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Would you play this game?

Yes
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No
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Maybe a World War II game from the perspective of other Axis powers, like Japan, Romania, or Italy
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A New World War II FPS

Postby Sam Hyde » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:10 pm

Hear me out before you jump to conclusions.

I'm not a vidya gamer anymore, and I haven't been for many years, but I was really into Halo as a teenager. But I've been thinking about something. A World War II first-person shooter from a new perspective. That is to say, the perspective of the Germans. Now, World War II games from the perspective of the Germans already exist, but they are generally strategy games or a so watered down (like being from the point of view of a lowly Wehrmacht soldier with no political connotations), so the real shock of playing as a Nazi is diminished.

Generally speaking, any video games that feature the Nazis as playable characters try to avoid as much personal connection to the characters and the faction as possible, so as not to appear pro-Nazi. This is why there are hardly any first-person shooters from the German perspective, and furthermore, in the few instances in which a German is the protagonist, it is always made clear that they don't agree with the Nazi cause are really just following orders or just fight because they were drafted.

So here's my idea. A World War II first-person shooter from the point of view of a Nazi (I'm thinking either high-ranking Wehrmacht or some SS commando) that is unapologetic about the fact that the protagonist is, indeed, a Nazi. Now, the point here isn't to glorify or justify the Nazis, but rather to acknowledge that yes, this German soldier is a Nazi and that is part of his character, and he isn't going to be whitewashed by being portrayed as "simply following orders", because the reality is that at the time, the German people were incredibly loyal to the Nazi cause. This game isn't going to justify or condone Nazism, but it isn't going to make excuses for it either. It's just going to show what is.

Now this brings up the big white elephant in the room and what makes these types of ideas so controversial: Nazi racial policy. Obviously, this game can't include concentration camps or levels where the protagonist helps clear out a ghetto of Jews. However, for this game to make no reference to Nazi racial policy whatsoever would reduce a lot of the shock value that would make this game truly unique. And indeed, if the protagonist is an actual Nazi, then surely some of sort of reference to these policies would be manifested in his character, although indirectly.

Another big thing I think this game should include would be a way for the player to humanize and sympathize with the protagonist. Now, since this probably can't be done by trying to justify Nazism, it will have to be done through the vilification of the enemy faction, that is to say, make the player hate the Allied powers. Perhaps the protagonist will have some sort of personal connection to an Allied war crime? This can be done for both the Soviets and Western Allies.

All in all, this game would be hugely controversial and be a massive culture shock to Westerners. However, I think that if this game is made well, with exception game mechanics, breathtaking graphics, and a good story line, the controversy and culture shock would help make this game be massively popular. Everyone likes new ideas, and they will buy this game because its something that's never been done and because it is such an affront to their cultural sensibilities.

This also opens new possibilities. If we're gonna do the Nazis, then Imperial Japan is next.
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:15 pm

Nah, lets not whitewash Nazi Germany's crimes just because you really want to be an SS officer in a video game.

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Postby Sam Hyde » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:17 pm

Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:Nah, lets not whitewash Nazi Germany's crimes just because you really want to be an SS officer in a video game.


I specifically covered that issue. This game would be unapologetic about what happened.

And Call of Duty and Medal of Honor have been whitewashing Western war crimes for years.
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Redsection wrote:Idk if your an racist , but you are funny in an weird way.
WCJNSTBH wrote:Sam Hyde is the least racist motherfucker in this thread.
Confederate Ramenia wrote:This is when he showed the world that he was based; that he was not a cuck; that he is not a degenerate. This will be a crucial moment and I want to preserve this.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:17 pm

what is the point of this? most people don't want to play unapologetic nazis so they don't do that. but you want to do it for shock value? it would be interesting at first but it would get old real fast.
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Postby Indhir » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:22 pm

Alyakia wrote:what is the point of this? most people don't want to play unapologetic nazis so they don't do that. but you want to do it for shock value? it would be interesting at first but it would get old real fast.

Like GTA, Call of Duty and hey every single other major fame franchise.
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Postby Sam Hyde » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:23 pm

Alyakia wrote:what is the point of this? most people don't want to play unapologetic nazis so they don't do that. but you want to do it for shock value? it would be interesting at first but it would get old real fast.


People play Grand Theft Auto, so clearly nobody has an issue when it comes to playing as murderers, gang members, arms traffickers, thieves, and drug dealers. Why would playing as a Nazi be any different?
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Redsection wrote:Idk if your an racist , but you are funny in an weird way.
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Postby Mirakai » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:30 pm

Alyakia wrote:what is the point of this? most people don't want to play unapologetic nazis so they don't do that. but you want to do it for shock value? it would be interesting at first but it would get old real fast.

Hatred tried this.

Hatred was terrible. It was hailed as a spree-killer simulator full of extremely gory scenes.

