and childfree men who wish to be sterile have to jump through a thousand hoops or are completely unable to obtain a vasectomy. I am aware that although vasectomies are reversible, they should be considered permanent for all intents and purposes and that fertility decreases the longer one has it. I am also aware complications can arise which make the reversal unlikely to work. And overall, I find it really annoying that there is a general disregard for one's autonomy among doctors.

I should not have to be married, I should not have to have a child, and I should not have to pay a ridiculous amount to freeze my sperm. I am of sound mind and have a right to be sterile at the age of 23. Even if I were to regret it down the road, which won't happen, I still have the right to elect to a procedure which I may one day regret.

What say you, NSG? Should vasectomies be granted to anyone who asks or are the restrictions more often imposed by physicians than by actual law reasonable? Is there an ethical concern for sterilizing childfree men or should a man's right to his own body come first?

[Scyobayrynn]

The current methodology for vetting the self sterilization of men is perfect the way it is.
It treats an irreversible medical procedure effecting one for the rest of their life with gravity it deserves.

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The current methodology for vetting the self sterilization of men is perfect the way it is.
It treats an irreversible medical procedure effecting one for the rest of their life with gravity it deserves.

A tattoo is essentially as irreversible as a vasectomy and I've never been given "ethical concerns" from my artist.

[Ifreann]

Men need to jump through a thousand hoops to get a vasectomy?

[The Krogan]

Didn't seem like that big of a hassle when my dad got it.

Actually now that I think about it... I think my mom made him get it...

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Men need to jump through a thousand hoops to get a vasectomy?

If you're 50, married, 4 kids and a post-menopausal wife you'd spend less time on that than getting a cavity filled. If you're young and willingly childfree and don't want to pay to freeze your sperm, you might have to cross a few state borders to find someone who will do it.

[Edward Richtofen]

Men need to jump through a thousand hoops to get a vasectomy?

not unless you do it yourself
Though I learned firsthand from my father that performing medical procedures on yourself is excruciatingly painful regardless of how cold it is in Finland

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Men need to jump through a thousand hoops to get a vasectomy?

not unless you do it yourself
Though I learned firsthand from my father that performing medical procedures on yourself is excruciatingly painful regardless of how cold it is in Finland

Jesus Finnish people are fucking hardcore.

[Ostroeuropa]

Men need to jump through a thousand hoops to get a vasectomy?

In some areas, the spouses permission is required.

I agree that vasectomies should be made more available.
There is also not enough funding for viable male contraceptive pill research.

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Men need to jump through a thousand hoops to get a vasectomy?

In some areas, the spouses permission is required.

I agree that vasectomies should be made more available.
There is also not enough funding for viable male contraceptive pill research.

I think we've found something we agree on.

[Sun Wukong]

The current methodology for vetting the self sterilization of men is perfect the way it is.
It treats an irreversible medical procedure effecting one for the rest of their life with gravity it deserves.

A tattoo is essentially as irreversible as a vasectomy and I've never been given "ethical concerns" from my artist.

Most tattoo artists are not medical professionals, and are not held to medical ethics standards.

[Ostroeuropa]

In some areas, the spouses permission is required.

I agree that vasectomies should be made more available.
There is also not enough funding for viable male contraceptive pill research.

I think we've found something we agree on.

http://goodmenproject.com/newsroom/are- ... vasectomy/

The issue is not the law. The law is quite decent on it in most cases (In the anglosphere.)

The issue appears to be doctors and clinics taking it upon themselves to interfere with their clients rights.
I suppose an analogy would be a doctor refusing to perform an abortion until the woman had spend a few days in a nursery or something, though perhaps not quite as cruel.

A solution could be to get lawsuit happy, though this does place strains on the already ailing medical systems, nonetheless it should be a weapon kept in reserve and visible at all times.

Then you just need campaigns to tell doctors and clinics not to do this shit. If you have it phrased in a way as in "Saving your job bro/sis." it could work well.

"NOTICE: Denying or delaying access to vasectomies to patients could leave you liable for lawsuits."
Etc

[Ifreann]

Men need to jump through a thousand hoops to get a vasectomy?

If you're 50, married, 4 kids and a post-menopausal wife you'd spend less time on that than getting a cavity filled. If you're young and willingly childfree and don't want to pay to freeze your sperm, you might have to cross a few state borders to find someone who will do it.

So is it really an issue of men's reproductive rights at all? Sounds more like an issue of doctors being unwilling to perform this sort of procedure on young people. Would there be any fewer hoops for a young, childless woman to jump through if she wanted her tubes tied or something similarly irreversible/difficult to reverse? Or if a young person wanted something similarly irreversible/difficult to reverse done that had nothing to do with reproduction?

[The Serbian Empire]

I fear that men have no reproductive rights at all given language of the radical feminists.

[Ostroeuropa]

If you're 50, married, 4 kids and a post-menopausal wife you'd spend less time on that than getting a cavity filled. If you're young and willingly childfree and don't want to pay to freeze your sperm, you might have to cross a few state borders to find someone who will do it.

So is it really an issue of men's reproductive rights at all? Sounds more like an issue of doctors being unwilling to perform this sort of procedure on young people. Would there be any fewer hoops for a young, childless woman to jump through if she wanted her tubes tied or something similarly irreversible/difficult to reverse? Or if a young person wanted something similarly irreversible/difficult to reverse done that had nothing to do with reproduction?

