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Swedish Democrats Organize Controversial Gay Pride Rally

Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:55 pm

Okay, so basically, the right-populist and anti immigration Swedish Democrats are planning a major gay pride parade in Stockholm. This really shouldn't be controversial, but there is a catch. That is, the Swedish Democrats will hold the parade in some muslim majority neighborhoods, homes to many refugees and recent immigrants who aren't too fond of homosexuality. As such, there is a controversy stirred by the left...

According to Haaretz;

Swedish nationalists are planning a gay 'pride' march through Muslim-majority districts in the country's capital, according to media reports and a dedicated Facebook page.

The march, called 'Pride Järva,' is scheduled to take place on July 29, and will pass through Tensta and Husby, majority-Muslim districts in Stockholm's north. (Järva is the name of an adjacent area.) Husby was the center of the 2013 Stockholm riots, which began in response to allegations of police brutality.

According to the event's Facebook page, the march will include public “kissing."

The organizer of the march, Jan Sjunnesson, is the former editor of the far-right Sweden Democrats' newspaper, the Samtiden. The Sweden Democrats are known for their anti-immigration policies, and came out strongly in support of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten when it published cartoons derogatively depicting the Prophet Mohammed in 2005.

'Expression of pure racism'



The scheduled march has been criticized as provocative and racist by those on the left, with angry comments appearing on the event's Facebook page. Two residents of the Jarva area, Noah Nord and Emelie Mårtensson, claim that 'Jarva Pride' “pits two oppressed groups against each other,” and have organized a counter-demonstration.

One person to defend the march is evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist Richard Dawkins, who slammed criticism of the event as emblematic of "the pathetic Left.



Now, I'm frustrated that the Swedish political establishment is viewing this as a "racist" and "provocative event." If anything, it really goes to show how hypocritical the Swedish left can be. After all, respecting gay rights is an integral part of Swedish values, and being from a neighborhood where this isn't respected shouldn't exempt you from seeing a gay pride parade, nor should it exempt you from refusals to integrate.

I'll be clear, and say that the immigrants and muslims in Sweden who decide to both respect Swedish values and their religious values should be commended to the fullest, as they are fully integrated into Swedish society. So, in case some accusations fly, I'm not ripping on muslims or any other group, since some in Sweden are integrated and upstanding, great citizens of Sweden. However, events that show immigrant communities about what Sweden is all about should be viewed with commendation, not condemnation.

Really, it's just madness that people are attacking this.
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Postby Dortmundia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:03 pm

Since muslims settles there voluntarly there should accept Swedish values like tolerance toward gays. It is hypocritical from the progressives to defend bigotry and primitivism of this stone-age muslims.

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Postby Risottia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:05 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Okay, so basically, the right-populist and anti immigration Swedish Democrats are planning a major gay pride parade in Stockholm. This really shouldn't be controversial, but there is a catch. That is, the Swedish Democrats will hold the parade in some muslim majority neighborhoods, homes to many refugees and recent immigrants who aren't too fond of homosexuality.


Looks like they're going for the Geert Wilders trolling style.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:05 pm

The Sweden Democrats can hold a rally wherever they want and no nonsense should stop them.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:06 pm

Risottia wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Okay, so basically, the right-populist and anti immigration Swedish Democrats are planning a major gay pride parade in Stockholm. This really shouldn't be controversial, but there is a catch. That is, the Swedish Democrats will hold the parade in some muslim majority neighborhoods, homes to many refugees and recent immigrants who aren't too fond of homosexuality.


Looks like they're going for the Geert Wilders trolling style.

Trolling homophobes shouldn't be allowed?
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:06 pm

Dortmundia wrote:Since muslims settles there voluntarly there should accept Swedish values like tolerance toward gays. It is hypocritical from the progressives to defend bigotry and primitivism of this stone-age muslims.


"Stone age muslims" is an unfair accusation. These people come from countries where homosexuality is not accepted, and are raised in a faith that generally frowns upon homosexuals. As I've said, that is no excuse when it comes to integration. I find it stunningly hypocritical that left wingers who are staunch supporters of LGBT rights find this rally "appalling." I'm of the opinion that any movement that raises awareness for ongoing LGBT issues should be accepted, not just those condoned by the left.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:07 pm

I don't see anything wrong with it. I, for one, quite like this. And it'll be quite fun to see how this unfolds. *Grabs popcorn*
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Postby Fremont Forest » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:07 pm

If I recall correctly, based on my limited knowledge of Swedish politics, the Swedish Democrats aren't exactly the biggest fans of the LGBT community either.

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Postby Alyakia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:07 pm

i was going to say good but now i'm conflicted. if an asshole does something good because they are an asshole with the specific intent of being an asshole, is it still good?
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Postby Planita » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:07 pm

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:08 pm

Fremont Forest wrote:If I recall correctly, based on my limited knowledge of Swedish politics, the Swedish Democrats aren't exactly the biggest fans of the LGBT community either.