In actuality, it was a boring twin-stick shooter
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Postby Mirakai » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:33 pm

Sam Hyde wrote:
Alyakia wrote:what is the point of this? most people don't want to play unapologetic nazis so they don't do that. but you want to do it for shock value? it would be interesting at first but it would get old real fast.


People play Grand Theft Auto, so clearly nobody has an issue when it comes to playing as murderers, gang members, arms traffickers, thieves, and drug dealers. Why would playing as a Nazi be any different?

Because murderers, gang members, arms traffickers, thieves, and drug dealers didn't commit a genocide and then draw the world into the biggest war it has ever seen, ending with the detonation of the only 2 nuclear weapons to ever be used in warfare
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:48 pm

I would buy the game.

It sounds very interesting.

I can imagine a level progression. If you want the game should start in North Africa. The character establishes himself as a German patriot and a war hero before getting injured by the British and the Americans. Then he gets transferred to France and Italy for the harder missions. Eventually, he's assigned to the east where he sacrifices himself in the defense of the capital against the Soviets.

Unlike Call of Duty, the game can be completely realistic (and very difficult). If you get hit by anything, you're almost instantly dead.

There would be missions in land, air, and sea. Actually, the German should only join the military because his father was killed by a British bomb over Berlin following the Battle of Britain. The intro of the game can show the destruction of his entire house by a bomb dropped by an Allied bomber.

Narrator's voice: ''My life was forever changed...''
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Postby New Reutlingen » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:01 pm

Even if this game did condem National Socialists and Hitler, I'd probably still play it for the historical aspect.

Hopefully this comparison makes sense: An atheist man who plays a game with angels should not get upset simply because it goes against what he stands for, especially when the game has no agenda.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:57 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:Even if this game did condem National Socialists and Hitler, I'd probably still play it for the historical aspect.

Hopefully this comparison makes sense: An atheist man who plays a game with angels should not get upset simply because it goes against what he stands for, especially when the game has no agenda.


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Postby Neo Philippine Empire » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:00 pm

You can play as Japs and Germans in Bf 1942 and 1943
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Postby Sam Hyde » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:30 pm

Mirakai wrote:
Sam Hyde wrote:
People play Grand Theft Auto, so clearly nobody has an issue when it comes to playing as murderers, gang members, arms traffickers, thieves, and drug dealers. Why would playing as a Nazi be any different?

Because murderers, gang members, arms traffickers, thieves, and drug dealers didn't commit a genocide and then draw the world into the biggest war it has ever seen, ending with the detonation of the only 2 nuclear weapons to ever be used in warfare


Napoleonic France and the Soviet Union did arguably similar things in terms of destruction and starting wars. Playing as them is not controversial. Killing hookers in Grand Theft Auto is not controversial.

But god forbid someone wants to experience the other side of World War II through an artistic medium.
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WCJNSTBH wrote:Sam Hyde is the least racist motherfucker in this thread.
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Postby Sam Hyde » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:32 pm

Neo Philippine Empire wrote:You can play as Japs and Germans in Bf 1942 and 1943


Games that generally do feature playable Nazis either:

-Are strategy games
-Factions in multiplayer mode
-The Nazis are depicted as "one of the few good Germans who were just following orders and not actually committed to the cause"

None of these really capture the experience of playing as a soldier of the Third Reich, and the last one is just fucking whitewashing.
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Redsection wrote:Idk if your an racist , but you are funny in an weird way.
WCJNSTBH wrote:Sam Hyde is the least racist motherfucker in this thread.
Confederate Ramenia wrote:This is when he showed the world that he was based; that he was not a cuck; that he is not a degenerate. This will be a crucial moment and I want to preserve this.
Byzantium Imperial wrote:You sir are a legend

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Postby The Untied Federation of Russia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:41 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would buy the game.

It sounds very interesting.

I can imagine a level progression. If you want the game should start in North Africa. The character establishes himself as a German patriot and a war hero before getting injured by the British and the Americans. Then he gets transferred to France and Italy for the harder missions. Eventually, he's assigned to the east where he sacrifices himself in the defense of the capital against the Soviets.

Unlike Call of Duty, the game can be completely realistic (and very difficult). If you get hit by anything, you're almost instantly dead.

There would be missions in land, air, and sea. Actually, the German should only join the military because his father was killed by a British bomb over Berlin following the Battle of Britain. The intro of the game can show the destruction of his entire house by a bomb dropped by an Allied bomber.

Narrator's voice: ''My life was forever changed...''


I really like that idea except for getting instantly killed by one bullet.
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Postby Sam Hyde » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:43 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would buy the game.

It sounds very interesting.

I can imagine a level progression. If you want the game should start in North Africa. The character establishes himself as a German patriot and a war hero before getting injured by the British and the Americans. Then he gets transferred to France and Italy for the harder missions. Eventually, he's assigned to the east where he sacrifices himself in the defense of the capital against the Soviets.