It's a case of women having more options, whereas for men this is pretty much it. Compare it to the flat tax. We know that's shit for poor people, and the whole "It's equal" thing is a nonsense. So it goes here. Men have "Less" reproductive options, and so the crapness of the doctors effects them far more on this issue.
Though yes, women should not have to go through nonsense to get tubes tied either.

[Scyobayrynn]

The current methodology for vetting the self sterilization of men is perfect the way it is.
It treats an irreversible medical procedure effecting one for the rest of their life with gravity it deserves.

A tattoo is essentially as irreversible as a vasectomy and I've never been given "ethical concerns" from my artist.

No it isn't, it can be removed.
It also has a less profound potential effect.
I'm not sure why you put "ethical concerns" in quotes because I didn't say anything at all about ethics so you must be arguing with a poster I can't see.

[Edward Richtofen]

not unless you do it yourself
Though I learned firsthand from my father that performing medical procedures on yourself is excruciatingly painful regardless of how cold it is in Finland

Jesus Finnish people are fucking hardcore.

with nothing but his hands, a pickup truck and a pair of pliers he removed 4 pieces of buckshot lodged in his gut and one in his back that had almost paralyzed him for life. When he got home he stapled himself back together and drank his homemade 65% proof booze

[The Krogan]

Jesus Finnish people are fucking hardcore.

with nothing but his hands, a pickup truck and a pair of pliers he removed 4 pieces of buckshot lodged in his gut and one in his back that had almost paralyzed him for life. When he got home he stapled himself back together and drank his homemade 65% proof booze

He must be pure Krogan!

But in all seriousness that would suck.

[Scyobayrynn]

Men need to jump through a thousand hoops to get a vasectomy?

No.

[Ashmoria]

If you're 50, married, 4 kids and a post-menopausal wife you'd spend less time on that than getting a cavity filled. If you're young and willingly childfree and don't want to pay to freeze your sperm, you might have to cross a few state borders to find someone who will do it.

So is it really an issue of men's reproductive rights at all? Sounds more like an issue of doctors being unwilling to perform this sort of procedure on young people. Would there be any fewer hoops for a young, childless woman to jump through if she wanted her tubes tied or something similarly irreversible/difficult to reverse? Or if a young person wanted something similarly irreversible/difficult to reverse done that had nothing to do with reproduction?

im pretty sure they are reluctant to sterilize a young childless woman too. while I believe that it really ought to be up to the patient we americans are such a whiny people that I can see why doctors are reluctant to do it when it might come back on them later.

[The Blaatschapen]

I fear that men have no reproductive rights at all given language of the radical feminists.

Your fear is irritational. The radical feminists who claim that, are not currently in any political position to make such a thing happen.

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If you're 50, married, 4 kids and a post-menopausal wife you'd spend less time on that than getting a cavity filled. If you're young and willingly childfree and don't want to pay to freeze your sperm, you might have to cross a few state borders to find someone who will do it.

So is it really an issue of men's reproductive rights at all? Sounds more like an issue of doctors being unwilling to perform this sort of procedure on young people. Would there be any fewer hoops for a young, childless woman to jump through if she wanted her tubes tied or something similarly irreversible/difficult to reverse? Or if a young person wanted something similarly irreversible/difficult to reverse done that had nothing to do with reproduction?

No, I think women who want to be sterilized also have the right.

I am a libertarian. Bodily autonomy is sacred to me.

[Ostroeuropa]

A tattoo is essentially as irreversible as a vasectomy and I've never been given "ethical concerns" from my artist.

No it isn't, it can be removed.
It also has a less profound potential effect.
I'm not sure why you put "ethical concerns" in quotes because I didn't say anything at all about ethics so you must be arguing with a poster I can't see.

Do we see license given to doctors to dick around with abortion patients just in case they regret it later?
I thought it was agreed that that kind of thing was patronizing and infantilizing, and that people had a right to bodily autonomy.

By all means the doctor can sit down, MUST tell them the effects and potential side effects, and if they want to, finish with
"If you would like to take a day or two to think about this decision, that would be my advice."
That would be fine.
But when I say
"No thankyou doctor, I have considered it enough already. I want the proceedure."
That should be the end of it.

[Edward Richtofen]

I fear that men have no reproductive rights at all given language of the radical feminists.

*yawn* is it that time already?

[New Piscea]

Yes, yes, I know. Those of you who know me and my disdain for "mens' rights" types might be shocked to see this coming from me, but I genuinely feel that there is disregard for mens' reproductive rights and that needs to change. This isn't about paper abortions, this is about vasectomy.

I find it disturbing that young and childfree men who wish to be sterile have to jump through a thousand hoops or are completely unable to obtain a vasectomy. I am aware that although vasectomies are reversible, they should be considered permanent for all intents and purposes and that fertility decreases the longer one has it. I am also aware complications can arise which make the reversal unlikely to work. And overall, I find it really annoying that there is a general disregard for one's autonomy among doctors.

I should not have to be married, I should not have to have a child, and I should not have to pay a ridiculous amount to freeze my sperm. I am of sound mind and have a right to be sterile at the age of 23. Even if I were to regret it down the road, which won't happen, I still have the right to elect to a procedure which I may one day regret.

What say you, NSG? Should vasectomies be granted to anyone who asks or are the restrictions more often imposed by physicians than by actual law reasonable? Is there an ethical concern for sterilizing childfree men or should a man's right to his own body come first?

Yeah , you really dont understand mens rights .
A vasectomy is a form of surgery , that might not be able to be undone .
Currently there are safe pills and non surgical procedures that allow men to control their fertility , however these procedures and pills , have been stopped by womens groups.