Under their new leadership, they've seemingly moderated themselves quite a bit. Jimmie Åkesson took a major step by expelling all the fascists and radicals in the party, not for political gains, but merely out of principle.
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Postby Paleoconservative Traxsmuhs » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:08 pm

I'm so gay to hear that
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:09 pm

Fremont Forest wrote:If I recall correctly, based on my limited knowledge of Swedish politics, the Swedish Democrats aren't exactly the biggest fans of the LGBT community either.

They aren't. So, one can conclude that this is either
a: An attempt to bring gay issues to the forefront
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b: dicking with Muslims


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Postby Dortmundia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:09 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
"Stone age muslims" is an unfair accusation. These people come from countries where homosexuality is not accepted, and are raised in a faith that generally frowns upon homosexuals. As I've said, that is no excuse when it comes to integration. I find it stunningly hypocritical that left wingers who are staunch supporters of LGBT rights find this rally "appalling." I'm of the opinion that any movement that raises awareness for ongoing LGBT issues should be accepted, not just those condoned by the left.

If so than it is not our responsible to accept them. it is not the faulth of Europe if they are living in the Middle Ages, and we do not own them anything so we do not need to integrate them or tolerate their deviant behaviour. Homosexuals need to be protected from the Muslims and it can lead to an Charlie Hebdo 2.0.

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:10 pm

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Fremont Forest wrote:If I recall correctly, based on my limited knowledge of Swedish politics, the Swedish Democrats aren't exactly the biggest fans of the LGBT community either.

They aren't. So, one can conclude that this is either
a: An attempt to bring gay issues to the forefront
or
b: dicking with Muslims


Take a guess.


A.

The Swedish Democrats have stated their stance on LGBT issues. Hint, they support LGBT rights!
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Postby Vashtanaraada » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:10 pm

I hope they are denied access to these areas, they're asking for trouble.
It'd be a waste of police time and resources to protect them.

Not only that, I hope the Revolutionary Front continue to oppose them and be a fully working class, left-wing movement fighting fascist politics.
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Postby Tsaraine » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:10 pm

A good rule of thumb is that if Richard Dawkins supports someone, that person is being an asshole. The rule of thumb applies here; this is pretty much blatant trolling.

On the other hand, yes, acceptance of LGBT individuals is a key part of not being an asshole. So I'm ... conflicted. EVERYONE IS ASSHOLES FOREVER.

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Postby Risottia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:10 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Looks like they're going for the Geert Wilders trolling style.

Trolling homophobes shouldn't be allowed?

I would never imply that.

I'm more generally against trolling tout court.
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Postby Dortmundia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:10 pm

Fremont Forest wrote:If I recall correctly, based on my limited knowledge of Swedish politics, the Swedish Democrats aren't exactly the biggest fans of the LGBT community either.

You are wrong.

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:11 pm

Tsaraine wrote:A good rule of thumb is that if Richard Dawkins supports someone, that person is being an asshole. The rule of thumb applies here; this is pretty much blatant trolling.

On the other hand, yes, acceptance of LGBT individuals is a key part of not being an asshole. So I'm ... conflicted. EVERYONE IS ASSHOLES FOREVER.

Supporting individual rights is not being an asshole.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:11 pm

Vashtanaraada wrote:I hope they are denied access to these areas, they're asking for trouble.
It'd be a waste of police time and resources to protect them.

Not only that, I hope the Revolutionary Front continue to oppose them and be a fully working class, left-wing movement fighting fascist politics.


The Swedish Democrats are fascist? Plus, you figure that if a political movement seeks to raise awareness for LGBT issues in neighborhoods and ghettos that are openly hostile towards LGBT people, it's rather sensible to support it.
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Postby Vashtanaraada » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:11 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Merizoc wrote:They aren't. So, one can conclude that this is either
a: An attempt to bring gay issues to the forefront
or
b: dicking with Muslims


Take a guess.


A.

The Swedish Democrats have stated their stance on LGBT issues. Hint, they support LGBT rights!


Maybe so, but this might be sweet talk. The BNP do the same.

And besides, their grassroots membership will make up this rally, not the people at the top for sure. I'm sure they're definitely homophobic.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:11 pm

Tsaraine wrote:A good rule of thumb is that if Richard Dawkins supports someone, that person is being an asshole. The rule of thumb applies here; this is pretty much blatant trolling.

On the other hand, yes, acceptance of LGBT individuals is a key part of not being an asshole. So I'm ... conflicted. EVERYONE IS ASSHOLES FOREVER.

Pretty much my view of it.

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Postby Alyakia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:12 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Tsaraine wrote:A good rule of thumb is that if Richard Dawkins supports someone, that person is being an asshole. The rule of thumb applies here; this is pretty much blatant trolling.

On the other hand, yes, acceptance of LGBT individuals is a key part of not being an asshole. So I'm ... conflicted. EVERYONE IS ASSHOLES FOREVER.

Supporting individual rights is not being an asshole.


would you be surprised if i told that not only is being an asshole covered by individual rights but that sometimes people will exploit other things, like individual rights, to cover their real intentions (in this case being an asshole)
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