Unlike Call of Duty, the game can be completely realistic (and very difficult). If you get hit by anything, you're almost instantly dead.

There would be missions in land, air, and sea. Actually, the German should only join the military because his father was killed by a British bomb over Berlin following the Battle of Britain. The intro of the game can show the destruction of his entire house by a bomb dropped by an Allied bomber.

Narrator's voice: ''My life was forever changed...''


And then over the course of the game, you as the player really grow to hate the Allies after witnessing things like civilian bombings and all the shit the Soviets did.
What the critics are saying:
Redsection wrote:Idk if your an racist , but you are funny in an weird way.
WCJNSTBH wrote:Sam Hyde is the least racist motherfucker in this thread.
Confederate Ramenia wrote:This is when he showed the world that he was based; that he was not a cuck; that he is not a degenerate. This will be a crucial moment and I want to preserve this.
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Postby Neo Philippine Empire » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:37 pm

Games that generally do feature playable Nazis either:

-Are strategy games
*Hearts of Iron II, III, IV
*Company of Heroes II
*Men of War
*Empire: Dawn of the Modern World
*Victoria II
-Factions in multiplayer mode
wut?
-The Nazis are depicted as "one of the few good Germans who were just following orders and not actually committed to the cause"
there are tons of propaganda depicting the Germans having hearts of iron and follows order stereotype, will never happen to play that ideal game of yours sadly :(
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Postby Rhineria » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:01 am

Hey, has anyone ever heard of Heroes & Generals?
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Postby Kalmarium » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:14 pm

I don't see the issue of playing as a German soldier, so long as you don't partake in activities with the camps or the SS Death Squads out in Russia. Really, anything other than the generic American super-soldier-commando-SEALS-SecOps-One-Man-Army would be fine.
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Postby Neo Philippine Empire » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:43 am

Rhineria wrote:Hey, has anyone ever heard of Heroes & Generals?

I have it on steam but laptop can't handle the game
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:44 pm

Kalmarium wrote:I don't see the issue of playing as a German soldier, so long as you don't partake in activities with the camps or the SS Death Squads out in Russia. Really, anything other than the generic American super-soldier-commando-SEALS-SecOps-One-Man-Army would be fine.

Yeah, taking part in atrocities as part of gameplay would be a bit too much.

As far as why they don't make games like this, I'd imagine that you'd have some legal issues trying to market it in Europe.
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Postby Kalmarium » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:06 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Kalmarium wrote:I don't see the issue of playing as a German soldier, so long as you don't partake in activities with the camps or the SS Death Squads out in Russia. Really, anything other than the generic American super-soldier-commando-SEALS-SecOps-One-Man-Army would be fine.

Yeah, taking part in atrocities as part of gameplay would be a bit too much.

As far as why they don't make games like this, I'd imagine that you'd have some legal issues trying to market it in Europe.

An aircraft game from a Luftwaffe ace perspective would be neat and easy to get around the political implications of it being from a German perspective, but it doesn't fit the OP's suggestion.
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Postby Neo Philippine Empire » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:55 am

Kalmarium wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Yeah, taking part in atrocities as part of gameplay would be a bit too much.

As far as why they don't make games like this, I'd imagine that you'd have some legal issues trying to market it in Europe.

An aircraft game from a Luftwaffe ace perspective would be neat and easy to get around the political implications of it being from a German perspective, but it doesn't fit the OP's suggestion.

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Postby TotallyNotEvilLand » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:47 pm

Neo Philippine Empire wrote:
Kalmarium wrote:An aircraft game from a Luftwaffe ace perspective would be neat and easy to get around the political implications of it being from a German perspective, but it doesn't fit the OP's suggestion.

War Thunder

That's a multiplayer game with no actual storyline. This entire thread is about a single player game with an actual storyline.

Don't know how that's so hard to comprehend.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:48 pm

Sam Hyde wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would buy the game.

It sounds very interesting.

I can imagine a level progression. If you want the game should start in North Africa. The character establishes himself as a German patriot and a war hero before getting injured by the British and the Americans. Then he gets transferred to France and Italy for the harder missions. Eventually, he's assigned to the east where he sacrifices himself in the defense of the capital against the Soviets.

Unlike Call of Duty, the game can be completely realistic (and very difficult). If you get hit by anything, you're almost instantly dead.

There would be missions in land, air, and sea. Actually, the German should only join the military because his father was killed by a British bomb over Berlin following the Battle of Britain. The intro of the game can show the destruction of his entire house by a bomb dropped by an Allied bomber.

Narrator's voice: ''My life was forever changed...''


And then over the course of the game, you as the player really grow to hate the Allies after witnessing things like civilian bombings and all the shit the Soviets did.


there should also be a system of unlockable awards and badges based on the actual World War II German military ranks
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